Too much focus on the blood?

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I have been thinking a lot lately. My faith has been on quite the rollercoaster ride the past seven months or so but, I feel like God is teaching me through all of this.

Ok so to cut right to the chase... what is the significance, specifically to US right now, of the blood of Christ? I am wondering, do we put too much emphasis on the blood in Salvation?

Now before anyone freaks out too much, let me explain a bit here what's going through my wild head... It is clear to me that Salvation is only achieved through the acceptance of Christ which includes accepting His death and resurrection. He died so that we might live. That's not the question.

The question is, is it literally the blood? Or is the blood simply a fulfillment of prophecy?

You might ask why I'm wondering so much about this? Well, a lot of people put a LOT of emphasis on the atoning power of the blood. But, that is a very Jewish concept. In fact the whole idea of God requiring blood sacrifice is very Jewish, and actually goes back even further in all cultures to very primitive practices.

I feel like I have always seen what Jesus did at Calvary to exceedingly transcend any such primitivism, which is why I always had a hard time interpreting the Old Testament sacrifices as literal requirements from God. But I KNOW that without Jesus death and resurrection, I could not have life.

So the question then really is, is the blood literally still significant for us? Or should we be more focused simply His death, and subsequent descent and removing the keys from Satan, and then return through His resurrection? And in that death and victory we too have victory over sin?

Am I making sense? I feel like I am rambling a bit. lol
If I am reading you right, you are asking about Communion, taking the bread(body) and drinking the wine (blood)...is that correct? I know a lot of adventist have an issue with this very topic but I also believe this has been twisted over the years. If this is what you are looking for I may be able to put a different perspective on it

Jess
 
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When we talk about Communion it is the Center and Focal Point of Belief…
Communion is a Sacrament, and it is a Sacrifice where Jesus Christ established a Covenant. To put it in even better terms; He not only established the Covenant, He is the Covenant! So, what is this Sacrament? “The Sacrament contains; Christ’s Body,
Blood, Soul and Divinity. It is also an offering that is offered to God eternally in an un-bloody manner. But it is not only contained and offered, it is also received”
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It is so important to understand that all three of these elements explain how the Communion / Eucharist is both a Sacrifice and a Sacrament.
When the Sacrament is received we call it Holy Communion. All three of those belong together; they are in-seperable, they are critical!
For those that believe that Catholics sacrifice Christ over and over again, you really need to understand this practice entirely! We are talking about an UNBLOODY sacrifice; a sacrifice where Christs’ death is represented. We are not talking about a bloody sacrifice where Christ is still bleeding and still dying. He is not still dying!! Christ has been;Buried, Raised, Ascended and Enthroned and Sits at the right hand of the Father. But as Christ is in Glory, He is the Lamb of God. Enthroned as the Pascal Lamb.
So we are talking about the humanity of Jesus which is inseperably united to His humanity and which was set up to established the New Covenant.
What most fail to see is that Jesus wants to be with us! Think of His name; ‘Emanuel’, (God with us). He is with us in such a unique and real way.
With this New Covenant we have to say that it is a different kind of Covenant because in the Old Testament the Covenants were all preparations….
*The First time a Covenant was mentioned was with Noah…it was in the sign of a rainbow. This Covenant prepares for Christ because we see that when the Lamb is enthroned in Revelation 4 & 5, around His throne is the same rainbow.
*The next Covenant is with Abraham and Isaac and that oath Covenant is established in Genesis 22 on mount Moriah when Abraham was ready to sacrifice his only son and the angel stopped him.
That Covenant was not really completed until Jesus, God the Fathers only beloved first born Son went to ‘Moriah’, to Calvary and there He was offered on the cross.
When Moses led the people out of Egypt into Mount Sinai, killed the animals, took the blood and threw it on the people and said, “this is the blood of the Covenant”…those exact words were taken by Jesus in the Upper Room when he instituted the Eucharist only to insert the word ‘New Covenant’…but it’s there practically verbatim!
Because what Moses was doing was only a symbol and a shadow of what Jesus would really accomplish.
When King David, saw himself and then his first born son, Solomon, a Priest-King after the order of Melchisedech (King of Salem), there in Jerusalem. As he took the Ark up and as he requested the doting of the temple and gave the people Bread and Wine all of this was a shadowy anticipation of what Jesus would accomplish. But this was only a partial picture.
What most fail to see is that God is not finished in history until He is with us, until He is one of us! For the first time in history, with the New Covenant, God is the Covenant!…in His human nature.
Very interesting to note is that the Christian religion is the only religion established on the basis of a divine oath; We swear oath’s to God!…’So help me God, Curse me God if I don’t fulfil this promise.’ But only in the Jewish scriptures and in the fulfillment of the Christian New Covenant do we have God; Swearing the Oath, Pronouncing upon himself the curse and establishing in His own Body and Blood, the Covenant.
In the first Century, St. Ignatius of Antioch, disciple of the Apostle John, Spoke of the Heretics who were plaguing the Church of his day and stated, “they have abstained from the Eucharist and prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our savior, Jesus Christ”.
This was in the first Century, nearly 70 years after Christ death; only half a man’s life span in our years today.
St. Justin Martyr in the second Century stated, “this food is known among us as the Eucharist…we do not receive these things as common bread and common drink but as Jesus Christ our Saviour, being made flesh by the Word of God”.
Still, the Eucharist is being performed as it was after Christs’ death.
In the Fourth Century St. Cyril of Jerusalem stated, “since then He has declared and said of the bread, ‘this is my body,’ who after that will venture to doubt? And seeing that He has affirmed and said, ‘This is my blood,’ who will raise a question and say it is not His blood?”
So we have testimony throughout all the first centuries of the church to this affect…You would be hard pressed and it is practically impossible to find a single statement by anybody in the first EIGHT centuries of the Church where you have a denial of the real presence of Jesus Christ; Flesh, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity there in the Eucharist.
Eucharistic prayer, #1 of the Roman canon…”Father accept this offering from your whole family”.
In the middle of the Mass we are told what we are and we are told what we are doing and that is we are;Praising, Loving, Sacrificing and Worshiping our Heavenly Father as He gathers His family.
Yet we have so many Protestants claiming that we are using pagan practices when we celebrated the Eucharist.
An example of this would be the sacrifice of Abraham, who offered his only beloved son on Moriah…An extremely powerful symbol of Jesus but he really didn’t kill his son, so it’s only an inadequate image.
“And the Bread and Wine offered by your priest Melchisedech”.
That is taken from the book of Genesis 14 where it says, “after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the four kings that were with him”, it goes on and talks about the king of Sodom ‘at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's valley’; “and Melchisedech, king of Salem which is Jerusalem (Psalms 76) brought out Bread and Wine for he was Priest of the Most High God. And he blessed Abram...
What is most interesting here is that this is the first time in the bible that the word, Cowen (Hebrew for ‘Priest’) is used…
*He was the Priest/and he brought out Bread and Wine and those two things are in close conjunction…He brought out Bread and Wine and it says he was a Priest.

Back then the Priest did not need to offer the bloody sacrifices (killing of the Lamb) That only became necessary when we learn in Exodus 8 and Ezekiel 20 when Israel becomes enslaved and addicted to the gods of Egypt and to Idolatrous customs which God has got to break by having them sacrifice the gods of Egypt ceremonially on Mount Sinai.
But back when we had the patriarchal family religion, rooted in nature, what was the sacrifice that was pleasing to God?
It was Bread and Wine! Offered by God’s Priest, Melchisedech!
The first time that someone is called Priest he is offering Bread and Wine, to Abraham who had come and paid his ‘Tithe’and receives ‘Bread’and ‘Wine and he receives a ‘Blessing’.

What should we do today? continue to honor what Christ did not finish in the Upper room and that was taking of the fourth cup! He only took of the fourth cup when a man lifted up a hyssop branch that had a sponge on the end dipped in a wine/vinegar substance and Christ stated, "it is finished". We continue the sacrifice (bread and wine) because Christ ordained it as such until we are with Him in paradise
 
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If I am reading you right, you are asking about Communion, taking the bread(body) and drinking the wine (blood)...is that correct? I know a lot of adventist have an issue with this very topic but I also believe this has been twisted over the years. If this is what you are looking for I may be able to put a different perspective on it

Jess
Just wanted to say hello, and welcome to CF. :) We are glad to have you with us. Please let us know if you have any questions about the forums or need any help.

And again, welcome!
 
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I apologize once again that I haven't been able to respond to everyone in depth. It's a busy weekend for me and quite frankly I didn't expect this thread to kick off quite like it did!

Let me clear up a few things:

This is not about Communion. I grew up in a very Protestant background and therefore never ascribed the literal blood to the cup. This is about how much the literal blood of Jesus is involved with our salvation, or rather is it simply a symbol of His life that He gave and died for us (which of course I understand is fundamental to salvation).

I am not disturbed/offended by the blood because it's blood and it's icky. That has never been an issue. My issue is with the ancient Hebrew idea that YHWH 'demands' literal blood in order to be appeased to forgive sin. Also, there are the potential cultural primitivisms that may have predated these animal sacrifices (for instance in many cultures in the Ancient Near East, animal sacrifice became a substitute for child sacrifice or other human sacrifice. Even certain verses in Exodus allude to the 'giving away of the firstborns'). Those are the things that disturb me. And I have never associated Jesus and what He did to save us all on the cross with any of that.
 
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And I have never associated Jesus and what He did to save us all on the cross with any of that.
JOHN.6: =
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.

Many Disciples Turn Away
60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”

61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”

66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also want to go away?"
 
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Our Lord Jesus Christ said to His Disciples when appearing to them prior to Ascending into Heaven

  1. John 6:53-55 53Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Because Holy Eucharist is the Real Holy Divine Heavenly Flesh and Holy Divine Heavenly Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ of which contain in our Lord Jesus Christs Holy Divine Will in His Unfathomable Divine Mercy, His Holy Heavenly Divine Blessings, Holy Gifts and Holy Graces in His Holy Divine Blood for conversions and Salvation.

The other Holy Divine Blessed Sacraments in which we "receive" our Lord Jesus Christ in His Holy Divine Blood are through Holy Baptism, Holy Confession, Holy Reconciliation, immersing our hearts and Souls in our Lord Jesus Christs Holy Sacred Wounds and Precious Holy Blood praying to Him His Holy Wound Chaplet and Holy Divine Mercy Chaplet and Holy Divine Mercy Novena and The Most Holy Rosary...and thousands of Holy Saints/Nuns not knowing one another each Century of whom have had our Lord Jesus Christ appear to them delivering His Holy Word, delivering His Holy Prayers from God The Most High our Heavenly Divine Majesty and mentioned greatly in Gods Holy Word are not wrong - with our Lord Jesus Christ saying to:

Read Gods Holy Word to receive Holy Spirit reigniting hearts Souls guided by our Blessed Holy Trinity
Pray daily in trust to our Lord Jesus Christ to receive Him into hearts with Holy Confession, Holy Communion receiving Him into our hearts Souls minds Bodies in His Loving Holy Heavenly Graces, Holy Gifts and Holy Blessings
Praying and talking to Jesus in complete trust knowing He is there and listening, kneeling in reverence before Him before Him in His Blessed Holy Sacrament where He is Present Physically and Spiritually Manifested.

Yes our Lord Jesus Christ manifests everywhere here and in His Holy Catholic Church in every one of them at His Altars and in His Blessed Holy Tabernacle like when God The Most High was Present in His Holy of Holies guided by His Disciples and Apostles through each generation in Hebrew and through Holy Saint Peter and Holy Saint John in every one of our Lord Jesus Christs Holy Church - Gods Holy Divine Will in His Holy Lineage from the very beginning.
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These are the two - Holy Catholic Church being the first then Holy Anglican, Church second - the rest brought in by people.

Because, God The Most High in one Holy Divine respect requested of His Apostles, His Priests, Moses and Aaron and Ezra being (3) that He wanted every dimension, every specification, every detail undertaken in His HOly Divine Will and Holy Divine Ways and Holy Divine Timing building His Holy Divine Temples here on earth/Churches and those were carried through Holy Saint Peter to date through our Lord Jesus Christs Holy Catholic Roman Church with and through further our Blessed Holy Trinitys Holy Saints Holy Martyrs each century to date.

The reason satan attacked the Catholic Holy Church was so as to prevent people from receiving our Lord Jesus Christ Himself in His Holy Communion, His Real Holy Divine Heavenly Flesh and Holy Divine Heavenly Precious Blood of which our Lord Jesus Christ has said to His thousands of Holy Saints now in Heaven, that forgiveness of sins is through Him and His Precious Holy Blood and Holy Water and Holy Flesh - in Him, in His Holy Communion and in Him in His Holy Confession.

our Lord Jesus Christ said that without receiving Him in Holy Communion and in Holy Confession satan has been claiming Souls at an innumerable rate for many years because people have strayed away from receiving Him in His Holy Catholic Church in His Blessed Holy Divinity in Holy Communion and in Holy Confession. Holy Saint Padre Pio having received our Lord Jesus Christs Holy Stigmata spent most his days hearing Holy Confessions and knowing what people were going to confess or would not confess well before Holy Confession - thousands of people whom Holy Saint Padre Pio did not know in our Blessed Holy Trinity, just as our Lord Jesus Christ knew hearts and Souls and minds well before they had spoken.

Now our Lord Jesus Christ does not in God The Most High our Heavenly Divine Majesty Gift/Grace mankind with one of His devoted Priests, Holy Saint Padre Pio hearing thousands of Holy Confessions over the years while receiving His Holy Divine Stigmata this Century without wanting Holy Confessions and imploring encouraging Holy Saint Padre Pio to hear Holy Confessions in Him, in our Lord Jesus Christ and through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Most Holy Saints are now in Heaven unless God The Most High deems another Nun or Priest one of His Holy Saints in these last days.

Through prayers and sacrifices of Catholics and Christians the others weeded out particularly through our Lords Holy Divine Mercy Novena praying for His Priests Souls brought to Him - to God our Heavenly Father and through Holy Spirit and to Most Holy Mother Mary. Yet there are many good good Priests here on earth and in the past along with our Lords good Nuns and Saints. Alas they need our prayers daily as our Lord Jesus Christ has requested of His Holy Saints/Nuns when here on earth.

The world is in deep trouble when there are not any more of our Blessed Holy Trinitys priests and Religious - many Nuns/Saints now in Heaven - all mentioned in Gods Holy Word - because without Holy Confession and Holy Communion through our Lord Jesus Christs Priests, His good Priests, we have no real Life in us as our Lord Jesus Christ said in His Holy Word.

To Holy Saint Peter and to Holy Saint John

"The sins loosed on earth are loosed in Heaven" and

"The sins forgiven on earth are forgiven in Heaven".

Thank you CF and all of my Brothers and Sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ for allowing me to comment contribute on CF over the years in our Blessed Holy Trinity and in Most Holy Mother Mary - I wish you all well in God The Most Highs Love through our Lord Jesus Christ Holy Spirit and in Most Holy Mother Mary.
 
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Again, the issue is not with Communion for me, nor is it that Christ shed His blood, but with the potential connection to ancient Jewish and possibly even older primitive sacrificial practices. That is what I am seeking to seperate.
The separation is in it is finished.Without the shedding of blood, there is no salvation/remission of the sin nature that we inherited through Adam.
 
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The OT sacrifices atoned for sins, those sins were neither exposed nor removed––they were covered.

Jesus, however, was the "lamb that *takes away* the sin of this world". The contrast between Old Covenant and New shows that the new is "superior" (as it states in Hebrews 8).

There were specifications for the building of the temple as well....but we can see that God didn't plan to dwell in the tabernacle forever (Acts 7:48).

BTW....that leads me to think of how David was disqualified from building the temple based on the fact that he'd engaged in war and had blood on his hands. Doesn't that demonstrate that God is NOT "blood-thirsty"?

You have shed much blood and have waged great wars; you shall not build a house to my name, because you have shed so much blood in my sight on the earth.
(1 Chronicles 22:8)
 
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Again, the issue is not with Communion for me, nor is it that Christ shed His blood, but with the potential connection to ancient Jewish and possibly even older primitive sacrificial practices. That is what I am seeking to separate.
It seems to me that God quite literally separated Jesus from the line of priests that were instructed to perform the law (that included animal sacrifices).

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It seems to me that God quite literally separated Jesus from the line of priests that were instructed to perform the law (that included animal sacrifices).

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Ah! Yes! Thank you for that! That's good right there. Now we're really getting somewhere! Digging into it!

This implies even more. Jesus seems to be completely seperate from the Pharisees and Saducees as well.
 
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Sacrifice is much more than a primitive Jewish concept. Sacrifice, the willingness to forfeit the present for the future, is what separates humans from animals. Through sacrifice, we orient ourselves towards the future, to the future to our children and our children’s children, to the salvation of humanity even.
Blood is life, and that is the ultimate sacrifice. God shows his commitment to us through the sacrifices of his blood
 
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In reading through the OT a person can see just how much of a struggle it was for the Israelites to keep from falling back into worshiping pagan gods. Changes like that, especially when an entire culture is wrapped up in all that in everyday life, don't happen overnight (and without a lot of resistance....if sudden and extreme).

I believe God "gave them over to their sin" for a time (instructed them to basically go along with the practices they were used to....with the exception of human sacrifice) and then, when the time was right, demonstrated His love for them (us) in the way their (our) minds can understand, by actually being the sacrifice (and not desiring a sacrifice to appease His anger like the pagan gods).
 
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Sacrifice is much more than a primitive Jewish concept. Sacrifice, the willingness to forfeit the present for the future, is what separates humans from animals. Through sacrifice, we orient ourselves towards the future, to the future to our children and our children’s children, to the salvation of humanity even.
Blood is life, and that is the ultimate sacrifice. God shows his commitment to us through the sacrifices of his blood

I completely agree, which is why I believe it was His giving up His life (which the blood represents) that paid for our sins and set us free and washed us clean.

To the Jews of the time, if they opened up to believe in Jesus, they would see how He fulfilled prophecy and defeated death and sin for all time, even though they would see it more through their own previous cultural contexts (which was animal sacrifices). This, however, in no way implies that God ever needed animal sacrifices literally. What good would that do Him anyway?

Jesus was NEVER plan B. That, I believe. Before even the foundations of time, the cross, the grave, the resurrection! Hallelujah O death where is your sting!
 
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Quoting from this article: https://chnetwork.org/2010/03/16/the-meal-of-melchizedek/

------>Appearing only briefly in both the Old and New Testaments is a mysterious figure named Melchizedek. The identity of this first priest mentioned in the bible is as strange as his name. Yet his importance, particularly as emphasized by the writer of Hebrews, warrants our attention, especially if we’re trying to understand the true meaning of Christ’s words, “This is my body … this is my blood of the new covenant.”

Before we examine the texts in Hebrews, however, I would like to call your attention to some words from the first Eucharistic Prayer, the Roman Canon. The priest with hands raised, prays: “Father, we celebrate the memory of Christ, your Son … Look with favor on these offerings and accept them as once you accepted the gift of your servant Abel who offered himself as an oblation.” Abel’s sacrifice was a perfect sacrifice of his own body and blood in an act of martyrdom, a very substantial image of Christ, but not perfect because it wasn’t voluntary; it was involuntary; it was murder. “The sacrifice of Abraham, our father in faith, who offered his only beloved son on Moriah.” Another powerful symbol of our Lord, Jesus Christ—but Abraham didn’t really kill Isaac, so once again this is an inadequate image. Then the priest continues,“and the bread and wine offered by your priest Melchizedek.”

This refers to Genesis 14.17-20, which says:

After his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer and the kings who were with them, the king of Sodom went out to meet him at the Valley of Shaveh, (that is the King’s Valley). And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was priest of God Most High. And he blessed him and said,

“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,

maker of heaven and earth;

and blessed be God Most High,

who has delivered your enemies into your hand!”

This is the first time in the Bible that anyone is addressed by the word coen, the Hebrew word for priest. As a “priest of God Most High,” Melchizedek “brought out bread and wine.” What is the connection between his priesthood and those two offerings?

During the days of Genesis 14, the priest did not need to offer the bloody sacrifices, for these only became necessary later, when Israel became enslaved and addicted to the gods of Egypt (see Exodus and Ezekiel 20). God’s strategy to break Israel from these idolatrous customs was to make the people sacrifice ceremonially on Mount Sinai the very animals they had worshiped as gods in Egypt.


The New Testament begins, “This is Jesus Christ, the seed of the son of Abraham, the Son of David.” Jesus Christ is the one through whom God fulfills the oath he swore to Abraham. Where did he swear it? On Moriah, the hill where the temple was later built and where Christ, the New Temple was later destroyed and rebuilt three days afterwards.

Hebrews 6 continues to talk about this oath, flowing into a discussion of the priesthood of Melchizedek:

We have this as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul, a hope that enters into the inner shrine behind the curtain, where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
 
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Again, the issue is not with Communion for me, nor is it that Christ shed His blood, but with the potential connection to ancient Jewish and possibly even older primitive sacrificial practices. That is what I am seeking to seperate.
God's Law is based on ni4ni and a life for a life, eg convicted sinners like murderers, adulterers, homosexuals, idolators, blasphemers, sorcerers, etc were put to death by the Jewish national authorities. For unintentional sins(LEVITICUS.4), God provided an avenue for the Jewish sinner/evildoer to be forgiven by offering an innocent and tame/clean animal to be sacrificed in his/her place, eg a scapegoat, dove, lamb, etc.(LEV.17:11, HEB.9:22)

As per the requirement of God's Law or Moses Law, the Lord Jesus Christ was sacrificed on the Cross as the Lamb of God in place of Adam, in order to atone for Adam's Original Sin, which all humans have inherited or are born with.(JOHN.1:29, ROMANS.5:12)

Adam's Original Sin = cursed by God with spiritual death and being bound for hell when humans die.
....... Forgiven by God = no need to undergo the curse of God for the sin. Believe in Christ and the Cross = saved from hell when they die.
 
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As per the requirement of God's Law or Moses Law, the Lord Jesus Christ was sacrificed on the Cross as the Lamb of God, in order to atone for Adam's Original Sin
Where are you getting that from?
 
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Where are you getting that from?
HEBREWS.9: =
The Heavenly Sanctuary
11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. 12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
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9 Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! 11 Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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I guess I was hung up on your use of "requirement" when I see "gift" and "His own volition". To me that changes a lot. Also....I may be missing something....but I don't see anything about "atoning for Adam's sin" in there (specifically).


15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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