Agreed.
And in Romans 6 Paul flat out condemns that idea for Christians.
In fact in 1 Cor 6 he introduces that condemnation of Christians with these words "do not be deceived".
You only quoted three lines of what I wrote, so I will more fully explain the rest:
As you know, in Christ's day, the people who were the most guilty of breaking the moral law, were the teachers of the law and Pharisees. But they did clean the outside of the cup
I'm going to write this in emboldened letters:
The people who most insist you must obey the law/TC, with either the strong inference heaven hinges on it/you can only be in a saved state if you do obey it, or those, who outrightly state it, are the people who most casually break the moral law of God. I have found it to be true on this website, and over decades in various churches/denominations.
I will just give you one example. A few years ago a friend asked me to go to church with them on a Saturday. I honestly went with an open mind, I truly did. I figured if the only difference between them and me was which day they went to church it was no big deal. Paul speaks of what he termed 'disputable matters' in rom ch14, and that subject is covered by one of them.
So I went to the church. The first thing I noticed was, it was relentlessly stated: You must obey the TC, and the churchgoers certainly believed Heaven hinged on it. I disagreed with their emphasis on law, but tried to still keep an open mind. After a couple of weeks of going I heard two people laughing, almost hysterically as they constantly took the Lords name in vain, oblivious to the fact they were breaking the TC they insisted you must obey if you want to attain to heaven. I cannot describe to you how truly shocked I was. For in forty five years(of then going to church), I had never once come across such a thing in any church I have been to. And it was not just two people doing it, but others also. How can you, sin without conscience concerning law written in your mind and placed on your heart.
There was a woman there who dressed immaculately for church on Saturdays. She tithed her money, avoided alcohol and went to all the services. She also insisted you must obey the TC
(in reality if you want to get to heaven). She looked the most Godly of people in the services, shouting out AMEN when the minister said something she heartedly approved of. I then found out, at the same time she was having multiple affairs. Now don’t get me wrong, I cannot claim no one in any church I have ever been to heartily joined in the service and never had an affair, but I have never seen it on the scale I saw it in this church. One of the women who often took the service before the minister spoke was alos having an affair, I could go on and on. Was it just one church? No! I knew someone who went to a different church on a Saturday, same thing happened.
When I was at that church, it hit me, just how much on an endorsement of my core Christian views I was seeing before my eyes
Now don’t get me wrong here, I am not sinless, nor would ever claim to be. But I will write this in emboldened also:
I could not sin as I saw such blatant sin and turn up at church each week and heartily join in the service. If I committed wilfull sin, it would seer my conscience, and I could never go to church each week and heartily join in the service if I acted as I have described. And I would have no rest, and no peace until I come before my Father in heaven and tell him I am sorry for how I acted.
And every christian commits sin, those who woodenly quote the letter of scripture claiming Christians never commit sin, doesn’t understand the message contained in the letter. (If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and
the truth is not in us 1John 1:8)
But you see, if you have the law written in your mind and placed on your heart, how on earth can you so casually in ignorance break the moral law of God?
Anyway, I am sure you must dismiss the post, or give a standard response to why I saw what I saw. But, it is so true, I will once again repeat it:
Those who most insist you must obey the law/TC with the strong inference Heaven hinges on it, are the people who most casually break the moral law, apparently with little or no qualms in doing so, but they do clean the outside of the cup.