The7thColporteur
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You got my vote.listed, you really need to not end so abruptly. ...
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You got my vote.listed, you really need to not end so abruptly. ...
I did. GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs SundayWould you kindly give your commentary about this verse?
I do not believe you and I have no evidence from you to do so.I'm really interested in who this mercy is shown to.
You got my vote.
God's "my covenant" is in Exodus 20, which a Christian has.How, since the Christian has a different covenant than Exodus 20?
All transgression of God's law [Exodus 20:1-17 KJB] is sin [1 John 3:4 KJB], from Lucifer's rebellion in heaven to his continued rebellion in this forum through his agencies.... Was non sabbath observance a sin prior to leaving Egypt?
But you will[ingly] not see, nor hear:... Present proof from the Scripture. ...
No, I quote the full thing [on numerous occasions, and again as above], and even provided the explanation of the first half in another post. You'll have to go looking. Please, please, take your time.... You rely on part of a sentence for your submitted proof text of 1 John 3:4. ...
There it is. Thank you.... I don't keep the law. ...
Chop, chop, snip, snip [this word here doesn't apply to ..., and that word there doesn't apply to ...] ... by so doing you are mentally taking away from God's words in the mind so that you can self-justify that it doesn't apply to you or whomsoever ... I warn you, and "counsel" you, in "charity" [1 Corinthians 13 KJB], in so doing, you will remove yourself from the book of Life [Revelation 22:19 KJB] and it will be your own doing. I can already guess at what you will say, but I have warned you.... so James 2:10 doesn't apply. ...
They were already keeping Sabbath, so why the need to tell them to obey that which they already obeyed? See Acts [you know like 'good works' through living faith]:... In Acts 15 the letter sent to the churches says no requirement to keep the law which includes the sabbath. ...
There is only one safe "ground":... So I'm on firm solid ground.
Where, in all of my posts, did I ever say/write such a thing? Cite it please with link....You say that the New Covenant is just added to the Old Covenant. ...
Where, in all of my posts, did I ever say/write such a thing? Cite it please with link.
As Jesus didn't heed the Pharisee's counsel, I will not heed your advice. Thanx for playing though...All I get is a pass on the question. Yes you're hiring another servant to work for you on the sabbath to consume upon your lusts. You're also conducting business also forbidden on the sabbath. Using electricity isn't the only thing you violate the sabbath with. Since you proclaim obligation to the sabbath, do as Jesus said go and sin no more.
No God expects and requires compliance with the law as you proclaim. If you don't comply regardless of peer pressure you're lost and without God like your false prophet says. I'm not because I'm a born again individual under the new covenant.
By this post you show you complete ignorance on the sanctuary system and doctrine... don't wade in if you can't swim.Sorry but the IJ simply doesn't line up with John 5:24. That verse says the Christian has already passed the judgment and has eternal life.
They are not the same covenant.That's what I understood. So what are you saying then? That the Old Covenant and the New Covenant are the same covenant?
We are not under both covenants. That is an impossibility. It is either one or the other.I hope not, because that's not scriptural either. Or that they are not the same and we are under both???
They are not the same covenant.
We are not under both covenants. That is an impossibility. It is either one or the other.
The issue is in the definition of what the covenants are.
Nutshell:What is the New Covenant consist of?
What is the New Covenant consist of?
Indeed:The difference between the two covenants is the way we keep the laws of God. And that has to do with original sin.
Nutshell:
Jeremiah 31:33 KJB - But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Lengthier:
Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-13, 10:16; Ezekiel 36:25-28, 37:26-28; 2 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJB, etc.
Jeremiah 31:31 KJB - Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 KJB - Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jeremiah 31:33 KJB - But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:34 KJB - And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Exodus 19 & 24. Agreement, book of the law, external, and sprinkled with blood of a lamb. The people, by the elders said:
old covenant entered into by what we of our own strength do - "All the LORD hath said we will do"Genesis 3:15, Galatians 3:16; Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-13, 10:16; Ezekiel 36:25-28, 37:26-28; 2 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJB, etc. God's unfailing promises, God cannot lie, internal, empowered by the blood of Jesus, the word of God, the Holy Ghost:
new covenant entered into by living faith - God's "I will ..."
Jesus is Israel, Jesus is Judah, His disciples are His children -
[Jesus is Israel part 1] - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word
[Jesus is Israel part 2] - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word
[Jesus is Israel part 3] - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word
[Jesus is Israel part 4] - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word
[Jesus is Israel part 5] - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word
"My laws":
Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. Exodus 16:4
Now therefore, O LORD God of Israel, keep with thy servant David my father that which thou hast promised him, saying, There shall not fail thee a man in my sight to sit upon the throne of Israel; yet so that thy children take heed to their way to walk in my law, as thou hast walked before me. 2 Chronicles 6:16
[[Maschil of Asaph.]] Give ear, O my people, [to] my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. Psalms 78:1
If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; Psalms 89:30
My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: Proverbs 3:1
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law. Proverbs 4:2
Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye. Proverbs 7:2
Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart [is] my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings. Isaiah 51:7
Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, [even] the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it. Jeremiah 6:19
And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein; Jeremiah 9:13
Then shalt thou say unto them, Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the LORD, and have walked after other gods, and have served them, and have worshipped them, and have forsaken me, and have not kept my law; Jeremiah 16:11
And thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD; If ye will not hearken to me, to walk in my law, which I have set before you, Jeremiah 26:4
But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jeremiah 31:33
They are not humbled [even] unto this day, neither have they feared, nor walked in my law, nor in my statutes, that I set before you and before your fathers. Jeremiah 44:10
Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed [difference] between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. Ezekiel 22:26
[Set] the trumpet to thy mouth. [He shall come] as an eagle against the house of the LORD, because they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law. Hosea 8:1
I have written to him the great things of my law, [but] they were counted as a strange thing. Hosea 8:12
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Genesis 26:5
And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? Exodus 16:28
And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; [and] they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths. Ezekiel 44:24
For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: Hebrews 8:10
This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Hebrews 10:16
I guess we choose to believe different things about the verse. You hear only condemnation and despair while I hear deliverance and hope with the words "hath everlasting life" and "is passed from death unto life." Those who think they have everlasting life and the right to eat from the tree of life because they tried to keep the law are going to be very disappointed.To even access the tree of life in heaven one will enter only through Jesus the Door like He says in John 10.No it doesn't, as one saying of scripture does not negate all the others [John 10:35 KJB]. The text is also conditional based upon faith, notice ["heareth" & "believeth on" [continual ongoing action]].
The passage speaks of "condemnation", which so long as one is in Christ, they are not under, but ...:
John 5:24 KJB Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
It depends on what one hears and believes.Hearing and Believing [at first and then continually] as required, places one's name in the "book of Life" [of the Lamb]. It doesn't remove the possibility of having that name removed, by disbelief and disobedience and thus by revocation of forgiveness in Matthew 18, etc:
This statement gets no resistance from me. But that isn't what our argument is about.A person can indeed lose their salvation, as it is written in Leviticus 23; Deuteronomy 30; 1 Samuel 10 & 1 Chronicles 10; Jeremiah 17; Ezekiel 3 & 33, Matthew 12 & 18; Acts 4-5; 1 Corinthians 15; Hebrews 6 & 10; James 1; 2 Peter; Revelation 3 KJB etc, and so on. - [link]
TrueJust as a name can go from the book of Death, to the book of Life [Revelation 20:12 KJB], it can also go from the one back to the other, since a name can be removed from the book of Life:
Your verses leave only despair. No thanks.Exodus 32:33 KJB - And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Revelation 3:5 KJB - He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 22:19 KJB - And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
We must have a different Great High Priest.Moses was indeed veiled [2 Corinthians 3:7 KJB], and Daniel given in symbols, but in Christ Jesus, we have it unveiled [2 Corinthians 4:3-6 KJB], and revealed in the Revelation [1:1 KJB, etc]. Therefore, we are they who follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth, and enter in by faith, and we hear the bells of our Great High Priest moving in His ministry.
The law isn't good news let alone the Good News.Those who obey the Everlasting Gospel, will take hold of Christ Jesus, and His strength [Philippians 4:13 KJB], and overcome all sin [Matthew 1:21, Revelation 2:7,11,17,26, 3:5,12,21, 21:7 KJB], and they will “keep the commandments of God”, and have the “faith of Jesus” [Revelation 14:12] to do so, and will be not like those who “draw back” [Hebrews 10:38-39] unto “perdition”.
If the just shall live by faith, why do you promote living by the law?Life eternal, is always based upon condition – obedience to the will of God [Hebrews 5:9 KJB], through living faith. John 5:24 KJB, the “believeth”, is continuing present action, a 'living faith', Bible faith [the just shall live by faith”, not merely “Lord, Lord ...” and disregard the Ten Commandments [John 14:15; Exodus 20:6].
I can do nothing about the tares. The tares will never become the wheat. Yes I've got plenty cheat grass in my wheat. Yes I do have wheat. The foolish and deceived can become wise though.Those who reject the Gospel, are indeed judged already, as they fall under the condemnation of those which have ultimately rejected Light [John 3:18 KJB], but this has nothing to say about those professing Christ, only those rejecting Christ. For among that professing class, there are two groups [sheep and goats, wheat and tares, wise and foolish, etc]. These must be tested, tried and winnowed, beforehand. Thus in Matthew 22:11, we read of this investigation:
My wedding garment is Jesus. You chose to be clothed in the law.Matthew 22:11 KJB And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
You will never be able to intimidate me.In Daniel, we see the books opened, and being searched by the thousands and thousands of angels, before Christ Jesus comes back in the second Advent:
Daniel 7:9 KJB - I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Daniel 7:10 KJB - A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Daniel 12:1 KJB - And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
I'm far to busy here and can't spend all day as I used to here. I've many things to look after that affect my physical life that require attendance.Heaven:
The ARK of the Covenant HAS BEEN FOUND since AD 1844! The Sabbath Commandment [Ex. 20:8-11] is seen!
as already cited, for every man taking hold of God's word by faith -- for faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God -- can look up [rather than down here on earth, like the carnal mind does] by faith and see the Ten Commandments in The True Ark in the True Temple:
Psalms 19:1 KJB - To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.I do notice, that you specifically and others are not posting in the specially created thread and are avoiding it, which was made just for y'all. Care to explain why?
Psalms 50:6 KJB - And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.
Psalms 97:6 KJB - The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.
Psalms 119:172 KJB - My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.
Interesting, but I don't believe it for a second.Who is "we"? Be specific please. I would like to know what legion I am dealing with. There are legions of light and legions of darkness [lie-ght].