The Lord's Day and the Sabbath are different days of the week

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for all eternity after the cross God said mankind would be keeping Sabbath in the New Earth "from SABBATH to Sabbath shall ALL Mankind come before Me to worship" - Isaiah 66:23

Is it your opinion that Isaiah is referencing Hebrews 4???
Why should i not see the sabbath rest as resting in the Lord, as opposed to saturday sabbath keeping? God promised us rest in Hebrews 4. Is that only on saturday?

What rest did the Lord promise here?

Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
 
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Why should i not see the sabbath rest as resting in the Lord, as opposed to saturday sabbath keeping? God promised us rest in Hebrews 4. Is that only on saturday?

What rest did the Lord promise here?

Matthew 11:28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
Rest from sin. [1 John 3:4 KJB] The 'rests' are not opposed. It is not either/or. It is both/and.

Technically it is 'the seventh day the sabbath' [God's time and nomination], not 'Saturday' [pagan name and devils time].
 
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So why did God need to speak of another day? Why wasnt the already established saturday sabbath not enough? And why was that other day called "today"?

Good question, the answer is in the CONTEXT.

HEBREWS 4:6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein <where?>, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

HEBREWS 4:7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

HEBREWS 4:8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

Hebrews 4:8. Justification of the πάλιν τινὰ ὁρίζει ἡμέραν, Hebrews 4:7. If Joshua had already introduced into the rest of God, God would not still have spoken in the time after Joshua of a term (period) of entrance into the same. αὐτούς] sc. τοὺς πρότερον εὐαγγελισθέντας, Hebrews 4:6.
καταπαύειν] here (in accordance with the classic usage) transitive, as Exodus 33:14, Deuteronomy 3:20; Deuteronomy 5:33, al.: to lead into the rest. ἐλάλει] sc. ὁ θεός.μετὰ ταῦτα] belongs not to ἄλλης ἡμέρας (Hofmann, al.), but to ἐλάλει, and corresponds to the μετὰ τοσοῦτον χρόνον, Hebrews 4:7.

The scriptures are comparing the SABBATH rest to the Gospel rest of FAITH you cannot have one without the other. NO FAITH NO REST.

HEBREWS 4:2 [2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith <UNBELIEF> in them that heard it.

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Continuing after v8

INTERLINEAR linked..

HEBREWS 4:9 So then there remains A SABBATH REST <SABBATISMOS> TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD

HEBREWS 4:10, For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Hope this helps..
 
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Rest from sin. [1 John 3:4 KJB] The 'rests' are not opposed. It is not either/or. It is both/and.

Technically it is 'the seventh day the sabbath' [God's time and nomination], not 'Saturday' [pagan name and devils time].
They are not apposed, sure i might agree. Which one however is needed? both? Which one does God want me to enter into? If you say both i will need to bow out. I dont wish to reargue acts 15 and all that, yet again, after so many others have already done so.
 
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So why did God need to speak of another day?
He is Perfect and Knows always exactly what to say and when.
Why wasnt the already established saturday sabbath not enough?
At the appointed time, and as long as Yahweh says so,
the 7th day sabbath is exactly as He Says Since Creation Week, and has not changed.
Who said it is not enough for what Yahweh purposed ?

And why was that other day called "today"?
WHO said it is "that other day" ??? as if a different day of the week.

No matter what day is TODAY, (any? , every ? day),
Yahweh's Word says TODAY, STOP hardening your hearts is the command.
(because JESUS is so much more important than Moses (but don't forget that Moses spoke of Jesus, and Jesus says if you listen to Moses, you would listen to Me(Jesus) )

“Today, if you hear his voice,
8 do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
during the time of testing in the wilderness,"
 
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They are not apposed, sure i might agree. Which one however is needed? both? Which one does God want me to enter into? If you say both i will need to bow out. I dont wish to reargue acts 15 and all that, yet again, after so many others have already done so.
One cannot be kept without the other.

Acts 15 -

They were already keeping Sabbath, so why the need to tell them to obey that which they already obeyed? See Acts [you know like 'good works' through living faith]:

Acts 13:14 KJB - But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Acts 13:27 KJB - For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 13:42 KJB - And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 KJB - And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 14:15 KJB - And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Acts 14:16 KJB - Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.​

As it was foretold in Isaiah 56:1-8; Amos 9:11-12, etc. The council already acknowledges that the Gentiles were meeting on Sabbath and would hear the word of God read:

Acts 15:21 KJB - For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.​
 
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Which one however is needed?
As Jesus told Martha, remember ? Leave Mary alone, for she has chosen the one thing that is important.
WONDERFUL !
LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN
Stop hardening your heart, IF you hear His Voice, and LISTEN to JESUS.

Like Mary who chose the one thing that is needed and good - sit at JESUS' FEET and listen.
 
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As Jesus told Martha, remember ? Leave Mary alone, for she has chosen the one thing that is important.
WONDERFUL !
LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN
Stop hardening your heart, IF you hear His Voice, and LISTEN to JESUS.

Like Mary who chose the one thing that is needed and good - sit at JESUS' FEET and listen.
You don't mean that Martha had to physically stop working to enter into spiritual resting, like Mary ... could you ??!??? could you !!???!??
 
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One cannot be kept without the other.

Acts 15 -

They were already keeping Sabbath, so why the need to tell them to obey that which they already obeyed? See Acts [you know like 'good works' through living faith]:

Acts 13:14 KJB - But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Acts 13:27 KJB - For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 13:42 KJB - And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 KJB - And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 14:15 KJB - And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Acts 14:16 KJB - Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.​

As it was foretold in Isaiah 56:1-8; Amos 9:11-12, etc. The council already acknowledges that the Gentiles were meeting on Sabbath and would hear the word of God read:

Acts 15:21 KJB - For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.​
I been down this road before. The examples of gentiles in Acts observing sabbath is not a good one. Those were unconverted people, not yet christian. I can see where this is going. Its been nice chatting with you. Peace. :)
 
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As Jesus told Martha, remember ? Leave Mary alone, for she has chosen the one thing that is important.
WONDERFUL !
LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN
Stop hardening your heart, IF you hear His Voice, and LISTEN to JESUS.

Like Mary who chose the one thing that is needed and good - sit at JESUS' FEET and listen.
Amen.
 
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Exactly what day is that?

As said above the other day is in reference to the rest of the Gospel as shown in the previous post
Exactly what day is that?

The other day is the Gospel of Christ as shown above in Hebrews 4:6-10

INTERLINEAR

HEBREWS 4:8 Indeed, to them, Joshua had given rest not anyhow anbout another would he have spoken after this day

The scriptures as shown above already are comparing the SABBATH rest to the Gospel rest of FAITH saying you cannot have one without the other. NO FAITH NO REST. No Gospel rest no Sabbath rest. The other day is in reference to the coming of Christ and the rest found in him through faith.

Continuing after v8

INTERLINEAR

HEBREWS 4:9 So then there remains A SABBATH REST <SABBATISMOS> TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD

HEBREWS 4:10, For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Hope this helps..
 
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As said above the other day is in reference to the rest of the Gospel as shown in the previous post


The other day is the Gospel of Christ as shown above in Hebrews 4:6-10

INTERLINEAR

HEBREWS 4:8 Indeed, to them, Joshua had given rest not anyhow anbout another would he have spoken after this day

The scriptures as shown above already are comparing the SABBATH rest to the Gospel rest of FAITH saying you cannot have one without the other. NO FAITH NO REST. No Gospel rest no Sabbath rest. The other day is in reference to the coming of Christ and the rest found in him through faith.

Continuing after v8

INTERLINEAR

HEBREWS 4:9 So then there remains A SABBATH REST <SABBATISMOS> TO THE PEOPLE OF GOD

HEBREWS 4:10, For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Hope this helps..
Ok, thanks.
 
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One cannot be kept without the other.

Acts 15 -

They were already keeping Sabbath, so why the need to tell them to obey that which they already obeyed? See Acts [you know like 'good works' through living faith]:

Acts 13:14 KJB - But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Acts 13:27 KJB - For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 13:42 KJB - And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 KJB - And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 14:15 KJB - And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Acts 14:16 KJB - Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.​

As it was foretold in Isaiah 56:1-8; Amos 9:11-12, etc. The council already acknowledges that the Gentiles were meeting on Sabbath and would hear the word of God read:

Acts 15:21 KJB - For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.​
I mean, you know, really. What if the council had sent out a letter [and prophets confirming] that said, "Hey, stop murdering [in all it means] people!", when no one was?

What if the council had sent out a letter [and prophets confirming] that said, "Hey, stop stealing [in all it means]!", when no one was?

What if the council had sent out a letter [and prophets confirming] that said, "Hey, read scripture!", when everyone already was?

What if the council had sent out a letter [and prophets confirming] that said, "Hey, honour your Father and mother [in all it means]!", when everyone already was?

What if Paul, every Sabbath, said, "Hey, stop thinking about your neighbours wife!", when no one was.

Wouldn't those seem just a little out of place?

Isn't it better that what was done, was done, and addressed the current and prevailing issues that were plaguing the believers, and causing dissention?
 
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Answer this before i go, please.
First realize the road you went down before (you stated) did not result in you gaining knowledge of the truth. (I wasn't there when you went down that road before , and not much is posted here about that) but the truth is that throughout history since Adam Godly goyim/gentiles , OT and NT , honored Yahweh's Word , TORAH, and kept the 7th Day Holy as Yahweh did on the Seventh Day when He sanctified it , set it apart , Holy.

Now, the day , per se, is not a day of the week at issue.
see the topic/ meaning/ subject at the beginning of chapter 4:
Hebrews 4 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)

Men failed in the past to find God’s rest: let us not fail!

4 1-4 Now since the same promise of rest is offered to us today, let us be continually on our guard that none of us even looks like failing to attain it. For we too have had a Gospel preached to us, as those men had. Yet the message proclaimed to them did them no good, because they only heard and did not believe as well. It is only as a result of our faith and trust that we experience that rest.

How was anyone saved ? By faith. Trusting Obedience. Relying on Yahweh.

So the command / warning in Hebrews: STOP hardening your hearts as they did when they rebelled.

Same message TODAY (every day).
 
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First realize the road you went down before (you stated) did not result in you gaining knowledge of the truth. (I wasn't there when you went down that road before , and not much is posted here about that) but the truth is that throughout history since Adam Godly goyim/gentiles , OT and NT , honored Yahweh's Word , TORAH, and kept the 7th Day Holy as Yahweh did on the Seventh Day when He sanctified it , set it apart , Holy.

Now, the day , per se, is not a day of the week at issue.
see the topic/ meaning/ subject at the beginning of chapter 4:
Hebrews 4 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)

Men failed in the past to find God’s rest: let us not fail!

4 1-4 Now since the same promise of rest is offered to us today, let us be continually on our guard that none of us even looks like failing to attain it. For we too have had a Gospel preached to us, as those men had. Yet the message proclaimed to them did them no good, because they only heard and did not believe as well. It is only as a result of our faith and trust that we experience that rest.

How was anyone saved ? By faith. Trusting Obedience. Relying on Yahweh.

So the command / warning in Hebrews: STOP hardening your hearts as they did when they rebelled.

Same message TODAY (every day).
I don't feel any unrest over Sabbath day keeping.
 
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We are in the NC now.

Only the saved are under that Jeremiah 31:31-33 NEW Covenant defined for us in scripture in the OT. That is the "one Gospel"

Hebrews speaks of a day that is not Saturday.

Hebrews says nothing about changing the Sabbath commandment to another day of the week that is not the 7th day.
 
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