Yes we note your c&p spam posts.Actually I do. That is why I respond to most posts here with scripture. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.
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Yes we note your c&p spam posts.Actually I do. That is why I respond to most posts here with scripture. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.
You don't recognize a direct reference to the ten commandments? Surely you're putting us on.All I see is your words over God's WORD. Do you have any scripture?
He did. And like you didn't make any direct comment on the posted Scripture.Why are you not able to respond to the whole post above yours? I can understand, there is a lot of scripture that disagrees with your teaching that people can be saved while CONTINUING in KNOWN unrepentant sin
The word is defined as the rules and requirements of the law of Moses; carrying a suggestion of severity and of threatened judgmentHello David, thanks for your post.
You are quoting the wrong greek word. The GREEK quoted above from the OP is from the GREEEK word used for "ORDINANCE" in Colossians 2:14. Here is the word for word from the GREEK STRONGS Dictionary..
Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G1378; ORDINANCE; δόγμα; dogma;
dog'-mah From the base of G1380; a law; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical: - decree, ordinance.
Hope this helps.
I think he's grabbing bits and pieces linking them together.
You're trying to change words.Simply and only that the GREEK Word for ORDINANCE as used G1378; meaning; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law from COL 2 :14 comes from G1380 nothing more.
Hope that helps.
You're confused and trying to confuse us. Your post is self contradictory.Well that is not true.
THE Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G1378; ORDINANCE; δόγμα; dogma;
dog'-mah From the base of G1380; a law; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical: - decree, ordinance.
The CONTEXT of COL 2 is the CEREMONIAL laws in relation to CIRCUMCISION and SHADOW laws and the reason for adding this to the OP was to show COL 2 is not talking about the 10 Commandments as being SHADOW laws but the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES were from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.
This is what COL 2 is discussing hence the GREEK dictionaries use of ORDINANCE which means the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL of ECCLESIASTICAL laws which is in reference to the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and the SHADOW laws for remission of sin which is the CONEXT and subject matter of COL 2.
Hope this helps.
There really is no call to analysis of all the references.The words "cheirografon toiV dogmasin" never mean "certificate of debt" in scripture [and that is not a literal equivalency, and even more than a 'dynamic', but truly someone's own private [incorrect] paraphrase]
cheirografon – G5498 N-ASN
toiV – G3588 T-DPN
dogmasin – G1378 N-DPN
The word "cheirografon" literally means "cheiro" [hand] & "grafon" [writing]:
See "cheiro" [translated as “hand” 89 times or “hands” 90 times, per KJC] - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G5495&t=KJB
See "grafon" [translated as “written” 121 times, or “write” 50 times, or “wrote” 21 times, or “describeth” 1 time or “writing” 1 time, per KJC] - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1125&t=KJB
And do not merely take any concordance definition, but simply utilize the concordance to look at all the Bible passages to see how the word is defined and used in scripture itself [as per Isaiah 28:10; 1 Corinthians 2:13 KJB, etc].
The word "toiV" can have several uses in scripture [KJB], and in this instance means "of" - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588&t=KJB
The word "dogmasin" literally means "dogma" [see Websters 1828 for helpful def., but always remember to define scripture by scripture] which comes to be:
[1] "decrees" [Luke 2:1; Acts 16:4, 17:7] and,
[2] "ordinances" [Ephesians 2:15; Colossians 2:14] - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1378&t=KJB
The related word in the very same passage of Colossians 2, is "dogmatizesthe":
Colossians 2:20 KJB Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Yet we know that the Ten Commandments are not of this earth/world, not carnal, but of Heaven, spiritual:
Exodus 20:22 KJB And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
Romans 7:14 KJB For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
These are the carnal ordinances, even the law of commandments in ordinances, even the handwritten ordinances [by Moses] imposed upon Israel back in the books of Moses. It is not anyone ones sins here, for these "ordinances" were for the "worldly sanctuary" to do its service, and for sacrifices, etc, see also Ezekiel 43:18
And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These [are] the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon. Ezekiel 43:18
Luke 1:6 makes mention again of these, as other passages:
Luke 1:6 "And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."
Numbers 9:12 "They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it."
2 Chronicles 33:8 "... take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses."
These refer to things, even as found in Numbers 9:3 KJB
Numbers 9:3 KJB In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it.
In fact, when looking at the context of Colossians 2, in the handwritten [by Moses] “ordinances” thereof, we read nothing of the Ten Commandments, but only of things pertaining to the earthly sanctuary and its services, in carnal things, that came afterwards under the Levitical priesthood.
See also for further detail:
What? I cited [Link] 1 Timothy 2:5 KJB in reference to Jesus being the New Man, "the man", which is a link to 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 KJB, which I also cited, which links back to Mark 2:27 KJB in a greater fulfillment, then the post continued:No Jesus isn't Israel. Your reference to 1 Timothy 2:5 doesn't even come close to proof. You might be better with 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
This passage says Jesus is from heaven not Israel. It' true that Jesus is a descendant of Israel. Jesus isn't Israel, plain and simple.
Israel is the shadow, not the reality.What? I cited [Link] 1 Timothy 2:5 KJB in reference to Jesus being the New Man, "the man", which is a link to 1 Corinthians 15:44-46 KJB, which I also cited, which links back to Mark 2:27 KJB in a greater fulfillment, then the post continued:
"... Here is the evidence from scripture [KJB] in irrefutable facts - [Link] & [Link] & [Link] & [Link] & [Link] ..."
That Jesus is Israel, I clearly cited [Link] Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1; Romans 9:6-8, etc.
First of all, citing the corrupted Jerome's vulgate [he himself addmitted to altering the text, the original vulgate, Vetus latina - the 'Italic', under orders, look it up - [Link]] of the Roman Catholic church is not gonna get you very far, but more importantly, the word in the Koine Greek, is not "the decree", singular. It is clearly plural:The following New Testament translation took place in the fourth century, while Koine Greek was still the common language. So the Bible translators knew exactly how to translate the Koine Greek because they spoke it.
Colossians 2:14 (Latin Vulgate, fourth century)
And wiping away the handwriting of the decree which was against us, which was contrary to us. And he has taken this away from your midst, affixing it to the Cross.
Jesus is the true Israel. The peoples Israel were the shadow.Israel is the shadow, not the reality.
For fifteen hundred years the only Bible translation was the Vulgate.Jesus is the true Israel. The peoples Israel were the shadow.