GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

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The7thColporteur said:
Catch this, as it is coming to me ...

Exodus 20:6 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Would you kindly give your commentary about this verse? I'm really interested in who this mercy is shown to.

The answer is written in the very scripture and chapter you quote. :)
 
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Who here teaches the Christian can continue to practice sin?

If you are breaking ANY of God's Commandments you are practicing sin (James 2:8-12)

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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You are the one who is mixed up, because you keep quoting the law of Moses, stating that the Church is required to keep the Sabbath.

If you use the law of Moses to claim we are required to keep the Sabbath, but you don’t abide by what the law requires to keep the Sabbath then you are truly confused.

So which is it, we are to keep the Sabbath according to the law of Moses according to the New Covenant? JLB

Not at all my friend.

There is a difference between God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) and the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

SCRIPTURE SUPPORT ALERADY PROVIDED HERE LINKED CLICK ME...

If you disagree please state your case and provide your scriuptures. So far you have only provided your words and ignore God's WORD and the scriptures and questions provided that disagree with your teachings. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is?

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Is the person who operates the electric generator on the sabbath do your will? Remember they're to observe the sabbath and do no work. Does the law grant permission for you to take advantage of another's sin in working on the sabbath for personal gain?
I knew you'd ask that asinine question.... were the Israelites guilty of making the plants work when they breathed in the air? What you are suggesting is no different than what the Pharisees did in Christ's day... Jesus told us how we are to keep the Sabbath. I do all I can within my sphere of influence... that's all God expects.
 
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I knew you'd ask that asinine question.... were the Israelites guilty of making the plants work when they breathed in the air? What you are suggesting is no different than what the Pharisees did in Christ's day... Jesus told us how we are to keep the Sabbath. I do all I can within my sphere of influence... that's all God expects.
It's because they do not have real basis to their position that they ask such childish [Hebrews 5:12 KJB] things after their other positions fail them, which is exactly what the pharisees, sadducees, herodians, etc tried to do to Jesus and the disciples.

I like that. Plants/trees producing air. Excellent.

Or the Sun heat/energy perhaps?

Should we 'arrest' the Police officers, Fire men, clinicians that help the sick? Are we to turn off the power to homes in the dead of summer and let all the older folk and poor folk die of heat exhaustion?

Mark 3:4 KJB - And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

Luke 6:9 KJB - Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?​
 
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Again:

The word "refreshed" as already indicated from Exodus [pointing to Genesis], is due to God ceasing to Speak Creation. For in the Beginning was the Word [even 'Jesus']. In other words He ceased speaking the Word of Creation at the end of the 6th Day, and from forming anything further with his hands.

No, God did not become tired. He did however Stop Creating, by His Word. Thus "rested", and was "refreshed".

Isaiah 40:28 KJB - Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.​

He did however ceased from speaking, and saying, "Let there be...", thus pausing in 'breath' as you might say.

Genesis 1:1 KJB - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:2 KJB - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 1:3 KJB - And God said, Let ...

Genesis 1:6 KJB - And God said, Let ...

Genesis 1:7 KJB - And God made ...

Genesis 1:9 KJB - And God said, Let ...

Genesis 1:11 KJB - And God said, Let ...

Genesis 1:14 KJB - And God said, Let ...

Genesis 1:16 KJB - And God made ...

Genesis 1:20 KJB - And God said, Let ...

Genesis 1:21 KJB - And God created ...

Genesis 1:24 KJB - And God said, Let ...

Genesis 1:25 KJB - And God made ...

Genesis 1:26 KJB - And God said, Let ...

Genesis 1:27 KJB - So God created ...

Genesis 1:29 KJB - And God said, Behold ...

Psalms 8:3 KJB - When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

Psalms 33:6 KJB - By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalms 33:9 KJB - For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Job 38:4-7 KJB - [4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. [5] Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? [6] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; [7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
God was "finished" speaking Creation. It is a "memorial" [pointing to the past perfect Earth without sin, because He is without sin], see Exodus 20:8-11. Then it is also a "memorial" [pointing to the past resting in it of Jesus in the grave for our salvation, because He is without sin, and took upon Himself our sins, and paid the penalty for sin]. In the New Heavens and New Earth, is will again be a "memorial" [pointing to the past act of the finishing the plan of Redemption]. It is the "perpetual [eternal] sign" of perfection and completion, by Faith in the Creator and Redeemer. Those who knowingly separate themselves from this "sign", state that they did not believe that Jesus can bring them to perfect love [John 14:15; Exodus 20:6; Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:17-18 KJB].

The Sabbath commandment is eternal Light and Spiritual, never temporary Shadow, never Carnal.

Jesus is the word of God. Therefore, in his death, he too then stopped speaking, entered into the 7th Day the Sabbath of Jesus [the LORD thy God, the Son]., magnifying God's [His Father's] Law above everything, making it honourable. He is both the Just and Justifier ...

Those knowingly transgressing it, willingly "forget" what Jesus paid for their sins [1 john 3:4 KJB], and make excuses ... they choose not to "remember" ...

The Sabbath pointed to His rest. And it pointed to Whom everything was created through, Jesus. Not a day anymore, once the Son of Man was born. It looked forward to God's grace in trusting Christ.
 
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You are saying that God had a type/shadow [given because of sin [1 John 3:4 KJB]] to point forward before man sinned?

Absolutely. Didn't God know the future? Hadn't Satan already sinned? Even His death was foreordained before the foundation of the world.

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
 
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Absolutely. ...
Wow. Talk about no free will.

Here's what I imagine you thinking... Tell me if I am close ...

God: Hey Adam, don't want you to think about this too much, but you "remember" that Sabbath [where I, God, rested, blessed and sanctified it] and gave to you to rest in on the 7th Day likewise to keep it Holy?

Adam: Yeah, God?! It is truly great! A memorial to remember you as my Loving Creator who loves me and the family you created for me.​

God: Ummmm.. ... that's not really why I made it ...

Adam: ?????!!??​

God: You see Adam, some day you're going to sin and die, it's inevitable you know, and so ....

Adam: [Adam thinking ... whoever is having the nightmare, please wake up ...]​

... Didn't God know the future?
Indeed. Not in question. What you are saying is that God's foreknowledge purposefully set into motion the sinfulness of Adam to fulfill its purpose ...

...Hadn't Satan already sinned?
Indeed. Not in question. And God warned Adam of that foe ... in love. If Adam had "remembered" His Creator in the days of His youth:

Ecclesiastes 12:1 KJB - Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;​
 
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Wow. Talk about no free will.

Here's what I imagine you thinking... Tell me if I am close ...

God: Hey Adam, don't want you to think about this too much, but you "remember" that Sabbath [where I, God, rested, blessed and sanctified it] and gave to you to rest in on the 7th Day likewise to keep it Holy?

Adam: Yeah, God?! It is truly great! A memorial to remember you as my Loving Creator who loves me and the family you created for me.​

God: Ummmm.. ... that's not really why I made it ...

Adam: ?????!!??​

God: You see Adam, some day you're going to sin and die, it's inevitable you know, and so ....

Adam: [Adam thinking ... whoever is having the nightmare, please wake up ...]​

Indeed. Not in question. What you are saying is that God's foreknowledge purposefully set into motion the sinfulness of Adam to fulfill its purpose ...

Indeed. Not in question. And God warned Adam of that foe ... in love. If Adam had "remembered" His Creator in the days of His youth:

Ecclesiastes 12:1 KJB - Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;​

Even His death was foreordained before the foundation of the world.

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
 
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Even His death was foreordained before the foundation of the world.

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
If, Adam sinned, correct.
 
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What Jesus does in heaven is in dispute and contrary to what your church teaches with what used to be called the IJ.
There is only a dispute between Light and Darkness ... and Darkness cannot see:

The ARK of the Covenant HAS BEEN FOUND since AD 1844! The Sabbath Commandment [Ex. 20:8-11] is seen!

The Bible [KJB] doctrine is still called the Investigative Judgment by true Seventh-day Adventists:

The saints do not get to escape judgment, though they have an Advocate, Jesus Christ the Righteous:

Psalms 7:11 KJB - God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry [with the wicked] every day.

Psalms 37:33 KJB - The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.

Ecclesiastes 3:17 KJB - I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

Ecclesiastes 12:14 KJB - For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.
This also links to the record books in Heaven - COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

The investigative judgment is found in type and in prophecy throughout the whole of scripture [KJB]:

In Genesis 2 & 3, we see Eve being deceived into sin, though Adam was warned, and He having warned her, and Adam following in sin, and then "they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day", and God ['Jesus'] investigates, inquiring and asking questions [Genesis 3:9-19; not that God doesn't know, but it is for the benefit of the angels and Adam/Eve and us], having already warned man of the sentence for sin [Genesis 2:17], and then God carries out sentence, but also gives hope [Genesis 3:15].

In Genesis 4, we see Cain and Abel, which both claimed to worship God, yet one was a son of that wicked one, satan. When Abel was killed by Cain, God came down and asked/inquired/investigated of Cain, before sentence was carried out.

In Genesis 6-9, we see that the world was becoming wicked, and while many claimed to follow God, they were already inter-marrying with the children of Cain. God looks upon the world in investigation, before execution of Judgment by the Flood.

In Genesis 10-11, we see that the people again rebelled, and God came down to see and look and investigate, before the execution of Judgment in the separation of the languages.

In Genesis 17-19, we see that God had delivered the people of Lot and Sodom, and yet Sodom did not truly repent, and went further in rebellion, and God came down to see/investigate/judge before execution of Judgment. ...etc...

In Leviticus 16 & 23, we see that Israel, and all that claimed to follow God, was to enter into the time of the typical Day of Atonement, wherein the Priest bore into the Sanctuary, upon the Breast plate of Judgment the people, represented by the stones. Anyone found not to be in harmony with God, in true repentance, was to be cut off at the end of it.

In 1 Kings 3, we see Solomon [type of Christ] having an investigation between two persons [women] over a dead Child [Christ], and a living Child [Christ] to see who really loved the Child. Solomon investigates in a judgment setting upon His throne, and gives a test, and a sentence testing the loyalty of the True mother [true Church, worshippers] and the corruption of heart of the false mother [false church, worshippers].

In Ezra 2, we see an investigative judgment in type:

Ezra 2:61 KJB - And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name:

Ezra 2:62 KJB - These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.

Ezra 2:63 KJB - And the Tirshatha said unto them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and with Thummim.​

All of those priests coming back from the captivity of Babylon, had to be able to shew themselves by lineage, and had to pass through an investigation, to continue in their role as priests of God. Christians are kings and priests, a royal priesthood, and we have come out of the captivity. This is seen throughout the whole of scripture [KJB]:

The Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation reveal in type and in Prophecy this great end-time Investigative Judgment, and in Exodus 28:15,29,30 KJB we see the breastplate upon the Highpriest, is called “the breastplate of judgment”.​

In Daniel 7, we see God the Father sitting in judgment, with the books of records being opened, and the angels ministering and searching the records, with Jesus present.

In Daniel 12, we see Michael/Jesus standing up, after the searching of the record books of Heaven, and the book of Lifeof the Lamb have been searched and read

In Zechariah 3, we see an investigative judgment, taking place in the Most Holy Place on the day of atonement, with Joshua the High priest.

In Malachi 3, we see God sitting as a refiner, in judgment over his children.

In the Gospels, Jesus himself came to see/investigate/judge Israel, before the execution of Judgment.

In the Gospels, the disciples themselves were sifted, and we can even see this futher with Peter in the courtyard of the Highpriest, with Jesus in the upper room, and so on.

In Matthew 18, we see God taking account of his servants, who had at one point received forgiveness, but later had it revoked.

In Romans 2:13-16, we read of the future judgment of all men, including their secrets by Jesus

In 2 Corinthians 5:10, we read of all having to appear before the judgment seat of Christ

In Hebrews 9, we see this judgment was to begin with the dead, in the time of judgment.

In 1 Peter 4, we see that God, at the time of Peter, was “ready” to judge, and would begin at the time specified in Daniel and in Leviticus 16 & 23.

In Jude 1:15, we read of Jesus second advent to render and to “execute judgment” that was determined beforehand in the investigation.

In Revelation 3:10, 17:12, we see a specific testing of the living professing, that comes after the dead professed [Hebrews 9:27]

In Revelation 11, we see that the very Church, the Temple of God, was to be measured, sometime after the 1,260 years of Daniel.

In Revelation 14, we see the very first Angel's message declare that the time of judgment had begun, and was going forward while the Everlasting Gospel was still being preached.

… and so on.

Notice, that when the Ancient of Days [the person of the Father] sat, multiple thrones were also placed, wherein the angels [which 10,000 etc surrounded Him] also sat, and books were opened. This judgment is for the angels to look into, because they cannot read the human heart as God can, and thus they need to see for themselves that God's judgments were right on who is to be let into a place without sin [Heaven]. The timing of the sequence in Daniel 7 [as shown in context and in chiastic structure, etc] reveals that this phase of judgment takes place after the rise of Rome and its divisions, and before the second advent, and the kingdom come. It is unbreakable in its order. The judgment therein is even taking place while the little horn is still blaspheming on earth, before it is destroyed, before the number of the kingdom of Heaven is made up.

In Daniel 7 is in 4 main parts.

Daniel 7:1-14 KJB the vision of Daniel
Daniel 7:15-18 KJB the super summary of the whole vision by Gabriel [even vss 17,18]
Daniel 7:19-22 KJB Daniel asking about it again, and a specific
Daniel 7:23-28 KJB Gabriel, once more going over the whole in more detail​

Thus Daniel, Gabriel, Daniel, Gabriel. Each portion intimately tied to the other, so that the timing thereof cannot be broken between each section.

Daniel 7:22 KJB - Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.​

Until [refers to the previous time portion in earlier verse, the leading up to 1844, thus the 1,260 years, 538-1798]

Ancient of Days came, and did sit [refers to 1844 until the close of probation]

judgment was given to the saints of the most High [refers to 1,000 years, see Rev 20:4, "given unto", see also Paul, know ye not that the saints will judge angels [fallen], the world [lost].]

and the time came [end of the 1,000 years, see Rev. 20, Isaiah 24, etc] that the saints posesses the kingdom [being New Heaven and New Earth]​

In Ezekiel 1-9, shows the same, wherein a investigative judgment goes forward, and then execution of that judgment takes place after, beginning with the elders of the temple/sanctuary on down to the least.

A very important text to consider:

Proverbs 28:5 KJB - Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.​
 
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If you are breaking ANY of God's Commandments you are practicing sin (James 2:8-12)
No Christian is breaking the ten commandment by not keeping the sabbath because it isn't part of the requirements of our covenant. We're not under the law.
 
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Not at all my friend.

There is a difference between God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) and the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

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If you disagree please state your case and provide your scriuptures. So far you have only provided your words and ignore God's WORD and the scriptures and questions provided that disagree with your teachings. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.
This has been done several times. The only thing you're doing here is promoting argument and discord. Oh yeah and spamming the site with your repeated c&p stuff.
 
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I knew you'd ask that asinine question.... were the Israelites guilty of making the plants work when they breathed in the air? What you are suggesting is no different than what the Pharisees did in Christ's day... Jesus told us how we are to keep the Sabbath. I do all I can within my sphere of influence... that's all God expects.
All I get is a pass on the question. Yes you're hiring another servant to work for you on the sabbath to consume upon your lusts. You're also conducting business also forbidden on the sabbath. Using electricity isn't the only thing you violate the sabbath with. Since you proclaim obligation to the sabbath, do as Jesus said go and sin no more.

No God expects and requires compliance with the law as you proclaim. If you don't comply regardless of peer pressure you're lost and without God like your false prophet says. I'm not because I'm a born again individual under the new covenant.
 
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