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Suddenly everyone is attacking me. No, I did not come here with a hidden agenda, my question is sincere and genuine. Over 156 pages of going back and forth changed my view from eternal security for genuine bona fide believers, who by definition will persevere in their faith and who will walk in general holiness from the time of conversion to the view that someone can believe (i.e. have mental assent to the tenets and doctrines of the gospel) and later fall away. Scriptures that came up were Luke 8:13 (a valid scripture that does indeed speak of believers FALLING AWAY), James 5:9 (kjv) and James 5:12 (kjv) (scriptures addressed to BRETHREN that also speak of possible CONDEMNATION), and Hebrews 10:39 (a scripture which speaks of the believer drawing back UNTO PERDITION). There were more scriptures involved in the discussion; but these were the primary ones speaking of the fact that a believer can lose salvation.I know no more than is written.
The Luke 8 passage does not address the things you are wrestling with.
I suggest you find other passages to explain your belief in loss of salvation - which, it seems to me, is the doctrinal agenda you are trying to foster here in a round about way.
I.e. - you have no question. You just want to push your held belief.
Read the passage where it says certain people received the word with joy. I didn't write it.
You are the one adding to what it says in saying that it is "not a saving faith".
The passage simply does not address loss of salvation. Find other passages to support your agenda.
I have no idea what you mean by "tasting" the words fall away.
I don't care what kind of picture you have in your mind. I only know what the passage says and what it does not say.
It does not address the eternal security of believers or the supposed possibility that they may come again into condemnation after believing and passing from death to life.
Other passages do that quite clearly.
I simply won't try to defend my belief that I was chosen by God before the foundation of the world, drawn by the Father in time, came to the Son when drawn who will lose none of whom the Father has given Him, was sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, was raised with Christ and am even now seated with Him in glory and ruling in the Kingdom of God through Him by faith, have eternal life, have an advocate before God, have the Holy Spirit praying for me, have ministering angel all around me, and have a new home being prepared for me when the Lord comes for me in glory ----- by arguing from a passage which does not address those promises or God's supposed willingness to break them in the first place.
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