Islam Allah is based on moon worship?

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You're quoting Gail Riplinger? Oh dear, Riplinger wouldn't know the truth if she walked through wild truths during the truth mating season. She is a liar.
Least we both know where we stand - opposite sides. You're always welcome to come on over to this side, but God forbid! I ever come to yours.
 
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Islam is technically a Christian heresy, taking Christianity as its starting point and then denying the divinity of Christ.
Technically, Christianity is a heresy of Judaism, taking the concept of "the Messiah" and elevating a human to divinity.

There are examples of "new" religions, which are not or only marginally based on previous religious systems... but the majority of religions take existing systems, adapt them and proclaim that they now have found and corrected the mistakes of their predecessors.
 
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Least we both know where we stand - opposite sides. You're always welcome to come on over to this side, but God forbid! I ever come to yours.
I have studied her writings for many years. Indeed, I have a 40 odd page document dealing with her deliberate mis-truths in her book "Hazardous Materials." She is a liar.
 
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I have studied her writings for many years. Indeed, I have a 40 odd page document dealing with her deliberate mis-truths in her book "Hazardous Materials." She is a liar.
Did you send it to her personally so she could consider, as the Bible said you should, instead of parading it on the internet? If not, you are not doing the Christian thing.

I have her book Hazardous Materials, and read it. Did you read it? It's on my shelf right here.
 
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Some Christian pastor told me that Allah is associated with moon worship and Diana, Isis and other female pagan goddesses? Is there any proof of it?

Not really, no. Nor more than "Easter" has anything to do with Ishtar. The human mind likes to find patterns and see links, even when what they see as a pattern is, in fact, a coincidence. Unfortunately, once people invest emotional energy into believing they see a link between things, they get really stubborn about it.

Truth is, Islam is a monotheistic religion that is largely based on the Christianity of Byzantium, which neighbored Arab lands, and with which Mohammed not only traded, but about which he heard from some of the women in his life.

The Muslims are MILITANTLY monotheistic, like the angry prophets of the Old Testament. They consider the Christian Trinity to be blasphemous polytheism, because it presumes to put a man and a spirit on a par with God. It is better to understand Islam as an extreme form of the Arian Heresy than to try to make something pagan out of it. It is not pagan, it is what Arian Christianity would be if Joshua and Jeremiah were at its head, and its laity were made up of Southern Baptists: there is no doubt expressed at any level of Islam, and Muslims will point to their book and tell you "Believe that" - as though simply willing one's self to believe anything were possible. (I say this becaus Christians do exactly the same thing and, likewise, pretend that belief is possible by just asserting that one believes.)

Islam is best understood as the proselytizing twin of Judaism, that unlike Judaism is not tribal based but, like Christianity, is based on a universal call to mankind. The Christian part of it is the leavening that makes Jesus the greatest prophet and teacher. Sunni Islam is "sola Scriptura" with the Koran, while Shiite Islam is Catholicism, centered on the Grand Ayatollah, descendant of Mohammed. Angels, demons, etc.

It's not paganism. They condemn followers of moon gods and the like. It's an extreme form of the Arian Heresy, proselytizing Judaism.
 
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Not really, no. Nor more than "Easter" has anything to do with Ishtar. The human mind likes to find patterns and see links, even when what they see as a pattern is, in fact, a coincidence. Unfortunately, once people invest emotional energy into believing they see a link between things, they get really stubborn about it.

Truth is, Islam is a monotheistic religion that is largely based on the Christianity of Byzantium, which neighbored Arab lands, and with which Mohammed not only traded, but about which he heard from some of the women in his life.

The Muslims are MILITANTLY monotheistic, like the angry prophets of the Old Testament. They consider the Christian Trinity to be blasphemous polytheism, because it presumes to put a man and a spirit on a par with God. It is better to understand Islam as an extreme form of the Arian Heresy than to try to make something pagan out of it. It is not pagan, it is what Arian Christianity would be if Joshua and Jeremiah were at its head, and its laity were made up of Southern Baptists: there is no doubt expressed at any level of Islam, and Muslims will point to their book and tell you "Believe that" - as though simply willing one's self to believe anything were possible. (I say this becaus Christians do exactly the same thing and, likewise, pretend that belief is possible by just asserting that one believes.)

Islam is best understood as the proselytizing twin of Judaism, that unlike Judaism is not tribal based but, like Christianity, is based on a universal call to mankind. The Christian part of it is the leavening that makes Jesus the greatest prophet and teacher. Sunni Islam is "sola Scriptura" with the Koran, while Shiite Islam is Catholicism, centered on the Grand Ayatollah, descendant of Mohammed. Angels, demons, etc.

It's not paganism. They condemn followers of moon gods and the like. It's an extreme form of the Arian Heresy, proselytizing Judaism.
This is probably one of the best explanations I have read on the subject. Thank you for this! I think it puts a lot of the history and beliefs into a language that most Christians can believe.
 
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Look up the word, "Jahiliyyah". It's in their own history, their own writings. Look up the deities they worshipped. You may begin by reading actual study here, from official Islamic authentic sources - https://www.christianforums.com/thr...n-of-the-desert-matthew-24-24-26-kjb.8058098/

Have you personally read their sources? I have, see below.

From the paleo-historical sources, and archeological records and their own materials. 'Allah' was a pagan moon god [hence the crescent moon [and fallen 8 pointed star] of Islam, the baal-hadad], that already existed before Muhammad [Abu al Qasim] was ever born, set up around the Kaa'ba [and hence Allah is the “Lord of the House [Kaa'ba]” [Surah Quraysh 106:1-4], and thus its Black Stone], and its 360 other gods.

In fact, Allah had three 'daughters' [the three intermediary cranes who took the ascending prayers up to heaven, also mentioned directly in the Qur'an and Islamic sources, Qur'an, Ibn Ishaq, etc.], [1] Al-Lat [female form of Al-Lah], [2] Al-Uzza [in fact others, like Waraqa bin Naufal were of the line in which a person was named after this daughter, as – 'Abdu'l-'Uzza; see Ibn Ishaq's: Life of Muhammad, page 68; paragraph 100-101] and [3] Manat, the third, the other and others like 'Hubal', 'Isaf' and 'Na'ila' [see Ibn Ishaq's Life of Muhammad, page 67; paragraph 98].

Qasim's [Muhammad, supposed [but cannot be, 4 years discrepancy, which is why Islamic sources say a woman's pregnancy can last from several months to 4-5,6 years, see Ibn Ishaq's: Life of Muhammad, pages 69-70; paragraphs 102-103, etc]] father, was 'Abdullah bin 'Abdu'l-Muttalib [see Ibn Ishaq's: Life of Muhammad], whose name means “slave of Allah” [thus Allah already existed as a pagan god, or pagan god's name], and also already existed before Muhammad, along with the war cry “Allah Ahkbar!” [Allah is greater ... [not]].

'Abdu'l-Muttalib, a pagan polytheist, prayed to the Allah of the Kaa'ba, all the while standing next to Hubal [the idol] at the Kaa'ba, casting arrows [divining], intending to sacrifice his son, next to the many other idols, named already.

Thus, “Allah” was already known and worshipped by the pagan Arabs [even by Muhammad's own tribe, the Quraish] in the so-called time of 'ignorance' [called “Jahiliya”, “times/days of ignorance”], along with other “partners” [like the daughters], and this is directly stated in the Qur'an itself:

Surah Al An'am 6:107-109, 135-137 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

“... [v.107] Had Allah willed, they would not have taken others besides Him in worship. And We have not made you a watcher over them nor are you a Wakil (disposer of affairs, guardian, trustee) over them. [v.108] And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides Allah, lest they insult Allah wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do.[1] [v.109] And they swear their strongest oaths by Allah, that if there came to them a sign, they would surely believe therein. Say: “Signs are but with Allah and what will make you (Muslims) perceive that (even) if it (the sign) came, they will not believe?” … … [v.135] Say (O Muhammad): “O my people! Work according to you way, surely, I too am working (in my way), and you will come to know for which of us will be the (happy) end in the Hereafter. Certainly the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) will not be successful.” [v.136] And they assign to Allah a share of the tilth and cattle which he has created, and they say: “This is for Allah according to their claim, and this is for our (Allah's so-called) partners.” But the share of their (Allah's so-called) “partners” reaches not Allah, while the share of Allah reaches their (Allah's so-called) “partners”! Evil is the way they judge! [v.137] And so to many of the Mushrikun (polytheists – see V.2:105) their (Allah's so-called) “partners” have made fair-seeming the killing of their children, in order to lead them to their own destruction and cause confusion in their religion. And if Allah had willed, they would not have done so. So leave them alone with their fabrications. ...”​

Surah Al Ra'd 13:16 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

“... Say (O Muhammad): “Who is the Lord of the heavens and the earth?” Say: “(It is) Allah.” Say: “Have you then taken (for worship) Auliya' (protectors) other then Him, such as have no power either for benefit or for harm to themselves?” Say: “Is the blind equal to light? Or do they assign to Allah partners who created the like of His creation, so that the creation (which they made and His creation) seemed alike to them?” Say: “Allah is the Creator of all things; and He is the One, the Irresistible.” ...”​

Surah Al Nahl 16:38 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

“... And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths, that Allah will not raise up him who dies. Yes, (He will raise them up), – a promise (binding) upon Him in truth, but most of mankind know not. ...”​

Surah Al Isra' 17:67 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

“... And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon vanish from you except Him (Allah Alone). But when He brings you safe to land, you turn away (from Him). And man is ever ungrateful[1]. ...”​

Surah Al 'Ankabut 29:61,63 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

“... [v.61] And if you were to ask them: “Who has created the heavens and the earth and subjected the sun and the moon?” they will surely reply: “Allah.” How then are they deviating (as polytheists and disbelievers)?” ... ... [v.63] And if you were to ask them: “Who sends down water (rain) from the sky, and gives life therewith to the earth after its death?” they will surely reply: “Allah.” Say: “All the praises and thanks be to Allah!” Nay, most of them have no sense. ...”​

Surah Luqman 31:25,32 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -


“... [v.25] And if you (O Muhammad) were to ask them: “Who has created the heavens and the earth,” they will certainly say: “Allah.” Say: “All praises and thanks be to Allah!” But most of them know not. … … [v.32] And when a wave covers them like shades (i.e. like clouds or the mountains of sea-water), they invoke Allah, making their invocations for Him only. But when He brings them safe to land, there are among them those that stop in between (Belief and disbelief). But none denies Our Signs except every perfidious ingrate.[2] ...”​

Surah Al Zumar 39:38 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

“... And verily, if you ask them: “Who created the heavens and the earth?” Surely they will say: “Allah (has created them).” Say: “Tell me then, the things that you invoke besides Allah – if Allah intended some harm for me, could they remove His harm? Or if He (Allah) intended some mercy for me, could they withhold His mercy?” Say: “Sufficient for me is Allah; in Him those who trust (i.e. believers) must put their trust.[1]” ...”​

Surah Quraysh 106:1-3 (al-Hilali-Khan translation) -

“... [v.1] (It is a great Grace and Protection from Allah) for the taming of the Quraish, [v.2] (And with all those Allah's Grace and Protections for their taming, We cause) the (Quraish) caravans to set forth safe in winter (to the south) and in summer (to the north without any fear) [v.3] So let them worship (Allah) the Lord of this House (the Ka'bah in Makkah [Mecca]) ...”​
They worshipped Allah but also said the statues get them close to Allah

Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allah only. And those who take Auliya' (protectors and helpers) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allah." Verily, Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allah guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever.
Verse (39:3)
 
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Be ye not deceived: Muslims do not worship the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob

The god of Islam is not the God & Father of Jesus Christ
The God of Abraham was not Jesus. Abraham or Moses never prayed to Jesus
 
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Be ye not deceived: Muslims do not worship the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob

The god of Islam is not the God & Father of Jesus Christ
Since there's only one God (at least that's what I believe as a
monotheist), there can be only one God to worship.

Now, there may be differing perspectives on that one God, but
that's a whole 'nother ball o' wax.
 
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This is probably one of the best explanations I have read on the subject. Thank you for this! I think it puts a lot of the history and beliefs into a language that most Christians can believe.

I should mention that the REASON the Muslims use the star and crescent moon symbol on their flags has nothing to do with their religion. That was the Greek symbol of the city of Constantinople, the symbol that flew above the city (the called Byzantium) from about 200 BC forward.

When Mohammed rode around Arabia in the 600s, he didn't use that symbol. The Arab armies that overran the Holy Land and North Africa and Spain didn't use that symbol.

It was only when the Ottoman Turks closed in and took Constantinople in 1453 AD that the Turkish Sultan adopted the Star and Crescent, symbol of Constantinople - the greatest city in the world at the time - as the symbol of the empire. It was a signal of pride: We conquered it! Now WE are the rulers of Constantinople.

Since the Ottoman Caliphate was a theocracy that ruled the entirety of Western Muslim lands (Persia, Shiite Islam, was a different place), the star and crescent came to flew over all of the Islamic world west of Persia, because it was all ruled by the Turks.

So, to be very clear, that Star and Crescent symbol has nothing whatever to do with the Islamic religion. Rather, the whole of Islamic lands West of Persia were once ruled by the Turks, they were ruled FROM Istanbul, which had been Byzantine Constantinople, and the Turks had adopted the symbol OF Byzantium as THEIR heraldic banner BECAUSE they conquered it and were proud of that fact.

Efforts to read pagan moon worship into the flag of the Islamic nations is just ignorance. That's not on there because the Muslims are moon-worshiping pagans. It's on their because they conquered the world's greatest city, the "Minas Tirith" of their age, and adopted IT'S ancient symbol as their own, out of pride and to wave their conquest in the face of all.

That's the truth.

So when you read ignorant sermons by ignorant pastors raving about the star and crescent as proof of Muslim paganism, wince in embarrassment for them. That symbol was the symbol of the greatest city in Christendom for 1600 years. One could just as easily say that the Eastern Orthodox are moon worshipers because their greatest city, center of their patriarchate, had a moon and star symbol.

In other words: no.
 
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Allah is not associated with worship of anyone or anything other than Himself, because His first commandment is "Thou shalt worship the Lord your God, and Him alone shall you serve". Worship of anyone or anything other than Allah is idolatry.
 
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The God of Abraham was not Jesus. Abraham or Moses never prayed to Jesus
Did I say they did? Your response has nothing to do with what I said.

But while we're at it, Abraham nor Moses definitely never prayed to the false god of Islam.
 
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Some Christian pastor told me that Allah is associated with moon worship and Diana, Isis and other female pagan goddesses? Is there any proof of it?

Nope. This is a oft-repeated false statement rooted in anti-Muslim polemics.

Allah is simply the Arabic word for "God". In Arabic the generic word for "god" is illah, related to other Semitic words such as Hebrew eloah and Aramaic elaha/alaha. The definite article in Arabic is the prefix "al-", and so al-illah = allah means "the god". In English we typically don't use the definite article in this way, instead we capitalize the word and make it a proper noun--"God".

As such Jews and Christians who speak Arabic have always used "Allah" to refer to God, because that's simply the Arabic word for "God".

For example, here is an ancient Christian hymn known as the Trisagion (Greek: "Thrice-Holy")

English: "Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us."
Greek: "Hagios ho Theos, Hagios Ischyros, Hagios Athanatos, eleison himas."
Arabic: "Quddūsun Allāh, Quddūsun al-qawī, Quddūsun alladhī lā yamūt urḥamnā."

-CryptoLutheran
 
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