Is sex before premarital sex really sinful?

[salt-n-light]

I see, so you're making no distinction between prostitution and simply premarital sex. I suppose for me they would be completely different things which is why I don't find those verses particularly compelling. I guess we just disagree on how we look at it.

Can you make the distinction for me?

Whats the difference between prostitution and premarital sex?

 

[PaulCyp1]

The Word of God is not for particular times or places. It is as binding now as it was when first given to us by God, and will be just as binding 5,000 years from now.

 

[Halbhh]

I do realize it is condemned in the bible at all cost but some part of me just feels it was meant for that time and culture and not us. The reason I’m saying this is because during biblical times most engagements were set up by the spouses families and they weren’t allowed to meet each other until they married. Clearly this isn’t the case anymore now since dating exists and parents no longer intrudes in their children’s dating life. What I’m getting at with this is, isn’t it possible it was FAR more easier to be celibate when you already had a planned engagement at a young age? In modern times most people don’t marry strangers and marriages are decided by them not their parents based off of class or benefits like biblical times. Most people don’t even marry until they’re WAY older.

It's so much more than a handshake or even a kiss. It's actually is to help make two into one, and connects. Consider that. It's okay to marry younger than 28 or 30! I don't think 22 is too young if a person already is self sufficient. You don't have to be well to do to be happy.

 

[Tetra]

Can you make the distinction for me?

Whats the difference between prostitution and premarital sex?

Well, depending on where you are prostitution is illegal, and there is also an exchange of money for services. I wouldn't consider a young woman / man experimenting a prostitute.

 

[Tetra]

It's so much more than a handshake or even a kiss. It's actually is to help make two into one, and connects.

Not really, the meaning that is derived from sex is completely subjective. For some it's just like a handshake and that's perfectly fine.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

In a sense yes, I’ve never slept with anyone and quite frankly I’m not sure should I even date at this point.

That's fine. It's obviously your choice as to when you want to date.

Most of my friends are dating but I see no point in doing it since of the main things in relationships in modern times is sexual intimacy.

Ok. So you're saying that you see a social element as being mostly establish in our modern society, right? And why do you think our culture has devolved to a focus on mere sexual intimacy? And how does mere sexual intimacy demonstrate the presence of an actual relationship? What do we even mean by relationship in this context? My point in asking these questions isn't for you to answer them as much as it is for you to consider that some of what you're alluding to here is a bit vague.

And I’m not going to do as Paul suggest and rush into a marriage just to have sex only to regret marrying the person which would then cause another sin... DIVORCE!

I don't think you understand Paul at this point. In 1 Corinthians, Paul is addressing an issue to which the Christians in Corinth had asked him for some direction. They were having problems understanding how to balance their desire for sex, on the one hand, with their competing desire to honor the Lord with their bodies, on the other hand. All Paul was telling them was that, if they found themselves in social contexts where they indeed found other Christians with whom they would love and wish to couple, they should get married and provide themselves an honorable marriage bed. Paul was NOT saying that young, careless, unwise Christian people should just grab the first marriage shuttle bus and hop into bed with one another. There is such a thing as not having to say what should be obvious. Paul was addressing Christians, not non-Christians. Paul was also addressing Christians living in a society not so unlike ours in terms of sexual liberality; in some ways, it was probably worse--especially since Corinth was kind of like a Las Vegas of its own during Paul's time.

So, let's keep things clear and not read into the Scripture something that's not there, such as "unfairness." If anything, Paul was trying to spare his fellow Christians the confusion and heartache that is seen in the recent movie, "Lady Bird." I don't think that if you or I could have advised Christine (i.e. the character of Lady Bird) to see reality as it is, she could have avoided the pitfalls that she kept falling into.

 

[TommySoda]

That's fine. It's obviously your choice as to when you want to date.

Ok. So you're saying that you see a social element as being mostly establish in our modern society, right? And why do you think our culture has devolved to a focus on mere sexual intimacy? And how does mere sexual intimacy demonstrate the presence of an actual relationship? What do we even mean by relationship in this context? My point in asking these questions isn't for you to answer them as much as it is for you to consider that some of what your alluding to here is a bit vague.

I don't think you understand Paul at this point. In 1 Corinthians, Paul is addressing an issue to which the Christian in Corinth had asked him for some direction. They were having problems understanding how to balance their desire for sex on the one hand, but also their competing desire to honor the Lord with their bodies. All Paul was telling them was that, if they found themselves in social contexts where they indeed found other Christians with whom they would love and wish to couple, they should get married and provide themselves an honorable marriage bed. Paul was NOT saying that young, careless, unwise Christian people should just grab the first marriage shuttle bus and hop into bed with one another. There is such a thing as not having to say what should be obvious. Paul was addressing Christians, not non-Christians. Paul was also addressing Christians living in a society not so unlike ours in terms of sexual liberality; in some ways, it was probably worse--especially since Corinth was kind of like a Las Vegas of its own during Paul's time.

So, let's keep things clear and not read into the Scripture something that's not there, such as "unfairness."

So are you saying young clueless teenagers get a free pass for premarital sex? If not then yes his scripture does apply to this. Yes maybe he was talking to a specific group of people but it’s pretty clear he thought that was the idea was for everyone, that sex should only occur within marriage. What if a Christian teenage boy is battling lust and sexual thoughts? Is he to get married or have premarital sex? Because eventually one or the other is going occur. It is a fact that most people in the Bible started getting married at the time of puberty but in current culture it’s illegal to so without parent consent. What are those teenagers to do? And what I mean by a relationship is that two people sharing a bond of respect and trust that goes beyond friendship and involves romantic feelings.

 

[Neogaia777]

I do realize it is condemned in the bible at all cost but some part of me just feels it was meant for that time and culture and not us. The reason I’m saying this is because during biblical times most engagements were set up by the spouses families and they weren’t allowed to meet each other until they married. Clearly this isn’t the case anymore now since dating exists and parents no longer intrudes in their children’s dating life. What I’m getting at with this is, isn’t it possible it was FAR more easier to be celibate when you already had a planned engagement at a young age? In modern times most people don’t marry strangers and marriages are decided by them not their parents based off of class or benefits like biblical times. Most people don’t even marry until they’re WAY older.

If they cannot control themselves, let them marry...

Sex is no longer sacred anymore, when we just sleep around, whenever, when, and with whomever, whenever...

So, maybe another question should be, "Is, or should sex be something sacred?" (or holy)... And, if so, shouldn't it be between two consenting people for life, or should you not wait, or save it, for a/that certain special someone, whom you consider maybe sacred to you as well, and control yourself, or wait, or put on the brakes, till you find that out...?

I guess it would depend on whether or not sex is something sacred to you or not...?

It is for me... And I wait till I am ready and have decided to wait on it till I am ready to make a lifetime oath or commitment to that person for life, short of that other person's free will... (If they decide, not me, but them, to leave at some point, I will not stop them... I'll be hurt because I will feel I made a certain level of commitment, that they simply did not, but will not try to force them to not leave me, if they wish of so choose to...)

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I think a major part of everyone's severe depression is that sex is not considered sacred anymore...

When it loses that, it becomes pretty meaningless, and is treated as a trivial thing, and no longer satisfies or fulfills the way it use to, when it was considered or was treated as something sacred or holy...

God Bless!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

So are you saying young clueless teenagers get a free pass for premarital sex? If not then yes his scripture does apply to this. Yes maybe he was talking to a specific group of people but it’s pretty clear he thought that was the idea was for everyone, that sex should only occur within marriage. What if a Christian teenage boy is battling lust and sexual thoughts? Is he to get married or have premarital sex? Because eventually one or the other is going occur. It is a fact that most people in the Bible started getting married at the time of puberty but in current culture it’s illegal to so without parent consent. What are those teenagers to do? And what I mean by a relationship is that two people sharing a bond of respect and trust that goes beyond friendship and involves romantic feelings.

First off, where in my previous post did I specifically mention the modern idea of "teenagers" in the context of what Paul was addressing to the Corinthians? Don't play me; I do have a philosophy degree, part of which is in Ethics and Social Philosophy. I will run rings around you, so don't try to "out-Socrates" me with a snow-job of questions that no one has yet spoken about or can address all at the same time. One topic .... at.....a......time. Capisce!?

It should be enough for us to know that the overall context of the Bible is that people, any people, if they want to have sex, can do so ONLY within the specific bounds that God has provided, which is that of a loving and committed lifelong marriage relationship----and we're not talking about teenage boys who've just hit puberty and are lusting----that's a red-herring at this point.

 

[Neogaia777]

First off, where in my previous post did I specifically mention the modern idea of "teenagers" in the context of what Paul was addressing to the Corinthians? Don't play me; I do have a philosophy degree, part of which is in Ethics and Social Philosophy. I will run rings around you, so don't try to "out-Socrates" me with a snow-job of questions that no one has yet spoken about or can address all at the same time. One topic .... at.....a......time. Capisce!?

It should be enough for us to know that the overall context of the Bible is that people, any people, if they want to have sex, can do so ONLY within the specific bounds that God has provided, which is that of a loving and committed lifelong marriage relationship----and we're not talking about teenage boys who've just hit puberty and are lusting----that's a red-herring at this point.

Let the young teenage boys touch for God's sake, just advise them on how highly and important of thing actual sexual relations with another person should be, before getting anyone else's heart involved, cause that should be treated very, very seriously and like something very, very important...

Stress the high importance of sex, with especially another female, cause of the "heart"... and the severe especially emotional damage that can be done to females when it is not treated with the utmost importance, seriousness, severity, and deep respect, and sacredness, due to the severe damage not treating it as such can do to "hearts"...

God Bless!

 

[TommySoda]

First off, where in my previous post did I specifically mention the modern idea of "teenagers" in the context of what Paul was addressing to the Corinthians? Don't play me; I do have a philosophy degree, part of which is in Ethics and Social Philosophy. I will run rings around you, so don't try to "out-Socrates" me with a snow-job of questions that no one has yet spoken about or can address all at the same time. One topic .... at.....a......time. Capisce!?

It should be enough for us to know that the overall context of the Bible is that people, any people, if they want to have sex, can do so ONLY within the specific bounds that God has provided, which is that of a loving and committed lifelong marriage relationship----and we're not talking about teenage boys who've just hit puberty and are lusting----that's a red-herring at this point.

You used the word “young” which could very well apply to teenagers, remember what you said about being vague? And no it’s not a red-herring unless you’re implying that teenage boys aren’t “people”? In fact I think it’s right on topic, so I ask again what are they suppose to do? Also all my questions had something to do with each other, you’d think with a that degree that you felt the need to brag about you’d be able to properly answer them without it being “one at a time”

 

[TommySoda]

Let the young teenage boys touch for God's sake, just advise them on how highly and important of thing actual sexual relations with another person should be, before getting anyone else's heart involved, cause that should be treated very, very seriously and like something very, very important...

Stress the high importance of sex, with especially another female, cause of the "heart"... and the severe especially emotional damage that can be done to females when it is not treated with the utmost importance, seriousness, severity, and deep respect, and sacredness, due to the severe damage not treating it as such can do to "hearts"...

God Bless!

But even then, lusting is a “sin”. And I hardly know anyone who masturbates without video or imagination I’m sorry to say. I don’t mean to sound pessimistic but it sounds like either you have to be sexually repressed or married and some people just don’t end up getting married at all.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You used the word “young” which could very well apply to teenagers, remember what you said about being vague? And no it’s not a red-herring unless you’re implying that teenage boys aren’t “people”? In fact I think it’s right on topic, so I ask again what are they suppose to do? Also all my questions had something to do with each other, you’d think with a that degree that you felt the need to brag about you’d be able to properly answer them without it being “one at a time”

What are teenage boys supposed to do? Do you mean those who were living at the time of Paul, or those who, with the same general physiology, are alive today? And are we talking 13 years old boys or 19 year old boys?

 

[Neogaia777]

But even then, lusting is a “sin”. And I hardly know anyone who masturbates without video or imagination I’m sorry to say. I don’t mean to sound pessimistic but it sounds like either you have to be sexually repressed or married and some people just don’t end up getting married at all.

I know, lusting is a sin, but with all that our young people are bombarded with at a very young age today, what are our options really...?

Were really just trying to put temporary patches on leaky boats here anyway...

God Bless!

 

[salt-n-light]

Well, depending on where you are prostitution is illegal, and there is also an exchange of money for services. I wouldn't consider a young woman / man experimenting a prostitute.

Doesn't matter what illegal and legal, or whether or not it's for good and services, prostitution is selling of one's body. That's the point, when its outside marriage, you are selling yourself.

What you consider and what God states are two different things. Your body is a temple, not a laboratory. It's not yours to experiment with, its God's to dwell in.

 

[Neogaia777]

I know, lusting is a sin, but with all that our young people are bombarded with at a very young age today, what are our options really...?

Were really just trying to put temporary patches on leaky boats here anyway...

God Bless!

And tell them that a "sexual fantasy" should be and stay as just that, a "fantasy"... And should not be made a, or into reality... The damage that does to you yourself, and well, everyone really, and the/and your world, I cannot nor neither can I even begin to describe or expand or expound enough on all, the very, very great, and deep damage that does to you yourself, and to everyone, everywhere...

God Bless!

 

[TommySoda]

What are teenage boys supposed to do? Do you mean those who were living at the time of Paul, or those who, with the same general physiology, are alive today? And are we talking 13 years old boys or 19 year old boys?

13-19 the average age of teenagers and I mean now in modern times.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

13-19 the average age of teenagers and I mean now in modern times.

Wait a minute! Is this thread about masturbation or about the topic of actual human-to-human contact between an otherwise consenting man and woman? If it's the first, I'm not touching that topic.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I do realize it is condemned in the bible at all cost but some part of me just feels it was meant for that time and culture and not us.




The reason I’m saying this is because during biblical times most engagements were set up by the spouses families and they weren’t allowed to meet each other until they married. Clearly this isn’t the case anymore now since dating exists and parents no longer intrudes in their children’s dating life. What I’m getting at with this is, isn’t it possible it was FAR more easier to be celibate when you already had a planned engagement at a young age? In modern times most people don’t marry strangers and marriages are decided by them not their parents based off of class or benefits like biblical times. Most people don’t even marry until they’re WAY older.

What if we also said that regarding the Ten Commandments?
MB