Changing the Bible Sabbath by presumption alone ?

[OldWiseGuy]

Jesus was mocking the disciples when he said that because he had just traveled all the way to syrophoenicia for the express purpose of healing a gentile (In addition to the other gentiles he ministered to).​

A careful reading of that account reveals that indeed the woman was an Israelite, one of the "lost sheep". Jesus waited for the opportunity to make that clear to the disciples, who dismissed her as a Samaritan gentile.​

 

[BobRyan]

A careful reading of that account reveals that indeed the woman was an Israelite, one of the "lost sheep".​

"God so loved the World that He gave" all the world lost.

Matthew 15

The Syrophoenician Woman
21 Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.


1. A Caananite - not an Israelite
2. Both Jesus and the woman refer to her nationality/race as "dog" as compared to Israelite "children"
3. Jesus goes out of his way to go to the gentile district of Tyre and the woman is not "from Israel but living in Tyre" rather she is "from that region" .
4. Jesus' argument against the woman is that she is not "the lost sheep of Israel" and that Heis only sent to them -- not her.


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[Micah888]

The "Lord's Day" in Rev 1:10 is the end time Day of the Lord, not a new Sabbath.

Sorry but the Day of the Lord is a period of wrath, equivalent to the Great Tribulation.

The Lord's Day is a day for being in the Spirit. John says "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day", and Christians are to worship in Spirit and in truth on the Lord's Day -- the Christian sabbath, the first day of the week.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

"God so loved the World that He gave" all the world lost.

Matthew 15

The Syrophoenician Woman
21 Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.


1. A Caananite - not an Israelite
2. Both Jesus and the woman refer to her nationality/race as "dog" as compared to Israelite "children"
3. Jesus goes out of his way to go to the gentile district of Tyre and the woman is not "from Israel but living in Tyre" rather she is "from that region" .
4. Jesus' argument against the woman is that she is not "the lost sheep of Israel" and that Heis only sent to them -- not her.​

She was a "woman of Canaan" (AV) (a woman living in Canaan), not a "Canannite" woman. Big difference.

Even the Jews knew that many of the lost tribes were still in the region living among the true gentiles.

John 7:34-35

34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.

35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?

James addresses them as well.

James 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Remnants of the northern kingdom were scattered throughout Galilee and the provinces just to the north, and were well known to most in that day.

From the AV,

22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered (the disciples) and said, I am not sent but (meaning only) unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

He then ministered to her, to whom he was sent.

Interesting as well is the account of the "woman at the well". The NIV calls her a "Samaritan woman", whereas the AV calls her a "woman of Samaria". She calls herself a Samaritan, then intimates that she is descended from "our father" Jacob.

There are other very positive indications that Jesus indeed went only to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", the scattered Israelites of the northern kingdom.

There is also very strong evidence that Paul was sent to the lost tribes of Israel. The term "gentile" simply means non-Jews, in the context of the NT writing, and can mean non-Israelites, non-Jews, or simply nations, peoples, or tribes. John 7:35 (above) is a good example of this. The term gentile is used in reference to true gentiles and Israelites;
"....will he go unto the dispersed (Israelites) among the Gentiles (non-Israelites), and teach the Gentiles (Israelites)?"

Why would the Jews think that Jesus would go to the dispersed Israelites and there teach the non-Israelites his message? This is a common error in translation (it's actually interpretation by translation).
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[BobRyan]

Sorry but the Day of the Lord is a period of wrath, equivalent to the Great Tribulation.

The Lord's Day is a day for being in the Spirit. John says "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day", and Christians are to worship in Spirit and in truth on the Lord's Day -- the Christian sabbath,

Agreed.

the Christian Sabbath the first day of the week.

No Bible text calls week-day-1 "Sabbath" or even "Christian Sabbath"
All references to "Sabbath" in the NT refer to the seventh day sanctifieT
"The 7th day is the Sabbath of the LORD (YHWH)" Exodus 20:10

 

[BobRyan]

A careful reading of that account reveals that indeed the woman was an Israelite, one of the "lost sheep".​

"God so loved the World that He gave" all the world lost.

Matthew 15

The Syrophoenician Woman
21 Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.


1. A Caananite - not an Israelite
2. Both Jesus and the woman refer to her nationality/race as "dog" as compared to Israelite "children"
3. Jesus goes out of his way to go to the gentile district of Tyre and the woman is not "from Israel but living in Tyre" rather she is "from that region" .
4. Jesus' argument against the woman is that she is not "the lost sheep of Israel" and that Heis only sent to them -- not her.


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She was a "woman of Canaan" (AV)​

In fact "a Canaanite woman" NASB.​

" not a "Canannite" woman. Big difference.​

It does not say "not a Canaanite" and it does not "a Jew".

Jews in the NT were not called "a man of Canaan" or "a woman of Canaan".

Even the Jews knew that many of the lost tribes were still in the region living among the true gentiles.​

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True and in Acts 18:24 we see how they reference that scenario.

Acts 18:24
"Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus."

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They tell you when it is the case "a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria"

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[klutedavid]

Hello Bob.

Is "do not take God's name in vain" written in your opinion??

That written law was given to the Jews and not to the Gentiles.

Is James teaching doctrinal error in your opinion?

The audience James was addressing were Jews, those under the law.

James' text has some interesting "quote marks" what is he quoting in your POV -- scripture?

You need to specify what 'the law of liberty' means, before I can explain the quotation marks.

 

[klutedavid]

I asked you for the verses that state that Gentiles will be under the law?

Israel the peoples were to be a Light to the Gentiles, as in Deuteronomy 4 KJB, etc.

Well that did not happen, the Jews did not obey the law themselves. This verse does not say Gentiles are under the law.

All creation is under law/order of God. The rain, wind, sun, moon & stars, the galaxies, the microbes, the beasts, etc., etc.

Creation is controlled by God but that has nothing to do with written law.

Therefore, let me try a broader approach:

Acts 17:26 KJB - And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;​

Does God set "bounds" for all nations "of their habitation"? Yes/No?

Geographical boundaries yes, but God chose only one royal nation for the written law, i.e., Israel.

Acts 17:30 KJB - And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

God commands all mankind to believe in Jesus Christ!

Does God require all "nations" to repent? Yes/No?

All nations are to be subject to the Light, Jesus Christ. God appointed Jesus as ruler over all the nations. We turn to Jesus first and that is what all these verses are talking about.

Isaiah 60:3 KJB - And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Messianic prophecy, no mention of the law.

Isaiah 60:5 KJB - Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

Nothing about Gentiles under the law.

Acts 11:18 KJB - When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Turning to Jesus grants life, repenting of sin does not grant life.

Acts 15:17 KJB - That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

All about seeking Jesus, no mention of Gentiles under the law.

You have not answered the question. I see no hard evidence in the scripture, that Gentiles were under the written law.

 

[The7thColporteur]

... I see no hard evidence in the scripture, that Gentiles were under the written law.

God's law is written in Heaven, as demonstrated here [Link]. It is above all creation. All creation is under it.

Again, the problem is not with the eyes.

 

[The7thColporteur]

... Well that did not happen, the Jews did not obey the law themselves. This verse does not say Gentiles are under the law. ...

Logical fallacy.

That the goal was not attained in fulness, did not eliminate the goal, nor the reality of the purpose of it, neither the possibility of reaching it, as was clearly seen in the days of David and Solomon [before his great apostasy], when the light [glory] shown into all the earth:

1 Chronicles 14:17 KJB - And the fame of David went out into all lands; and the LORD brought the fear of him upon all nations.

1 Chronicles 16:24 KJB - Declare his glory among the heathen; his marvellous works among all nations.

1 Kings 8:41 KJB - Moreover concerning a stranger, that is not of thy people Israel, but cometh out of a far country for thy name's sake;

1 Kings 8:42 KJB - (For they shall hear of thy great name, and of thy strong hand, and of thy stretched out arm when he shall come and pray toward this house;

1 Kings 8:43 KJB - Hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for: that all people of the earth may know thy name, to fear thee, as do thy people Israel; and that they may know that this house, which I have builded, is called by thy name.​

Any who refuse God in His commandment, means they say "No." to God. The Bible has something to say about those that do that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

4. Jesus' argument against the woman is that she is not "the lost sheep of Israel" and that He is only sent to them -- not her.​

Jesus argued that point with the disciples, not her. Both they and the woman considered her a non-Israelite. Jesus knew better. That's why he went there, found her, and ministered to her, after a brief repartee.​

 

[The7thColporteur]

...Geographical boundaries yes...

As stated I was going with the broader approach. Therefore, good admission on the wide scope.

Now that you agree that there are "natural [geographical] bounds", let us consider the 'spiritual bounds' [the 'bounds of the heart'] which the natural bounds point us to, as it is written:

1 Corinthians 15:46 KJB - Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.​

 

[BobRyan]

Even the Jews knew that many of the lost tribes were still in the region living among the true gentiles.​

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True and in Acts 18:24 we see how they reference that scenario.

Acts 18:24
"Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus."

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They tell you when it is the case "a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria"

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Jesus argued that point with the disciples, not her. Both they and the woman considered her a non-Israelite.​

Comparing her to a dog (vs Jews as "children" was something Jesus initiated - the text says she was from that region and neither Jesus nor the woman in anyway show that they think she was not a gentile. Nor do the disciples show any indication of it -- nor does Matthew indicate she was not a gentile.


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Matthew 15

The Syrophoenician Woman
21 Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.


1. A Caananite - not an Israelite
2. Both Jesus and the woman refer to her nationality/race as "dog" as compared to Israelite "children"
3. Jesus goes out of his way to go to the gentile district of Tyre and the woman is not "from Israel but living in Tyre" rather she is "from that region" .
4. Jesus' argument against the woman is that she is not "the lost sheep of Israel" and that Heis only sent to them -- not her.​

 

[BobRyan]

I need to see where the scripture says that Gentiles are under the law. .

So then you did no did not read Romans 3?(this must be about the 50th time it was mentioned)

Romans 3:19-21,23 for example

I asked you for the verses that state that Gentiles will be under the law?
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So then..Romans 3:19-21,23 for example

When your argument hits a choke-point you simply "circle back" -- I find that "instructive"

 

[BobRyan]

Not opposed to any Sabbath just not under the written law.

Is "do not take God's name in vain" written in your opinion??

Is James teaching doctrinal error in your opinion?
James' text has some interesting "quote marks" what is he quoting in your POV -- scripture?

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

Hello Bob.
That written law was given to the Jews and not to the Gentiles.

In your post you claim your remark above is specifically directed at God's command to not "take God's name in vain" -- your argument that gentiles can take God's name in vain but Jews cant -- is very hard to take seriously.

As we both know.

The audience James was addressing were Jews, those under the law.

Your "gentiles please don't read this or that part of the New Testament" is just as weak as your "gentiles can take God's name in vain but Jews can't" solution.

At what point would you like thrown that shovel away?

BTW - thanks for those two comments. Absolute keepers.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Comparing her to a dog was something Jesus initiated - the text says she was from that region and neither Jesus nor the woman in anyway show that they think she was not a gentile.

Jesus was comparing her to a 'puppy' as a family pet, not as a gentile. It's a good metaphor for those Israelites living in the region that benefitted but little from the Judaism of the day. While they received the crumbs the Jews received most of the benefits of the religion.

 

[The7thColporteur]

But weren't these "other sheep" actually the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" to whom Jesus was "sent only"?

No. If I took your position, Jesus didn't die for the world [which He most certainly did]:

John 10:15 KJB - As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.​

This [lost] world was the lost sheep [the '99' [symbolic] unfallen worlds remained loyal to God]:

Luke 15:4 KJB - What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

Luke 15:5 KJB - And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

Luke 15:6 KJB - And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

AD 31 -

Revelation 12:12 KJB - Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
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Luke 15:7 KJB - I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Feel free to see my study on the unfallen worlds and their unfallen inhabitants above including the structure [Psalms 77:13 KJB] of Daniel and Revelation - [Link] & [Link]
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There are sheep of Israel [Jesus went to these who had the Oracles and knowledge of God, first], and sheep of the Gentiles [then these afterward], see also:

John 21:15 KJB - So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

John 21:16 KJB - He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

John 21:17 KJB - He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.​

And during their captivity by the Assyrians and their dispersion were they required to keep the Sabbath?...

The Assyrians carried off into captivity the whole of the northern 10 tribes [because of their sins], and left a few remnants [which still kept Sabbath]. The Assyrians repopulated the areas of the north, like the capital - Samaria, etc with their own Assyrians peoples, which intermixed with what was left of the northern tribes. Some kept Sabbath, others didn't. They were no longer pure Israelites, but mostly Assyrian, etc. blood. Those who were carried off, remained so and disappeared into history.

2 Kings 17:24 KJB - And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.​

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No. If I took your position, Jesus didn't die for the world [which He most certainly did]:

John 10:15 KJB - As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.​

This [lost] world was the lost sheep [the '99' [symbolic] unfallen worlds remained loyal to God]:

Luke 15:4 KJB - What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

Luke 15:5 KJB - And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

Luke 15:6 KJB - And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

AD 31 -

Revelation 12:12 KJB - Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
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Luke 15:7 KJB - I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Feel free to see my study on the unfallen worlds and their unfallen inhabitants above including the structure [Psalms 77:13 KJB] of Daniel and Revelation - [Link] & [Link]​

There are sheep of Israel [Jesus went to these who had the Oracles and knowledge of God, first], and sheep of the Gentiles [then these afterward], see also:

John 21:15 KJB - So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

John 21:16 KJB - He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

John 21:17 KJB - He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.​

The Assyrians carried off into captivity the whole of the northern 10 tribes [because of their sins], and left a few remnants [which still kept Sabbath]. The Assyrians repopulated the areas of the north, like the capital - Samaria, etc with their own Assyrians peoples, which intermixed with what was left of the northern tribes. Some kept Sabbath, others didn't. They were no longer pure Israelites, but mostly Assyrian, etc. blood. Those who were carried off, remained so and disappeared into history.

2 Kings 17:24 KJB - And the king of Assyria brought men from Babylon, and from Cuthah, and from Ava, and from Hamath, and from Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the children of Israel: and they possessed Samaria, and dwelt in the cities thereof.​

Who was James addressing in his epistle?
Who were the Galatians?

Regarding the Assyrian captivity; Sargon destroyed the capital city of Samaria and took away but 27,000 captives, according to their own records. This hardly depleted the land of Israelites. 2Chron 30 reveals that many of the tribes remained in the land and were actually invited to worship in Jerusalem by the Jews.
Assyrian captivity - Wikipedia

Many sources strongly indicate that remnants of all the 'lost' tribes were still in the region. It is to these that Jesus was "sent only".

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No. If I took your position, Jesus didn't die for the world [which He most certainly did]:

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 King James Version (KJV)

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (the church/bride/Israel).

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power (the rest of mankind during Christ's reign).

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus argued that point with the disciples, not her. Both they and the woman considered her a non-Israelite.​

Comparing her to a dog (vs Jews as "children" was something Jesus initiated - the text says she was from that region and neither Jesus nor the woman in anyway show that they think she was not a gentile. Nor do the disciples show any indication of it -- nor does Matthew indicate she was not a gentile.


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Matthew 15

The Syrophoenician Woman
21 Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.


1. A Caananite - not an Israelite
2. Both Jesus and the woman refer to her nationality/race as "dog" as compared to Israelite "children"
3. Jesus goes out of his way to go to the gentile district of Tyre and the woman is not "from Israel but living in Tyre" rather she is "from that region" .
4. Jesus' argument against the woman is that she is not "the lost sheep of Israel" and that Heis only sent to them -- not her.​

Jesus was comparing her to a 'puppy' as a family pet

human..vs..pet dog.

But it is the woman that brings up the idea of the "pet" dog that eats crumbs that fall from the master's table.

'dogs' in general is a phrase used in both OT and NT that hardly ever means "your pet puppy".

Not even once does NT or OT refer to Jews outside of Israel "as dogs" as we all know.

Instead of 'dogs' -- here is how the NT authors refer to a Jew outside of Israel

Acts 18:24
"Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus."