COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

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What's your agruement about what the covenant is? I referenced Deuteronomy 4:13 which says it is written on stone. I'll even quote it for you:

And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

If you disagree with this verse you disagree and disbelieve what you call Scripture. I rest my case with facts.
Indeed. "His covenant" or "My covenant" is the eternal covenant. It is not the 'old covenant', "All that the Lord hath said we will do". You simply read that into the text, eisegetically and apriorily. I demonstrated the difference between the two, on several occasions now.
 
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... if your studies involve Ellen White, ...
See what I mean. Literally foaming at the mouth to mention her name every chance they get. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth 'foameth' ...
 
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...7th wrote:

The Law of God [the Ten Commandments] are JEHOVAH's very character, His very Heart [Psalms 40:8KJB,
My God, I have come to do what you want.
Your law is in my heart.”


FRom that verse you are able to tell us the 10 cs are the character of God??? That certainly reeks of Ellen White. It is a ludicrous statement. ...
No, I demonstrated from Exodus 33:12-23, Exodus 34:1-8, Exodus 20:5-6 KJB previously. I also included Psalms 40:8 KJB, which is given in the context of Jesus Christ, Psalms 40:7,9-10 KJB. Notice the righteousness in His heart, then turn to Psalms 119:172 KJB.

Psalms 40:8 KJB - I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.​

Where is the Law of God in the Temple? It is in the Most Holy Place, within the Ark of the Covenant, Deuteronomy 10:2 KJB, etc.

Jesus stated that He was the Temple, John 2:19; Revelation 21:22 KJB.

Therefore, the "Ark" is a symbolic representation of the Heart of Jesus, the Heart of Israel, the Heart of God. In that "Ark" of His Heart, is His Character, His Law, see previous Exodus verses.

Thus out of the abundance of His heart, He magnified the Law and made it honourable.
 
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LoveGodsWord said:
Yet if you do not know the letter of the law how can you know the SPIRIT of the law? :)

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD. (Romans 10:17)

You're not considering anything we post.

Indeed. You have not presented scripture to correctly divide the WORD of truth. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.
 
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LoveGodsWord said:
Well that has no truth in it please show scripture that says Sunday is the LORDS DAY?

John is referring to Jesus as the CREATOR GOD (John 1:1-14) when using the phrase "Lord's day" As creator he created all the days in the week but it was the SEVENTH DAY that Jesus made HOLY. Hence in the scriptures we read...

MATTHEW 12:8 [8], The son of man is LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY = THE LORDS DAY = Therefore, John was in the Spirit on the SABBATH DAY (LORD'S DAY).

John used the term "LORDS DAY" to refer to Jesus as the CREATOR GOD or God of creation.

This is a term the Jews rejected because they did not accept Jesus as the Messaiah or the God of creation.

Hope this helps.

Since you will accept nothing but agreement with you there's absolutely no reason to even cover this again.

Should read; will accept nothing but agreement to the WORD OF GOD. I see you have not presented anything but your own words.
 
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LoveGodsWord said:
Now listed,

You have made three separate posts above, and all your doing is talking very small sections out of larger posts sent you supported by scripture that disagree with you to make up strawmen arguments I am not even talking about.

Please show what it is in my posts that you disagree with and prove why you disagree from scripture alone. If you cannot it only proves your error.

So you make a dodge post once again rather than discuss the meaning of the word new. Truly Solomon spoke the truth when he said there's nothing new under the sun. Since you refuse to discuss what I post as requested there's no debate. You take this to mean you're correct. ehehehe

Not at all you have not presented anything you shownig I am in error and presented no scriptures to support your teaching. This only shows your error.
 
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LoveGodsWord said:
Amazing, you are indeed making things up. I have answered all your questions until yesterday (my time) because you refuse to respond to the posts and the scriptures and questions sent you that disagree with you.

Now I ask you then if what you are saying is true then please prove it if you cannot it only proves your error and that you are indeed making things up and saying things now that have no basis in truth.

Then I put out an invitation to you more then once saying I will continue answering your questions if you agree to respond to my posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you as well as the questions that are asked of you and you decline.

I am still waiting for you to accept my invitation. Do you agree or not?

It is not me bearing false witness me friend it is indeed you because you have no scripture to support your teachings that break the commandments of God.

And you do the same to Marco70.

Prove it :). That is not true at all.
 
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You're not considering anything we post.

Actually I do. That is why I respond to most posts here with scripture. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.
 
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Is your claim we haven't read the law? Is it your claim we don't know and understand it's wrong to lie (bear false witness? Get real.

All I see is your words over God's WORD. Do you have any scripture?
 
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LoveGodsWord said:
Hi 1stcenturylady :),

Yes I am aware that some believe that they are saved in their sins. I do not believe this at all and it is a teaching that is against God's WORD.

But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when(even when) we were dead in transgressions/sin – it is by grace you have been saved. Eph2:5

Amen :oldthumbsup:.

ROMANS 3:23 [23], All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

ROMANS 6:1-2 [1], What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer in it?

When(when) you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ.
Col2:13

Amen :oldthumbsup:.

ROMANS 6:2
[2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer in it?

ROMANS 8:10 [10], And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners,(among the sinners) doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a law-breaker. Gal2:17&18

Amen :oldthumbsup:

GALATIANS 2:17-18
[17], But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. [18], For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

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1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 JOHN 3:3-10 [3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [9], Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

JOHN 8:31-36 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. [33], They answered him, We are Abraham's descendants, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free? [34], Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin. [35], And the servant abides not in the house forever: but the Son abides ever. [36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

HEBREWS 10:26-27
[26], For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

HEBREWS 6:4-8 [4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come, [6], If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. [7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes often upon it, and brings forth plants fit for them by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God: [8], But that which bears thorns and briars is worthless, and is near unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

JAMES 2:8-12 [8], If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

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CONCLUSION: God's WORD disagrees with you that those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are in the saved state before God.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

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1 JOHN 3:3-10 [3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [9], Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
Well ok, lets just concentrate on the above.

Did the Corinthian church, which Paul stated was the church of God commit sin?

Hmmmmm, methinks LGW might pass here
 
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Well ok, lets just concentrate on the above.

Did the Corinthian church, which Paul stated was the church of God commit sin?

Hmmmmm, methinks LGW might pass here

Why are you not able to respond to the whole post above yours? I can understand, there is a lot of scripture that disagrees with your teaching that people can be saved while CONTINUING in KNOWN unrepentant sin
 
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GALATIANS 2:17-18 [17], But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. [18], For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

CONCLUSION:

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Why does Paul state he would make himself a transgressor?
If Paul rebuilt, that which he has destroyed(righteousness of observing the law), he would simply prove he was a lawbreaker/sinner

Conclusion:

Quoting the letter without understanding what is written brings errant conclusions!
 
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Why are you not able to respond to the whole post above yours? I can understand, there is a lot of scripture that disagrees with your teaching that people can be saved while CONTINUING in KNOWN unrepentant sin
I did respond to it, and proved you to be in error, yet again
 
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Why are you not able to respond to the whole post above yours? I can understand, there is a lot of scripture that disagrees with your teaching that people can be saved while CONTINUING in KNOWN unrepentant sin
He passed
 
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Such is the answer of one who has nothing to actually respond with in serious exegesis.
Oh, I do respond and you cannot deny the responses. My responses are the result of allowing the Holy Spirit to guide me. I see that you instead are allowing the words of the SDA more than a prophet to guide you. Too bad you are caught up in that tangle.
 
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Lets take another one:


ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.



.[/QUOTE]
In the preceding ten verses Paul has stated:
The Christian has no righteousness/justification of observing the law, they have righteousness apart from the law, and he kept stressing it. Now what would some of his readers have thought?
'Well if I am righteous apart from observing the law I can act as I like, it doesn't matter how I live my life.'
So Paul wrote verse 31 to correct those under such an impression. Of course, verse 31 relies on you believing in righteousness apart from observing the law. Something, in truth lgw disagrees with. For he believes you can only be in a saved state if you observe the law. Therefore, being righteous before God hinges on observing the law, something Paul repeatedly states is impossible.
 
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ROMANS 8:10 [10], And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.





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Amen :oldthumbsup:.

ROMANS 3:23 [23], All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

ROMANS 6:1-2 [1], What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer in it?



Amen :oldthumbsup:.

ROMANS 6:2
[2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer in it?

ROMANS 8:10 [10], And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.



Amen :oldthumbsup:

GALATIANS 2:17-18
[17], But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. [18], For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

....................

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 JOHN 3:3-10 [3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [9], Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

JOHN 8:31-36 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. [33], They answered him, We are Abraham's descendants, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free? [34], Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin. [35], And the servant abides not in the house forever: but the Son abides ever. [36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

HEBREWS 10:26-27
[26], For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

HEBREWS 6:4-8 [4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come, [6], If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. [7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes often upon it, and brings forth plants fit for them by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God: [8], But that which bears thorns and briars is worthless, and is near unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

JAMES 2:8-12 [8], If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

................

CONCLUSION: God's WORD disagrees with you that those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are in the saved state before God.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

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Lets take another one:
. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.


Therefore, either you are perfect in your flesh/sinless, or, you are guilty of breaking the entire law.
 
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