Does a Sinner Need to DO Anything to Get Saved?

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I have recently began to study the Greek and Hebrew words and definitions. I agree there are many bad translations from the original text to English.
Good. Concentrate on the Hebrew, because even in the Greek text, the underlying Hebrew becomes evident in many places.
 
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Jesus Christ gives the best definition for "repent", when He says in Luke 24:47, "Repentance FOR the forgiveness of sins..." (best Greek textual evidence)., where the Greek preposition, εἰς, has the meaning, "towards". Repentance results in the forgiveness of sins, without which, no sinner can be saved!

If I’m not mistaken the word repent in the NT is translated from the Greek word metanoia meaning a change of mind or way of life or a change in direction or turning away from something.
 
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Except HE was not speaking Greek. He would have been using the Aramaic equivalent to Teshuva, (repentance) which simply means to turn around and go back the way you came.

The passage I have quoted from Ezekiel in the OP, shows that the OT Hebrew of "turn from", is the equivalent to "repent", as it deals with personal sins. 1 Thess 1:9, "how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God". Which is what the Bible says as a whole
 
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Good. Concentrate on the Hebrew, because even in the Greek text, the underlying Hebrew becomes evident in many places.

You cannot say "Concentrate on the Hebrew", when studying the NT, because it was originally written in Greek, not Hebrew, with the possibility of Matthew.
 
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If I’m not mistaken the word repent in the NT is translated from the Greek word metanoia meaning a change of mind or way of life or a change in direction or turning away from something.

1 Thess. 1:9 defines this quite well "turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God", which is true repentance.
 
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Mark 1:15, God Incarnate, the Lord Jesus Christ, says very clearly to those who will listen, "REPENT and BELIEVE in the Gospel". And, in Luke 24:47, "REPENTANCE for the FORGIVENESS of sins is to be preached...". Acts 2:38, "REPENT", etc, etc. Are your arguing that the Lord Jesus is wrong?

No I wasn't arguing that at all. I wasn't even arguing period I just asked why it doesn't fit with the rest of the Bible. That's all. Especially when Jesus said he won't lose a single believer in John 6:37-40. I believe repentance to be a requirement for salvation. I was just asking HOW.
 
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No I wasn't arguing that at all. I wasn't even arguing period I just asked why it doesn't fit with the rest of the Bible. That's all. Especially when Jesus said he won't lose a single believer in John 6:37-40. I believe repentance to be a requirement for salvation. I was just asking HOW.

simply put, the Bible does not record every single conversation that took place in all of its details. We have to compare Scripture with Scripture, to arrive at what it teaches as a whole. It is certain that both repentance and faith are required for any sinner to get saved. This is the teaching in both Testaments, though not always in the same places.
 
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He died under the Mosaic Covenant, not the New Covenant. His example bears no impact on the New Covenant believer.

Not sure about that. Christ died before the thief. There is no eternal life under the Mosaic Covenant, but those under the Mosaic Covenant (according to the writer of Hebrews) looked forward to the New Covenant.
 
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He died under the Mosaic Covenant, not the New Covenant. His example bears no impact on the New Covenant believer.

Hebrews 8:13, says, "In speaking of a New Covenant, he makes the First one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away"
 
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"Actually the thief was able to do works". the ONLY "works" that the thief of the cross DID, was his repenting of his sins, and acknowledgement of Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour.

And those do not fall under what Paul is talking about with regard to "work."

Many will say to me on that day, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?" -- Matthew 7

These are people who did "works" under the impression that they created an obligation of the Lord to save them.
 
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Hebrews 8:13, says, "In speaking of a New Covenant, he makes the First one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away"

And I would say that "what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" refers to the period between the crucifixion and the destruction of the temple in 70AD.

Until the temple was destroyed, it was still possible for Jews to follow the Mosaic Law in atoning for sin through the blood of sacrifices. After the destruction of the temple, the only blood by which sin can be atoned is the blood of Jesus.
 
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And I would say that "what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" refers to the period between the crucifixion and the destruction of the temple in 70AD.

Until the temple was destroyed, it was still possible for Jews to follow the Mosaic Law in atoning for sin through the blood of sacrifices. After the destruction of the temple, the only blood by which sin can be atoned is the blood of Jesus.

The New Testament is the Cross of Jesus Christ, as you can see from the institution of the Lord's Supper in the Gospels, "for this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matthew 26:28).
 
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You cannot say "Concentrate on the Hebrew", when studying the NT, because it was originally written in Greek, not Hebrew, with the possibility of Matthew.
Of course I can say that. The writers of the NT, no matter which language they actually wrote in, were native Hebrew and/or Aramaic speakers and thinkers. Even the best NT Greek scholars will tell you the grammar and word order is better suited to someone doing a word by word translation from Aramaic rather than someone fluent in Greek.
 
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And I would say that "what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away" refers to the period between the crucifixion and the destruction of the temple in 70AD.
Maybe. We are given no such biblical information.

It may STILL be in effect.
 
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Hebrews 8:13, says, "In speaking of a New Covenant, he makes the First one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away"
I have no idea how that impacts anyone who died under the Mosaic covenant.
 
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Of course I can say that. The writers of the NT, no matter which language they actually wrote in, were native Hebrew and/or Aramaic speakers and thinkers. Even the best NT Greek scholars will tell you the grammar and word order is better suited to someone doing a word by word translation from Aramaic rather than someone fluent in Greek.

I notice that the definition of the Hebrew word for repent is much different than the Greek. It is more similar to the secular definition we have today. Remorse or regret.
 
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I notice that the definition of the Hebrew word for repent is much different than the Greek. It is more similar to the secular definition we have today. Remorse or regret.
Not sure where you got your def from, but the Hebrew teshuva does not have anything to do with feeling anything, including remorse or regret. It simply means to turn around and go the other way. It is a decision concerning outward action. It is based on the root word shub, which means "turn."

Yes, it is different than Metanoin, the Greek word, which means to change your mind.
 
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Where does Paul say that? I must be blanking on the passage.

Either way, “obligating” God to salvation is obviously impossible, as you say. But we participate in the process.
And resurrected AFTER the thief died.

If we presume that the Paradise Jesus spoke of to the thief is the same state He spoke of regarding Abraham and Lazarus in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, then Jesus found the thief there along with Abraham.

Everyone's salvation to resurrection and eternal life is dependent on the blood of Jesus, whether he died before or after Jesus.
 
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