SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT FULFILLED IN THE NEW? COL 2

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18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Gal 5 How can this verse possibly mean the Holy Spirit leads us back to the law? bugkiller

What does it mean to be "UNDER THE LAW"?

It is true you are not "UNDER THE LAW" if you have REPENTED, CONFESSED, FORSAKEN your SINS and BELIEVE God's promise of FORGIVENESS (Prov 28:13; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 1 John 1:9) but if you are still practicing KNOWN UNREPETNANT SIN then you are still "UNDER THE LAW" and guilty of SIN (breaking God's LAW).

ROMANS 3:19-23
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Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21, But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22, Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and on all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23, For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

God's LAW (10 Commandments) is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and lead us to JESUS (Gal 3:24-25) that we might be justified by FAITH. Not being "UNDER THE LAW" means your no longer under the CONDEMNATION of the LAW because you have been FOGIVEN for your SINS.

IF you are still CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you do not KNOW GOD because you have rejected his GIFT of SALVATION through his Son and you are still in your SINS.

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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CONCLUSION: To be "UNDER THE LAW" according to God's WORD means to be guilty before God of SIN and breaking God's LAW. Sin is the problem not God's LAW. As Paul says the commandment is HOLY, Just and Good (ROMANS 7:12)
 
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Real sabbath keeping is evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost:

Acts 5:32 KJB - And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.​

Since the Law is truth, Psalms 119:142,151 KJB, which is what the Holy Ghost would lead us into [John 16:13 KJB].

Fuzzy feelings, tingling in the members, exhiliration are all feelings, not faith, and deal with flesh, and not faith. Eve had the same experiences when she ate from the tree she shouldn't have. Therefore, all experience is to be tested by the Law and the Testimony - Isaiah 8:20 KJB.

And @LoveGodsWord

Sorry, but keeping the works of the law is the opposite of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Yes, I think I shared my testimony with you. None have God's Spirit however if they are willfully and knowingly breaking any of God's Commandments. (Act 5:32; 2:38; 3:19; 8:22; 1 John 3:9-10)

You are absolutely correct.
 
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Sorry, but keeping the works of the law is the opposite of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Hello 1stcenturylady, NO ONE has said to you what your claiming above. Why are you saying we are saying things that none of us have said or are saying? I refer you back to post # 46 linked you may have missed it.
 
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Hello 1stcenturylady,

Why are you saying we are saying things that none of us have said or are saying?
I refer you back to post # 46 linked you may have missed it.

When you spoke of Col. 2, are we to keep the feasts, or are they ceremonial? If you say ceremonial, then that includes the Sabbath day. All are listed in Leviticus 23.
 
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Hello 1stcenturylady, NO ONE has said to you what your claiming above. Why are you saying we are saying things that none of us have said or are saying? I refer you back to post # 46 linked you may have missed it.

You preach law, law, law. But the gospel is grace, grace, grace. And the power of grace is the baptism of the Holy Spirit - not law.
 
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When you spoke of Col. 2, are we to keep the feasts, or are they ceremonial?

Good question. This thread is leading into the feasts (eventually). The aim is to show the SHADOWS from COL 2 how they point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation. We are looking at the earthly Sanctuary service (Shadows) at the moment and how everything in it points to Jesus and his work in the Heavenly Sanctuary as our great high priest. We have touched a little already on the annual feast days but will mainly focus on the Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23). The short answer to your question though is that they are also SHADOWS pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation just like the earlthy Sanctuary service.

If you say ceremonial, then that includes the Sabbath day. All are listed in Leviticus 23.

No the Sabbath from God's 4th commandment is NOT a CEREMONIAL law. These are laws attached to the Sanctuary and ORDINACES for remission of SIN from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

This is what the OP is about you should read it.

Some of these ceremonial laws however, were attached to God's 4th commandment under the OLD COVENANT (e.g. sin offerings). This should also not be confused with the special annual sabbaths and holy convocations attached to the annual feastivals that could fall on any day of the week (not God's 4th Commandment) which had a different purpose attached to these feasts. The annual special sabbath that could fall on any day of the week, were not God's weekly SEVENTH DAY Sabbath of the 10 Commandments.
 
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You preach law, law, law. But the gospel is grace, grace, grace. And the power of grace is the baptism of the Holy Spirit - not law.

I think what you get mixed up here is that you cannot have grace without law and you cannot have obedience without the Holy Spirit or can you have the Holy Spirit without obedience to God's LAW.
 
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Good question. This thread is leading into the feasts (eventually). The aim is to show the SHADOWS from COL 2 how they point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation. We are looking at the earthly Sanctuary service (Shadows) at the moment and how everything in it points to Jesus and his work in the Heavenly Sanctuary as our great high priest. We have touched a little already on the annual feast days but will mainly focus on the Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23). The short answer to your question though is that they are also SHADOWS pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation just like the earlthy Sanctuary service.

So because they point to Jesus you keep them all.
 
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I think what you get mixed up here is that you cannot have grace without law and you cannot have obedience without the Holy Spirit.

What you get mixed up in is if you truly have the Holy Spirit you don't need the law, because the law was never good enough to make anyone righteous. But the Holy Spirit does as it goes deeper than the surface sins the law convicts us of.
 
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So because they point to Jesus you keep them all.

Who says because they are fulfilled in Jesus or outline God's plan of salvation you need to keep them all? Do we still need to be circumcised today or does God want to circumcise our heart?
 
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What you get mixed up in is if you truly have the Holy Spirit you don't need the law, because the law was never good enough to make anyone righteous. But the Holy Spirit does as it goes deeper than the surface sins the law convicts us of.

Not at all If you have God's Spirit then you will walk in God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments). You think we are saying it the other way around when we are not. God's LAW is the knowledge of Good and Evil and defines SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Psalms 119:172). It is through God's Spirit that the righteousness of God's LAW is fulfilled in those who BELIEVE God's WORD (Romans 8:4)
 
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Who says because they are fulfilled in Jesus or outline God's plan of salvation you need to keep them all? Do we still need to be circumcised today or does God want to circumcise our heart?

If you can understand that, then why is it you are not able to understand that Jesus is the substance of the Sabbath!
 
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Not at all If you have God's Spirit then you will walk in God's LAW's. You think we are saying it the other way around when we are not.

Can't you understand if you deal with the core issue of hate, you can't murder??? The law was lacking.
 
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If you can understand that, then why is it you are not able to understand that Jesus is the substance of the Sabbath!
Why woud you think that of course Jesus is the substance of the Sabbath. Jesus is the creator and made the Sabbath for mankind and has commanded us to keep the SEVENTH DAY as a HOLY DAY (Mark 2:27-28; Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11)
 
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Can't you understand if you deal with the core issue of hate, you can't murder??? The law was lacking.

Why would you think that you can make the outside of the cup clean without cleaning the inside of the cup? The LAW shows what is dirty and what is clean. It cannot make anything clean it is a mirror.

What you are not seeing is that by walking in the Spirit God's LAW becomes the exceeding and great precious promises that make us a partaker of the divine nature.
 
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Why would you think that you can make the outside of the cup clean without cleaning the inside of the cup? The LAW shows what is dirty and what is clean.

Good grief, man. The law only cleans the OUTSIDE of the cup. It is the Holy Spirit who cleans the inside! That's why the law was lacking.
 
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Good grief, man. The law only cleans the OUTSIDE of the cup. It is the Holy Spirit who cleans the inside! That's why the law was lacking.

You have missed the point again. Why are you saying things I have not said or posted maybe you are tired? I refer you back to post # 46 linked
 
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You have missed the point again. Why are you saying things I have not said or posted? I refer you back to post # 46 linked

This is what I posted.
Can't you understand if you deal with the core issue of hate, you can't murder??? The law was lacking.

And you come back confirming what I just said with the dirty cup analogy. Why can't you see that thou shalt not hate is far deeper than thou shalt not kill? The law was LACKING as it couldn't make anyone righteous. But Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit to kill the desire to sin, which is what you keep pointing out is the reason for the law. Well, if you don't sin, the law has outdated its sell buy date and its usefulness for a Christian who cannot sin.
 
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This is what I posted.
Can't you understand if you deal with the core issue of hate, you can't murder??? The law was lacking.

And you come back confirming what I just said with the dirty cup analogy. Why can't you see that thou shalt not hate is far deeper than thou shalt not kill? The law was LACKING as it couldn't make anyone righteous. But Jesus gave us the Holy Spirit to kill the desire to sin, which is what you keep pointing out is the reason for the law. Well, if you don't sin, it has outdated its usefulness for a Christian who cannot sin.

Why would you think I do not know SIN originates in the heart when I am providing scripture that says that we need a new heart?

This has already been stated in the linked post already provided above that you are responding to.

God's LAW is not outdated it is eternal and the very standard of sin and righteousness and the judgement to come.
 
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