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STRONG DELUSION


2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

(send them) in scripture GOD is often said to do that which HE does not prevent (2 Chron 18:18)

Only other use of the word delusion in the Bible


Isaiah 66 King James Version (KJV)

Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

So we see according to the word that the Lord chooses their delusion he does not create the delusion.

Satan has been, for years, creating the DELUSION so that when the man of sin is revealed that the majority of the world will follow him as he has been deluding them all along.


Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Matthew 7:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Remember the parable of the 10 virgins.

Remember a DELUSION (man’s word) is the opposite of the TRUTH (word of GOD)

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The DELUSION (LIE) has to be a belief as Life on this planet is all about believing (worshiping) either GOD or satan.

What is the DELUSION that most Christians today believe, as the Bible says few will find the straight path. Because we are living in the end of time the DELUSION has to be with us now cultivating Christians for satan’s grand finally.

What is this “strong delusion” that most Christians believe today?

Your thoughts please.
 

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STRONG DELUSION


2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

(send them) in scripture GOD is often said to do that which HE does not prevent (2 Chron 18:18)

Only other use of the word delusion in the Bible


Isaiah 66 King James Version (KJV)

Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

So we see according to the word that the Lord chooses their delusion he does not create the delusion.

Satan has been, for years, creating the DELUSION so that when the man of sin is revealed that the majority of the world will follow him as he has been deluding them all along.


Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Matthew 7:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Remember the parable of the 10 virgins.

Remember a DELUSION (man’s word) is the opposite of the TRUTH (word of GOD)

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The DELUSION (LIE) has to be a belief as Life on this planet is all about believing (worshiping) either GOD or satan.

What is the DELUSION that most Christians today believe, as the Bible says few will find the straight path. Because we are living in the end of time the DELUSION has to be with us now cultivating Christians for satan’s grand finally.

What is this “strong delusion” that most Christians believe today?

Your thoughts please.



In context who would be some of the main recipients of the strong delusion?

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Obviously those that fall away, these would be some of the main recipients of the strong delusion. Fall away from what, that should be the question? Falling away from the faith being the obvious answer.

As to what is the delusion meant here. 2 Thessalonians 2 seems to answer that via this part.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

The delusion is centered around the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, where then a cpl of passages come to mind, which might further help shed some light on this.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.


And speaking of Matthew 24.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold
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13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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Agree so what are the lying (DELUSION) wonders?
The strong delusion IS God sending the lie in the form of the Man of Lawlessness who convinces the world that he is God and works supernatural wonders such as causing fire/lighting to come down from heaven in the sight of people so that it will convince people that he is God and worship him because no one else could possibly do such works of wonders except GOD , the True God is causing this to happen to cause the people to believe the lie that HE God has sent !
This is done to cause the people that have refused to repent and serve Jesus to serve a false messiah - so they believe the lie that GOD has sent
 
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[Staff edit].

This relates to the question many people ask "what is the meaning of life?' In order to answer that question it is necessary to know how life began , but many people attempt to answer that question without God in it.

They want to suppose how life began without including the originator of life and as such they are not willing to acknowledge and give thanks to the Creator of life - ALL Life no matter what kind of life it is . People attempt to say that Man came from evolving apes disregarding the Creator of Life.

They want to believe that all life came from some pool of water that ameoba evolved into fish , humans and all animals and even birds - all to attempt to say that God the Creator is a myth . They say that people who are weak minded need a God to believe in because they themselves choose not to believe there is a Creator God .
The strong delusion that is spoken of in scripture is the Creator Gods way of dealing with people who reject HIM and prefer to believe He does not exist and choose to believe in any other form of gods and rejecting Him.

The purpose of the written WORD of God is to tell mankind that God does exist and share some history of the reasons how and why God created Life and Man , so that those who would Believe would know that at some point in time that they could spend eternity with the Creator of Life and be the Creators beloved family eternally . Expressing that not all would come to repentance and live eternally with God the Creator.
Since then there have become many versions of what the Bible means and how people choose to interpret what is written , there are some religions that have distorted the bible to make it mean what they want it to mean , and there is also people who believe in God the Creator but also choose to make His Word mean what they want it to mean according to their own carnal manner of thought.

The story of Gods WORD tells us that He created the angelic beings and gave them great strength and gave one of them the greatest beauty and intellect and which having freewill he wanted more , and more and more as his pride became enormous ego that he believed that he would replace his Creator - much like mankind has become .

That led to the Creator to take away the glory position that was given to him and he rebelled against his Creator and sought to turn his Creator's other angels against the Creator and convince a great many of them to rebel and follow him and turn away from their Creator. Then God created mankind in the image of Himself and gave man the position in Eden that was originally given to satan which angered satan so he devised a plan to deceive man in order to take it away from man.
 
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The strong delusion IS God sending the lie in the form of the Man of Lawlessness who convinces the world that he is God and works supernatural wonders such as causing fire/lighting to come down from heaven in the sight of people so that it will convince people that he is God and worship him because no one else could possibly do such works of wonders except GOD , the True God is causing this to happen to cause the people to believe the lie that HE God has sent !
This is done to cause the people that have refused to repent and serve Jesus to serve a false messiah - so they believe the lie that GOD has sent


I understand that your post says that GOD is a LIAR is that correct.

IS God sending the lie in the form of the Man of Lawlessness
 
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I understand that your post says that GOD is a LIAR is that correct.
No ! It means God is sending the Man of lawlessness who is a liar to deceive people who refuse to accept the truth
 
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So we see according to the word that the Lord chooses their delusion he does not create the delusion.
Actually the Scripture means exactly what it says. God SENDS them strong delusion, meaning that He ensures that they will be deluded because they loved not the truth.

Strong's Concordance
pempó: to send
Original Word: πέμπω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pempó
Phonetic Spelling: (pem'-po)
Short Definition: I send
Definition: I send, transmit, permit to go, put forth.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3992: πέμπω

b. to send (thrust or insert) a thing into another:Revelation 14:15, 18 (Aelian hist. an. 12, 5); τίνι τίεἰς τό with an inf, 2 Thessalonians 2:11.

The delusion is that those who rejected the Gospel and rejected Christ will believe the monumental lie of Satan that the Antichrist is indeed God and Christ (as he will present himself to the deluded world). And he will establish this delusion through miracles (signs and lying wonders).
 
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No ! It means God is sending the Man of lawlessness who is a liar to deceive people who refuse to accept the truth

the man of lawlessness is already here, Satan is the father of all LIES
 
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Actually the Scripture means exactly what it says. God SENDS them strong delusion, meaning that He ensures that they will be deluded because they loved not the truth.

Strong's Concordance
pempó: to send
Original Word: πέμπω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pempó
Phonetic Spelling: (pem'-po)
Short Definition: I send
Definition: I send, transmit, permit to go, put forth.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3992: πέμπω

b. to send (thrust or insert) a thing into another:Revelation 14:15, 18 (Aelian hist. an. 12, 5); τίνι τίεἰς τό with an inf, 2 Thessalonians 2:11.

The delusion is that those who rejected the Gospel and rejected Christ will believe the monumental lie of Satan that the Antichrist is indeed God and Christ (as he will present himself to the deluded world). And he will establish this delusion through miracles (signs and lying wonders).
Exactly
 
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I understand that your post says that GOD is a LIAR is that correct.

I'm not understanding why you would even need to ask that?? In what way would that make God the liar? Do you not recall passages such as the following? Unrelated of course.

1 Kings 22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Does this also make God the liar then?
 
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Strong's Concordance
pempó: to send
Original Word: πέμπω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pempó
Phonetic Spelling: (pem'-po)
Short Definition: I send
Definition: I send, transmit, permit to go, put forth.

Did you not see this in the OP.
(send them) in scripture GOD is often said to do that which HE does not prevent (2 Chron 18:18)

What Lying wonders are in the Christian church today that many have accepted?
 
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Agree so what are the lying (DELUSION) wonders?

It could be a number of things. Such as alleged healings and miracles claimed by those in the Charismatic movement, where they claim this is being performed through the Holy Spirit, where, in reality, it may not always be the case.
 
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It will be a Man of human flesh who sits in a temple declaring to the world that he is God

and the majority of Christians will buy into this in the short period of time that this takes place in? What makes them do this?
 
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It could be a number of things. Such as alleged healings and miracles claimed by those in the Charismatic movement, where they claim this is being performed through the Holy Spirit, where, in reality, it may not always be the case.

And we have a WINNER but there are more LIES than this one in the Church by professed Christians
 
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The strong delusion IS God sending the lie in the form of the Man of Lawlessness who convinces the world that he is God and works supernatural wonders such as causing fire/lighting to come down from heaven in the sight of people so that it will convince people that he is God and worship him because no one else could possibly do such works of wonders except GOD , the True God is causing this to happen to cause the people to believe the lie that HE God has sent !
This is done to cause the people that have refused to repent and serve Jesus to serve a false messiah - so they believe the lie that GOD has sent
Absolutely. Why do some Christians have a problem with interpreting Scripture in its plain literal sense? Then they refuse to believe that this Man of Sin, this Son of Perdition, is none other than the Antichrist, the Beast of Revelation 13, the Little Horn of Daniel, who has several other names and titles as indicated in Daniel.

In brief this is Satan incarnate. As the Lord Jesus Christ was the true Messiah, the Antichrist will be the false Messiah who will deceive unbelieving Jews as well as the whole world. And God will give him and Satan exactly 3 1/2 years (42 months) to take total control of an unbelieving and ungodly world (while the Church is already in Heaven).

REVELATION 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
 
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I'm not understanding why you would even need to ask that?? In what way would that make God the liar? Do you not recall passages such as the following? Unrelated of course.

1 Kings 22:22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Does this also make God the liar then?

IF it does then he could not be without blemish or spot and his death was for not.

In the Bible, GOD is frequently presented as doing that which HE does not restrain.
these verses are part of the whole picture which is a parable.
 
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(send them) in scripture GOD is often said to do that which HE does not prevent (2 Chron 18:18)
It is not a question of "He does not prevent". It is a question of "He ensures". The first is passive. The second is active.
What Lying wonders are in the Christian church today that many have accepted?
Again, this is not even the issue. Whatever is happening today is irrelevant.

What will happen in the future (according to 2 Thessalonians) is that a renegade Jew -- the Antichrist -- will work many dazzling miracles to convince the Jews and the world that he is both Christ and God. He will blaspheme them, and call himself God. Then he will cause the whole world to worship his image, take his mark, and be eternally damned. Some will refuse to take that mark and will be beheaded. All of this is clearly revealed in Scripture.
 
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