COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

[1stcenturylady]

Is it not better, to encourage others, rather than crush them. Yes, I know you like to often state you do not commit wilfull sin, you are at a level in your Christianity others have not reached, you were ONCE where you believe others are now, etc. That doesn't sound very loving to me, other words spring to mind, but...

Taking 1 John 1:8 and teaching the youth they are doomed to sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, is not the true gospel. Jesus was manifest to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin, because He gives us His powerful Holy Spirit. If you continually walk in the Spirit you won't sin. But, you do have the ability to quench the Spirit, which is why Paul told us not to. The suffering associated with quenching the Spirit teaches us not stop and be a true witness.

 

[Marco70]

but...

Good, you're learning.

I'm not sure I am. Jesus was not so hesitant when faced with religious people who did not practice what they preached/#/people who crushed others with demands they did not even try and keep.

 

[1stcenturylady]

BTW
If you are led by the Spirit greatly, why do you say Christians do not commit wilfull sin? Paul believed the Corinthians were the church of God, he said so, they most certainly committed wilfull sin. I say thios sincerely. Was Paul not as filled with the Spirit as you are so he made a false judgement?
And why, in opposition to Christ's own words did you claim the Pharisees obeyed the TC when they did not?
It seems to me, you may not be led of the Spirit as much as you imagine you are

Because it IS possible to NOT quench the Spirit and never commit another willful sin. What you espouse to teach in the erroneous name of love causes apathy toward sin. "Oh, everybody sins."

 

[1stcenturylady]

I'm not sure I am. Jesus was not so hesitant when faced with religious people who did not practice what they preached/#/people who crushed others with demands they did not even try and keep.

Another false witness. It is better than what you teach. Paul reached for the prize, of the high calling. That's what I teach, and now do.

 

[Marco70]

Taking 1 John 1:8 and teaching the youth they are doomed to sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, is not the true gospel. Jesus was manifest to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin, because He gives us His powerful Holy Spirit. If you continually walk in the Spirit you won't sin. But, you do have the ability to quench the Spirit, which is why Paul told us not to. The suffering associated with quenching the Spirit teaches us not stop and be a true witness.

Well Paul, as you know stated he was not perfect, so I assume, he was not in as holy a state as you claim to be. Yes, there was no sin in Jesus, do you claim to be as perfect as he was? Of course, if we ceaselessly follow after the Spirit we would never sin
IE
We wouldn't pontificate before others would we, we would want to lift them up, not put them down

 

[Marco70]

Another false witness. It is better than what you teach. Paul reached for the prize, of the high calling. That's what I teach, and now do.

What is false about my statement, please explain

 

[1stcenturylady]

So when a person first gets saved satan forces them to sin, is that correct?

Satan would love to undo that first step. But greater is He that is in them, than Satan.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Well Paul, as you know stated he was not perfect, so I assume, he was not in as holy a state as you claim to be. Yes, there was no sin in Jesus, do you claim to be as perfect as he was? Of course, if we ceaselessly follow after the Spirit we would never sin
IE
We wouldn't pontificate before others would we, we would want to lift them up, not put them down

You put yourself down by revealing your heart. It looks like you are entrapped by the spirit of the accuser of the brethren, so you are going on ignore. Satan can speak freely through you now. Have at it.

 

[Marco70]

Taking 1 John 1:8 and teaching the youth they are doomed to sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, sin, repent, is not the true gospel. Jesus was manifest to take away our sin, and in Him there is no sin, because He gives us His powerful Holy Spirit. If you continually walk in the Spirit you won't sin. But, you do have the ability to quench the Spirit, which is why Paul told us not to. The suffering associated with quenching the Spirit teaches us not stop and be a true witness.

In your view, it is more preferable to tell a teenager if they commit sin they are of the devil and have never known Christ?
You see, you wouldn't do that would you, so there is a world of difference between the reality of your life, and what you state here

 

[Marco70]

You put yourself down by revealing your heart.

Well, you are not responding to any points made, just maligning/accusing me.
What was that about showing ones heart?

 

[Marco70]

You put yourself down by revealing your heart. It looks like you are entrapped by the spirit of the accuser of the brethren, so you are going on ignore. Satan can speak freely through you now. Have at it.

And you accuse me of being judgemental?

But, the religious of Jesus day, who did not practice what they preached, accused Jesus of being possessed by Beelzebub

 

[Dig4truth]

Study on I John

Part 1

vv.5-10 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.


First to notice is that in Him (Yeshua) there is no darkness at all.

Second is that "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us".

So there is a clear distinction between us and the Messiah. He is without sin and we have all committed sins.

Lastly, if we confess our sins we can be forgiven.


To recap, He is sinless, we are not, but He will forgive us our sins if we confess them.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Study on I John

Part 1

vv.5-10 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.


First to notice is that in Him (Yeshua) there is no darkness at all.

Second is that "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us".

So there is a clear distinction between us and the Messiah. He is without sin and we have all committed sins.

Lastly, if we confess our sins we can be forgiven.


To recap, He is sinless, we are not, but He will forgive us our sins if we confess them.

That is the first step. Jesus has now cleansed you from all your past sins. What does Jesus do for His own so they won't sin again?

 

[Marco70]

Another false witness. It is better than what you teach. Paul reached for the prize, of the high calling. That's what I teach, and now do.

It is such a pity you do not understand the NC, or the outworking of its application in a believers life. No truly born again Christian in their heart wants to live a life of sin, for that is where the law has been placed, in their heart. Its a great pity your minister obviously does not teach this from the pulpit. Every true born again Christian is only too acutely aware of their shortcomings, and does not want them. Many have given up with the faith, believing they could not be good enough for God. They are the people I am most concerned for. And when others come along, pontificating, and making out they do not commit sin, and telling these poor people if they commit sin they are of the devil and have never been born again, it turns my stomach to be honest. There is certainly no love in it, no compassion towards others, but that is never the priority if truth be told

 

[Marco70]

Study on I John

Part 1

vv.5-10 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.


First to notice is that in Him (Yeshua) there is no darkness at all.

Second is that "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us".

So there is a clear distinction between us and the Messiah. He is without sin and we have all committed sins.

Lastly, if we confess our sins we can be forgiven.


To recap, He is sinless, we are not, but He will forgive us our sins if we confess them.

May I ask you? If a child was raised by parents, who, if the child infringed the rules threw him out of the house until he earnestly repented, what kind of parents do you think they would be?

 

[Dig4truth]

Study on I John

Part 2

vv.1-6 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.


We are encouraged to not sin v.1.

If we sin we have an Advocate with the Father v.1

Yeshua is the propitiation of our sins v.2 (propitiation has a meaning of an atoning sacrifice)

A test to know if we know Him is if we obey Him (keep His commandments) v.3

A test to know if someone does not know Him is if they do not keep His commandments. v.4

We should walk (live out) our lives as the Master did. v.6

 

[Dig4truth]

May I ask you? If a child was raised by parents, who, if the child infringed the rules threw him out of the house until he earnestly repented, what kind of parents do you think they would be?

I don't have kids, ask someone else.

 

[Marco70]

I don't have kids, ask someone else.

I understand, you don't want to answer the question

 

[Marco70]

I will answer the question posed in post 2495. We would all consider such parents sadistic, cruel, and unloving. Yet, some teach that is how God treats his children/those who come to him

 

[Dig4truth]

Study on 1 John

Part 3

vv.7-14 Beloved, I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard. 8 On the other hand, I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true Light is already shining. 9 The one who says he is in the Light and yet hates his brother is in the darkness until now. 10 The one who loves his brother abides in the Light and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name’s sake. 13 I am writing to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I have written to you, children, because you know the Father. 14 I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.


In verses 7-8 we see a tension between an old commandment and a new one. What is meant by this?

The simplest answer is that it is a commandment that was old but now that Messiah has come it is new in the sense that it is fulfilled in Him. The actuality of the reality has been brought to pass. This is revealed by the phrase "which is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true Light is already shining".

This "true light" is evidenced by love v.9.

Love opens the eyes and sees as He does v.10-11.

John is writing to the little ones to encourage them that their sins have been forgiven v.12

John is writing to the elders (fathers) because they know the Messiah who has been from the beginning v.13

John writes to the young men to encourage them of their strength and that the Word of God abides in them v.13

He encourages each group because of their knowledge of the Father, their strength, that the Word of God abides in them and that they have overcome the evil one vv.12-14