Should people living in sin be rejected from the church

[Grip Docility]

I like the way you think. That might be a scary idea, if you know how I think. Here's an example...

The thought is mutual...

Erm... are we aloud to be logical? Should we use honesty, intellect and Spiritual truth to understand the world around us?!?

Isn’t there a punishment for that?

 

[Grip Docility]

I see, are those your pet verses ?

I darn sure know they are crossed out of your Bible and are non exsistant verses to you.

But... sure... they team up with ALL scripture to make a nice Lion... but I’m HIS (John 5:39) pet... and I wag my tail and jump for joy at HIS name...

 

[Grip Docility]

Of course the problem originates there, but what is the problem, committing sin. What we do, say, think, all of it, if it is against what is defined in scripture, it is sin. So, we are all depraved,rotten to the core. How are you going to address your sin nature ? What does Scripture tell you to do ?

Ephesians 2:8-9

Another Pet of mine...

Romans 4 and really Genesis - Revelation make a really awesome Lion of Judah!

 

[Clint Edwards]

I darn sure know they are crossed out of your Bible and are non exsistant verses to you.

But... sure... they team up with ALL scripture to make a nice Lion... but I’m HIS (John 5:39) pet... and I wag my tail and jump for joy at HIS name...

You are sure sure of a lot of things about others, aren´t you ? Amazing how God has given you this ability, the insight, the arrogant surety of always being right, you are a real spiritual legend, in your own mind. I suspect you wouldn´t know disciplined proper exegesis if it bit you in your mangy tail. He talked about those who were convinced they were His, and weren´t. Be careful

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

'mockers' opposed to God's Word. They aren't careful.

 

[Grip Docility]

You are sure sure of a lot of things about others, aren´t you ? Amazing how God has given you this ability, the insight, the arrogant surety of always being right, you are a real spiritual legend, in your own mind. I suspect you wouldn´t know disciplined proper exegesis if it bit you in your mangy tail. He talked about those who were convinced they were His, and weren´t. Be careful

John 6:63-66

I know the type...

And you’re darn tooten I’m mangy... but He Loves me all the more!!!

Exegesis?

Hmmmm... Apoligetics???



And yet ya managed to completely ignore the verses I threw your way that were in direct relation to our discussion and the verses you used.

Matthew 23 is a good place to start the exegesis.

All Love to you! I’m holding my mangy paw up Lassie style...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

When the unrepentent sinner was purged in Corinth,
after a short time
********************* HE REPENTED !
which
is the whole point of putting out the wicked one from the assembly according to God's Word - they're REPENTANCE ....

THEN, AFTER he repented, the Ekklesia were told by Paul to welcome him back in.

Not until he repented .

God's Way Works.

Ignoring God's Way Fails.

 

[Grip Docility]

'mockers' opposed to God's Word. They aren't careful.

Hmmmm... God flat out unified Himself to us in literal Miraculous union and then walked with sinners that the self righteous despised...

He was called a drunk and a glutton, got His feet wiped by a sinful woman’s hair and tears and died for people that condemned Him and failed Him...

Saved a women caught in the smoking act of adultery...

Suddenly... People want to water down the depth of His compassion and grace and act like the teachers of the Law and high members of the Sanhedrin that spat in His face...

And ya think I’m going to be a Georgia Peach?

I see it as mocking HIM when people shun the people HE died for... (1 John 2:2)

 

[Grip Docility]

When the unrepentent sinner was purged in Corinth,
after a short time
********************* HE REPENTED !
which
is the whole point of putting out the wicked one from the assembly according to God's Word - they're REPENTANCE ....

THEN, AFTER he repented, the Ekklesia were told by Paul to welcome him back in.

Not until he repented .

God's Way Works.

Ignoring God's Way Fails.

I agree that ignoring God’s way (1 Corinthians 13) fails.

Another pet...

You managed to pull that out of a place where much more was said by the same guy that wrote... Romans 2:1 ...

You’re still ignoring 2 Corinthians 2:11 in direct context...

It was Forgivness that was key to the situation and pride that brought about the action from Paul.

The church was puffed up and Paul pointed it that it had sin within it... then tested the church...

Exegete 1 Corinthians 5 and 2 Corinthians 2 and you’ll see it... or not...

That stone thinking is awful “blinding”...

 

[Inkfingers]

As it has been said, the Church is to be a hospital for the sick (sinners), not a country club for saints.

It is both a hospital for repentant sinners, and a country club for saints.

But how we deal with unrepentant sinners is important....

That is covered in such passages as Matthew 18:15-17 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 and 2 Corinthians 6:14-17.

 

[Grip Docility]

Stop sinning, or end up worse than before. Remember who said this ,
it applies now, today.

So you “have no sin?”

 

[Inkfingers]

So you “have no sin?”

When Jesus told two people not to sin, was he misleading them?
John 5:14 John 8:11

When John says that no sin is found in the saved, is he lying?
1 John 3:6 1 John 3:9

 

[BigDaddy4]

Of course, there were no Christian synagogues at the time of Christ. Where did I indicate otherwise?

You mistook what I'd written and now seem to be obfuscating that fact. My comment stands, regardless. The Gospel is the responsibility of every believer to share in their everday living. As I said, Jesus and his disciples went into all the World preaching the Good News; they didn't make the lost come to them. The Sunday morning worship services ought not to be for the lost.

If the synagogues are not Christian, or at least deny Christ, then those that worship there are part of the lost, are they not? Jesus taught and preached wherever he was led by his Father through the Spirit. Jesus didn't organize any Sunday morning services, so I don't know how you can make that claim. Nor did any of the Apostles.

At this point, I'm going to bow out of this discussion of your distorted view of church services. I pray that I never run into one that is an exclusive "members only" club and does not welcome visitors to their services.

 

[dude99]

Kicking them out is the warning if they remain unrepentant. Leadership position...smh

They should not be kicked out from church, unless they are in leadership positions and are proven to be false teachers. However those that live in sin, should still be welcomed to church and even to bible study groups. Plus it is important for believers in the church to reach out to them. However believers should not be equally yoked with unbelievers.

 

[Philip_B]

Father, forgive us, as we forgive

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I pray that I never run into one that is an exclusive "members only" club and does not welcome visitors to their services.

You do know heaven is VERY exclusive, right ?

No perverts, no thiefs, no gossips, no one greedy, no idolators, no one who serves other gods..... not one of those nor many others as written in God's Word...

 

[BigDaddy4]

Are you assuming they are not members? And not sure I assumed they were or not, but, as I say there are different situations that need to be dealt with differently, so I did mention members, but it doesn't "necessarily" matter if they are members or not.



Then you are saying God should be the one to put them out of the church?
Since that was the subject, I'm assuming so, so how would God do that, maybe through the church members?

Again, the OP only mentioned church attenders, so that's all I am going off of. Adding in members is creating a strawman that isn't there. No where is it written in Scripture that one much be saved to attend church. Think about the repercussions - many of those who are the "lost" that we as Christians are supposed to reach are not welcome in our church services??? Where is God's grace in that?? A church without God's grace is a church without God, IMO.

Yes, God will do the sorting, through the preaching of his word. Whether its a gay/lesbian lifestyle, an unwed man and woman living together and/or having sex, a criminal, etc., when the kingdom of God is preached to them, God, through the Holy Spirit, will personally convict them to repentance according to His will. Those that don't repent either aren't ready but are still searching, or will likely leave on their own accord. But our job is still to take the Gospel to all the lost, not exclude them.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You know 'Church' and Ekklesia don't mean the same thing in most places, right?

 

[BigDaddy4]

You do know heaven is VERY exclusive, right ?

No perverts, no thiefs, no gossips, no one greedy, no idolators, no one who serves other gods..... not one of those nor many others as written in God's Word...

Irrelevant. More relevant - Jesus hung out with these "lost" types to preach the kingdom so that they may be saved. That is our work on earth. Closing our doors does not support that mission statement.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Again, the OP only mentioned church attenders, so that's all I am going off of. Adding in members is creating a strawman that isn't there.

LOL, probably a good idea to cover all realistic members of a church in the discussion. Are you saying church members aren't there, much less not a part of the equation?

No where is it written in Scripture that one much be saved to attend church.

None of this is written verbatim anywhere in scripture, hence the OP bringing up the discussion.

Where is God's grace in that?? A church without God's grace is a church without God, IMO.

As I mentioned, the bible says not to even eat with those who have chosen to live in sin, and I have little doubt you would say/basically are saying any church who abides by that is "a Church without Gods grace".

So on that note, and considering your other answers, think I'll leave it at that.