If the United States is Babylon...

[Stonehaven]

This kind of sounds like a place to me. Sounds like a rich superpower that gets wiped out by an alliance against it.

I hope you are right.

 

[Stonehaven]

I'm thinking Canada won't be that much different than the US.

Agreed. I think that all of those countries could well be described as a "ten headed monster" since they all have "one mind".

All of them are either willing or reluctantly under the political influence and leadership of the U.S.

America is the beast of course, which is clearly mentioned in V13:-

Revelation 17:12-13
12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.

 

[Stonehaven]

Babylon is not just a geographic location but refers to the whole worldly system. The saints are warned to come out of the system and not participate in her sins.

Agreed. The bold type means that Babylon is still a geographic location, such that the entire worldly system is centred on America.

Satan is still the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4) and everybody is under the sway of the Evil one (1 John 5:19); but the Wicked one would eventually be driven out when Christ returns (John 12:31).

However, Satan does not rule the earth directly, but he rules by proxy by controlling the most powerful countries such as America et al - Since the rest of the world are under the sway of America and the G8 etc.

Thus, America is the de facto "Throne of Satan", which the Devil will use to rule the entire earth.

So, although "Babylon" is still the "whole worldly system", that system is still centred on America.

In the final analysis, America is still the global centre of Satan's empire over the entire earth.

 

[Stonehaven]

You have to come out of the culture and identity of what makes one a "Babylonian." We are to be citizens of Jerusalem first, and strangers/visitors of a foreign land.

True, but Scripture tells us that there will be more Babylonians than the citizens of Jerusalem.

For many are called, but few are chosen - Matthew 7:13-14, 22:14 - Which implies that those who are lost will surpass the few who are saved.

 

[Stonehaven]

I don't disagree with you that the church is also a part of Babylon as the church is part of the system. The coming one-world gov't is also representative of "the system" and I don't think you want to be a part of that do you?

This one world government is coterminous with the Millennial kingdom, but the sinless new heaven and earth won't be established until after the Tribulation on earth (Isaiah 24:5-6, Revelation 20:9) and the Last Judgement in heaven (Revelation 20:11-15, 21:8).

By definition, the sinless New Jerusalem (or Utopia) cannot be established until all the evil people have been identified, gathered and burned. Matthew 13:40-42

Matthew 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

 

[akaDaScribe]

I hope you are right.

I hope I'm wrong.
This is the land of my people back many generations.
But whether its the Harlet or just part of the machine, I have a feeling the US is all kinds hard core into it.

 

[Stonehaven]

Are you saying that you are totally unaware of the false church that is associated with the false prophet who is partner to the beast ?

According to 1 John 5:19, 2 Corinthians 4:4 and John 12:31 all of the existing Churches are said to be "false", until Jesus returns to establish the true Church of Christ.

 

[Stonehaven]

I hope I'm wrong.
This is the land of my people back many generations.
But whether its the Harlet or just part of the machine, I have a feeling the US is all kinds hard core into it.

Then your purpose is to disprove this theory?

 

[akaDaScribe]

Then your purpose is to disprove this theory?

Nah, I'll take the truth over what I want to hear every time.

 

[Stonehaven]

Nah, I'll take the truth over what I want to hear every time.

Since we know that wishful thinking is a fallacy of reasoning...

Because I don't like my doctor's diagnosis of terminal cancer doesn't mean to say that he is incorrect.

 

[chevyontheriver]

And God says come out of her my people...
Where the heck could we go?

Won't be able to go to Mexico after the wall is built.

 

[Kaon]

True, but Scripture tells us that there will be more Babylonians than the citizens of Jerusalem.

For many are called, but few are chosen - Matthew 7:13-14, 22:14 - Which implies that those who are lost will surpass the few who are saved.

I do feel some way about American-Centric doom. Babylon is a spiritual residence. There are more Babylonians than citizens of Jerusalem now - both the ones who call themselves Jews, and the ones who don't know they are Hebrew.

Most everyone on this planet is a resident of Sodom, Egypt or Babylon. American isn't special in that regard. It will just be the most signaling - since it is a "prosperous nation" seen from around the world.



The number lost has always surpassed the number saved; that is the consequence of carnality, and the necessity therefore of God's remnant.

 

[Stonehaven]

The number lost has always surpassed the number damned; that is the consequence of carnality, and the necessity therefore of God's remnant.

But what you really meant to say is that "the numbers who are lost have always surpassed those who are saved".

 

[Kaon]

But what you really meant to say is that "the numbers who are lost have always surpassed those who are saved".

Yes saved.

 

[Abraxos]

Hi Abraxos,

The final Global Government consists of three aspects - Political, Economic and Religious.

The Political aspect is described as the `beast` consisting of the lion, (British Commonwealth & USA) the bear (Russian Federation) and the leopard, (EU) and controlled by the 10 kings, (of Islam). The global capital is the city of rebuilt Babylon.

The religious (woman) and economic aspect are also housed in Babylon. The religious (false)aspect will get done away with by the 10 kings/leaders of Islam and the economic area in that city will get dealt with by God when He utterly destroys the city of Babylon.

Marilyn.

Like I said, you'd have to disregard Bible passages and Christian history (especially the martyrs) for this to fit into Bible prophecy.

Concerning this final global government -- I completely disagree with this interpretation of the four beasts that Daniel saw, and I disagree with the ten kings being of Islam. I assume you accept the NWO is based on the "sustainable development agenda," which is run by the G7 nations (the seven heads of the beast), this I disagree with. I do not see how you can fit Japan into the 'beast that looked like a leopard' (EU) (Dan 7:6), among other biblical issues.

I also disagree with your last component for a global government. No to religious, yes to political, yes to economic, and yes to natural and social environments. The goal of the "sustainable development agenda" is to divide the world into ten regions and monitor their environmental and economical structure by mandating a compulsory control system onto the populous. Biometric ID implants for a cashless society is commonly considered. Dividing the world into "10 Super Nations" was first brought up by the Club of Rome to promote new policy initiatives and action onto a world ripe for a one world governing body. Perhaps this is the "10 horns of the beast" (Rev 17:12-13), as that would seem to be more clear if I took that road than Islam being the ten kings?

 

[akaDaScribe]

Like I said, you'd have to disregard Bible passages and Christian history (especially the martyrs) for this to fit into Bible prophecy.

Concerning this final global government -- I completely disagree with this interpretation of the four beasts that Daniel saw, and I disagree with the ten kings being of Islam. I assume you accept the NWO is based on the "sustainable development agenda," which is run by the G7 nations (the seven heads of the beast), this I disagree with. I do not see how you can fit Japan into the 'beast that looked like a leopard' (EU) (Dan 7:6), among other biblical issues.

I also disagree with your last component for a global government. No to religious, yes to political, yes to economic, and yes to natural and social environments. The goal of the "sustainable development agenda" is to divide the world into ten regions and monitor their environmental and economical structure by mandating a compulsory control system onto the populous. Biometric ID implants for a cashless society is commonly considered. Dividing the world into "10 Super Nations" was first brought up by the Club of Rome to promote new policy initiatives and action onto a world ripe for a one world governing body. Perhaps this is the "10 horns of the beast" (Rev 17:12-13), as that would seem to be more clear if I took that road than Islam being the ten kings?

Wow. That's a serious agenda they have. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

 

[Marilyn C]

Concerning this final global government -- I completely disagree with this interpretation of the four beasts that Daniel saw, and I disagree with the ten kings being of Islam.

Hi Abraxos,

Daniel tells us that three of those Federations (Lion with eagles wings, Bear and Leopard) all go into God`s kingdom rule in the millennium.

`As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.` (Dan. 7: 12)

The last Federation is terrifying and had trodden down the others preciously. So who do we see that is `terrifying` today?

Also if as you say the 10 kings are the 10 regional groups of the world, then how can anything be left when God deals with those 10 kings. There would be nothing left bro.

Marilyn.

 

[God bless Joshua]

There also is no reference in the Bible as to what the cross that Jesus was crucified on looked like.

It doesnt matter regarding the shape of the cross, the point is the Sacrifice of Jesus who let Himself to die for Salvation of mankind.
Matt 26:53 Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?

I'm speaking about the lies of that all seeing eye which is the eye of the devil, not of God's.

 

[Nick Moser]

Maybe the Saudis

 

[Nick Moser]

Israel?

Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God. . . . Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 3:12, 17-19