Should people living in sin be rejected from the church

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The original question: "should people living in sin be rejected from the church"?
The answer lies in WHICH sinners you are referring to. There are two categories of sinners that attend church. There are the unsaved sinners that attend your church that are seeking God but have not yet accepted Christ as their savior. These folks are still in their sins and are not members of the body of Christ. They are simply visitors who the church has no authority over. These folks cannot be held accountable for their sins by any authority of the church because they still belong to the world and not the church. They are neither repentant of their sins nor do they seek to be. These folks, even though they may be in church every Sunday are considered to be outside the church because they are not members and therefore not under the authority of the church.
^^This is what the OP was about^^. At least some people are getting that.
 
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^^This is what the OP was about^^. At least some people are getting that.

Yep, and?

No go check all your posts and be sure you didn't sway from that OP even once, then cast your stones..

My guess is you have a "do as I say. not as I do" thing going on here.
 
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Seem constantly calling posts irrelevant is your way of dodging content.

Duly noted.

No idea what you mean with the "deed" comment.
"Deed" - you accuse me of ignorance. Here is the post I was referring to:

"Besides, I already rested my case with this:


It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father’s wife. You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst. (1 Corinthians 5:1-2 NASB)"

The underlined referred to one specific deed - "the one" who did "this deed" - sleeping with his father's wife. Yet you said it didn't apply to just this. Huh. I'll stick with the Bible, not what you think it says.
 
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Yep, and?

No go check all your posts and be sure you didn't sway from that OP even once, then cast your stones..

My guess is you have a "do as I say. not as I do" thing going on here.
I have been consistent throughout this thread. You are free to provide evidence otherwise, or retract your false accusation.
 
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Well, in all my life, for one to say, "I attend such-and-such church" has always implied membership, not just a casual visit.
And in my life, I have personally attended a church for a period of time without joining or considering myself a member. The ones I have attended have membership classes or a process to become a member. Some of those requirements included confessing Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, repenting of sins, being baptized, etc.

But that's not what the OP was talking about, and has clarified that on numerous occasions.
 
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There is not one person in any church that is any better than anyone else. We have all fallen short of God's glory and continue to do so.
Our best works are as filthy rags before God. We come to church to glorify Him and grow. Some are stronger in faith than others and they need to help the weaker ones along.

Thanks for being the first to reference scripture! Seems Paul's letter talk a lot about this :)
 
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I was in a discussion today and was shocked to hear that some people think that people who are living in sin should not be allowed to attend their church.
Back to the OP,
did you ever then look up and read in God's Word where He says to do that ?
If so, does God's Word to do this still shock you ?
 
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I believe the waters get muddied because the 'church' was not meant for unbelievers. Believer's meaning to be those who have the Holy Spirit in them and live to follow the Lord in love and obedience to His ways. So, when you try to treat those who do not have this - it is wrong. They are sinners and need to be told the way of salvation. The body of Christ is NOT to put up with those in the fellowship who continue to live sinful lifestyles after taking the steps that are biblically instituted for such. There is much confusion in today's fellowships - and sadly the catering is to unbelievers - and this is not how we are taught according to scripture. The gathering, or assembling together is for our edification, encouragement and exhortation - as a body of bible believing Christ following people.

Maybe that is why the modern churches came up to "membership"...
 
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Proverbs 19:1 (ESV) - Better is a poor person - Blue Letter Bible
Proverbs 19:1 (ESV)
Proverbs 19 - Better is a poor person who walks in his integrity than one who is crooked in speech and is a fool.

There is not one person in any church that is any better than anyone else. We have all fallen short of God's glory and continue to do so.
Our best works are as filthy rags before God. We come to church to glorify Him and grow. Some are stronger in faith than others and they need to help the weaker ones along.

Thanks for being the first to reference scripture! Seems Paul's letter talk a lot about this
 
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Sorry, but there aren't different levels of sin, it's the same force that drives one person to lie, cheat or steal that drives another to rape and murder.
Look, you are welcome to believe whatever you want. What I am saying is, that the Hebrew language very clearly shows perhaps not three "levels," maybe that wasn't the best word, but 3 different concepts that in English we tend to consider as one concept, sin. Now, your reply reveals that you didn't understand my point or didn't really give it a chance. If "chata'ah" is unintentional, then murder can't be chata'ah because there IS intent with murder.

If you are in an argument with a man and it gets heated and you push him. If he then falls, hits his head and dies... you did not murder him, but the act is still sin because you ceased (at least for a moment) reflecting the character of the Lord and took a life in the process. Perhaps you might go and read where I defined the three words we tend to view as sin? It should take all of 2-3 minutes and will reveal as aspect of the language that we don't generally teach in the church but that DOES effect context.

Should people living in sin be rejected from the church
 
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"Deed" - you accuse me of ignorance. Here is the post I was referring to:

And I was supposed to know that...how? when what you quoted was not that. Dude, that's on you. You are now getting a bit dishonest.

I have been consistent throughout this thread. You are free to provide evidence otherwise, or retract your false accusation.

Consistently crying irrelevant, just as I said. Not sure what you mean there, you completely jumped off the subject of my post. Retract the accusation you have cried irrelevant more than once here? Why? Was that not a fact.

Unbelievable.
 
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If the one that said such things would have worn trousers, any make up, had hairdye, a perm, any hairdoe except a tight bun, high heels, listened to radio She would have been a big sinner 70 years ago in my moms church. Slander and gluttony was ok though.

None of those things were mentioned in Scripture:
wearing pants, hair color, make up, buns or heels.

But the things mentioned in the OP ARE addressed
in the Bible.
And saying so doesn't make one a hypocrite,
 
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And I was supposed to know that...how? when what you quoted was not that. Dude, that's on you. You are now getting a bit dishonest.



Consistently crying irrelevant, just as I said. Not sure what you mean there, you completely jumped off the subject of my post. Retract the accusation you have cried irrelevant more than once here? Why? Was that not a fact.

Unbelievable.
The copy/paste did not do well. These are the actual quotes regarding "the deed":
Should people living in sin be rejected from the church
Should people living in sin be rejected from the church

As you can see, you accuse me of being ignorant. I have shown that is not the case.

Being off topic to the OP and constructing a strawman is somehow relevant? OK, believe what you wish, but you have been constantly advocating a position that was not in the OP. It wasn't I that "completely jumped off the subject".

It's sad that you have to resort to personal insults ("ignorant", "cried", "dishonest") and cannot admit you are talking about something different that I and the OP were.
 
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Truth without love is no truth at all.
Actually, although that SOUNDS lovely, it's not true.
It's "true" that man sins.
where's the love in that?
Yet it's still 'truth'.
OTOH, there's no LOVE, in lies.
Pope, he being lying (in the news) today :(
 
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The copy/paste did not do well. These are the actual quotes regarding "the deed":
Should people living in sin be rejected from the church
Should people living in sin be rejected from the church

As you can see, you accuse me of being ignorant. I have shown that is not the case.

Being off topic to the OP and constructing a strawman is somehow relevant? OK, believe what you wish, but you have been constantly advocating a position that was not in the OP. It wasn't I that "completely jumped off the subject".

It's sad that you have to resort to personal insults ("ignorant", "cried", "dishonest") and cannot admit you are talking about something different that I and the OP were.

Na' you are clearly making something from nothing. Not one of those are name calling.

"Ignorant", means no more than you aren't aware of something, something all of us are at one time or another. "Ignoramus" would have been a name.

"Cried" simply means you protested. Cry baby would have been a name.

"dishonest" is what you were there, a fact, if it's insulting for others to say what they saw you do, then don't do it, but shifting the blame isn't going to help matters. "Dishonest #$%T$#" would have been a name.

But you will see what you want to be there regardless, if it's to your advantage, because you need the advantage...understand what's happening here now?

See, in reality, you know you have no leg to stand on here so you start this mess. Go ahead and make whatever you wish out of whatever you wish, but leave me out of your desperation to be right, when wrong, that's something you need to deal with on your own now that you know what's up..
 
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Well my mom was an evangelist and married a divorced man, who became my father. They did not kick them out but since they were married they were one year denied communion. My dads wife left Him and wanted a divorce and later He found mom. Ever since that particular church has looked upon us kids as bastard christians.
You're going to get some groups who lie and say it's all good to go with your lusts.
other groups who condemn all who aren't like them.
Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom!
 
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