Sign of the Son of Man in Heaven

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so, starting at the 70th anniversary

we add 7 weeks until a prince, then add 62 weeks to someone being anointed, (69 weeks so far - Aug 16, 2019 looks to be the day when the 7th head is anointed)

62 weeks after being anointed, then the 7th head gets a mortal head wound - is 'cut off', the 2nd meaning of 'yikkaret' (Oct 23, 2020)
You are theorizing a dual interpretation of the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks? One the classical the week represents 7 years. And in your secondary theory, the week is a literal week?

In your theory, you are starting from 1948. Israel, not Jerusalem.

Just to make sure I understand you correctly - starting at 1948 (Israel a nation) + 70 years (the 70th anniversary) = 2018. Then adding 7 literal (?) weeks until a prince (I assuming the arch villain person - which you are theorizing to be Prince William).

What is the actual starting date for your theory? Israel became a nation May 15, 1948. And I would like to know from you what takes place at the 7 week point?

Then from the 7 week point (which you have yet to give a explanation what happen at the 7 week point) we count forward 62 weeks to the person being anointed. Anointed as what? By your numbers, anointed on Aug 16, 2019. As the seventh head, king 7. King of what, real terms?

Separate from your theory, I am saying king 7 is the little horn who, real terns, becomes leader of the EU.
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Prince William is not a Jew, nor his religion Judaism to become the Antichrist.
 
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You are theorizing a dual interpretation of the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks? One the classical the week represents 7 years. And in your secondary theory, the week is a literal week?

In your theory, you are starting from 1948. Israel, not Jerusalem.

Just to make sure I understand you correctly - starting at 1948 (Israel a nation) + 70 years (the 70th anniversary) = 2018. Then adding 7 literal (?) weeks until a prince (I assuming the arch villain person - which you are theorizing to be Prince William).

What is the actual starting date for your theory? Israel became a nation May 15, 1948. And I would like to know from you what takes place at the 7 week point?

Then from the 7 week point (which you have yet to give a explanation what happen at the 7 week point) we count forward 62 weeks to the person being anointed. Anointed as what? By your numbers, anointed on Aug 16, 2019. As the seventh head, king 7. King of what, real terms?

Separate from your theory, I am saying king 7 is the little horn who, real terns, becomes leader of the EU.
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Prince William is not a Jew, nor his religion Judaism to become the Antichrist.

Jerusalem is the whole sticking point from day 1 with Israel. It was divided from the beginning. And who made it that way? The British. All the stuff in the news with Israel is centered around Jerusalem and embassies in Jerusalem. So, the 70 years of desolations of Jerusalem is simultaneous with the 70th anniversary of Israel.

I am hypothesizing not just a dual fulfillment, but multiple fulfillments from many facets. Why does it have to be fulfilled historically and then we can just erase it from the bible? Anyway, this interpretation of Daniel 9 is how Jews will recognize (who they think) is the 'messiah' (just means anointed one, doesn't mean 'Jesus')

Israel became a nation on May 14, 1948. This is 5 Iyyar, 5708 on the Hebrew calendar. Israeli Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia May 14, 2018 is 70 solar years, not 70 Hebrew calendar years. Israel's real 70th anniversary is 5 Iyyar, 5778. On the Gregorian calendar, our calendar in the US, 5 Iyyar 5778 occurs on April 20, 2018.

April 20, 2018 is the 'real' 70th anniversary, not exactly May 14, 2018 (which is the solar anniversary).

all I am doing is reading Daniel 9:24-27 literally.

24 “Seventy '7's are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.
those words 'seventy' & '7' above has 3 potential meanings. the '7' alone (the Hebrew word, 'shabua' means 3 things: 7 years, or 7 days, or a group of 7

thus we can get a reading of:

'70', 7 years' (which reads as '77' years)
70 'groups of 7' (which would mean: 490 days OR 490 years)

And I would like to know from you what takes place at the 7 week point?

this verse says there are 2 parts of the arrival of the anointed one: 7 weeks & 62 weeks.
At the 70th anniversary (April 20, 2018 // 5 Iyyar 5778) should be when we see 'the word to restore & build Jerusalem'

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.​

No British royal has ever visited Israel, even though they are the ones who created it. Prince William to make first official royal visit to Israel and Palestine Prince William will be the first, sometime soon, but no date has been specified. Which makes sense for it to be him, because Dec 21, 2020 is when Prince William will turn 38.5 years old (the middle of '77' years old)

the 7 weeks marker is June 8, 2018.

Then we finish out the rest of the 62 weeks just like it says. This date is Aug 16, 2019. This date is a holiday in Israel: Tu Bav which is the Jewish version of Valentine's Day. Tu B'Av, the Jewish Day of Love | My Jewish Learning

Tu B’ , the 15th Day of Av, is both an ancient and modern holiday. Originally a post-biblical day of joy, it served as a matchmaking day for unmarried women in the Second Temple period (before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 C.E.). Tu B’Av was almost unnoticed in the Jewish calendar for many centuries but it has been rejuvenated in recent decades, especially in the modern state of Israel. In its modern incarnation it is gradually becoming a Hebrew-Jewish Day of Love, slightly resembling Valentine’s Day in English-speaking countries.
This appears to be the day that Israel 'shows its love' to its 'messiah'.

So just read the text, it says that it takes 70 weeks to 'finish the transgression' - the transgression of the 1st anointing at the 69th week (Tu Bav, Aug 16, 2019). 70 weeks from that is Dec 18, 2020. then the 'prince to come' makes a covenant and breaks it in the 'middle of 7 days'.

Your interpretation of '7 years' is based on a definition of 'shabua' ('7'), but shabua just as validly means '7 days'. but my interpretation connects with about 10 different timeline items. You make an assumption that the 1260 days correlates to 'half of 7 years', but that is just an assumption.

Also, I don't deny that there is a 7 year aspect: at the end of '77' years, dusk May 13, 2025 (77 solar years) some sort of purification event will take place (Gog war).

As to your assertion that Prince William is not Jewish, Princess Diana is rumored to be Jewish, a Rothschild at that.
A Jewish King And Queen Of England? It's Possible | HuffPost
 
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Jerusalem is the whole sticking point from day 1 with Israel. It was divided from the beginning. And who made it that way? The British. All the stuff in the news with Israel is centered around Jerusalem and embassies in Jerusalem. So, the 70 years of desolations of Jerusalem is simultaneous with the 70th anniversary of Israel.
How so? Jerusalem was not in the hands of the Jews until 1967. 1967 +70 years is 2037.
I am hypothesizing not just a dual fulfillment, but multiple fulfillments from many facets.
I got that point that is what you are doing. I understand the effort. But I don't think it is working out as far as I can tell.
Israel became a nation on May 14, 1948. This is 5 Iyyar, 5708 on the Hebrew calendar. Israeli Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia May 14, 2018 is 70 solar years, not 70 Hebrew calendar years. Israel's real 70th anniversary is 5 Iyyar, 5778. On the Gregorian calendar, our calendar in the US, 5 Iyyar 5778 occurs on April 20, 2018.

April 20, 2018 is the 'real' 70th anniversary, not exactly May 14, 2018 (which is the solar anniversary).
Is that what the Jews say themselves, April 20, 2018 ? I would go to a Jewish site and see when they are going to celebrate Israel's 70th anniversary. Okay, right or wrong, you've explained April 20, 2018.
No British royal has ever visited Israel, even though they are the ones who created it. Prince William to make first official royal visit to Israel and Palestine Prince William will be the first, sometime soon, but no date has been specified. Which makes sense for it to be him, because Dec 21, 2020 is when Prince William will turn 38.5 years old (the middle of '77' years old)
What's Prince William age of 38.5 years have to do with this theory? In your theory of 77 years til completion, isn't that related to Israel - not the person?.
the 7 weeks marker is June 8, 2018.

7 weeks from April 20, 2018 is June the 8, 2018 is that what you are saying? What happens on June 8, 2018?

62 weeks later from June 8, 2018, on Aug 16, 2019

You have Prince William as being the perceived messiah anointed the King of Israel, Aug 16, 2019...?

How do you then go from Aug 16, 2019 to Dec 21, 2020 - and why?
 
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How so? Jerusalem was not in the hands of the Jews until 1967. 1967 +70 years is 2037.

don't you read the news? This is my point exactly - Jews were not in total control of Jerusalem in 1948, and were not recognized by world leaders in 1967 even. Jews have had problems in Jerusalem for 70 years.

Jerusalem has had problems being recognized for 70 years, from day 1 from May 14, 1948 (which is 5 Iyyar, 5708). I don't know how else to say this... I think your preconceived notions are blinding you to what I am trying to say in a straightforward manner. Don't know how else to put it.

I got that point that is what you are doing. I understand the effort. But I don't think it is working out as far as I can tell.
Obviously.

Is that what the Jews say themselves, April 20, 2018 ? I would go to a Jewish site and see when they are going to celebrate Israel's 70th anniversary. Okay, right or wrong, you've explained April 20, 2018.

Yom Ha'atzmaut in the United States

the Israeli 'Independence Day' is called 'Yom Ha'atzmaut'. This is the Jewish holiday celebrating the 5th of Iyyar.

Independence Day (Israel) - Wikipedia
Independence Day (Hebrew: יום העצמאות‎ Yom Ha'atzmaut, lit. "Day of Independence") is the national day of Israel, commemorating the Israeli Declaration of Independence in 1948. The day is marked by official and unofficial ceremonies and observances.

Because Israel declared independence on 14 May 1948, which corresponded with the Hebrew date 5 Iyar in that year, Yom Ha'atzmaut was originally celebrated on that date each year. To avoid religious problems, today it is celebrated either on 5 Iyar or on one of the preceding or following days; the day of the week it falls on being the decisive factor. Yom Hazikaron, the Israeli Fallen Soldiers and Victims of Terrorism Remembrance Day is always scheduled for the day preceding Independence Day.

In the Hebrew calendar, days begin in the evening.[1] The next occurrence of Yom Haatzmaut will take place on 18-19 April 2018.[2]
the 5th of Iyyar occurs dusk April 19th to day of April 20, 2018 like I have been saying from the beginning.

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What's Prince William age of 38.5 years have to do with this theory? In your theory of 77 years til completion, isn't that related to Israel - not the person?.
77 divided in the middle is 38.5 years. 77/2 =38.5 . People think Jesus' age meant something. Satanists think Prince William's age means something, I guess.

7 weeks from April 20, 2018 is June the 8, 2018 is that what you are saying? What happens on June 8, 2018?
the text says 'the coming of a prince/ ruler'. If this hypothesis is correct, Prince William will come to Israel on this day. What else is there to really say?
62 weeks later from June 8, 2018, on Aug 16, 2019
You have Prince William as being the perceived messiah anointed the King of Israel, Aug 16, 2019...?
that is what everything seems to point to.

How do you then go from Aug 16, 2019 to Dec 21, 2020 - and why?
because the text has two instances of 62 weeks.

62 weeks is mentioned in Daniel 9:25 & also in Daniel 9:26. 2 instances. At the 1st instance is where nation state Israel proclaims its love for 'messiah' on the Jewish holiday of Tu B'av. (Aug 16, 2019)

this is a transgression to God. It takes 70 weeks to fix this - see Daniel 9:24. Aug 16, 2019 add 70 weeks is Dec 18, 2020.

On Dec 18, 2020, there is a 7 day covenant made which is broken on Dec. 21, 2020. (3.5 days after Dec 18, 2020)
 
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How so? Jerusalem was not in the hands of the Jews until 1967. 1967 +70 years is 2037.

don't you read the news? This is my point exactly - Jews were not in total control of Jerusalem in 1948, and were not recognized by world leaders in 1967 even. Jews have had problems in Jerusalem for 70 years.

Jerusalem has had problems being recognized for 70 years, from day 1 from May 14, 1948 (which is 5 Iyyar, 5708). I don't know how else to say this... I think your preconceived notions are blinding you to what I am trying to say in a straightforward manner. Don't know how else to put it.

I got that point that is what you are doing. I understand the effort. But I don't think it is working out as far as I can tell.
Obviously.

Is that what the Jews say themselves, April 20, 2018 ? I would go to a Jewish site and see when they are going to celebrate Israel's 70th anniversary. Okay, right or wrong, you've explained April 20, 2018.

Yom Ha'atzmaut in the United States

the Israeli 'Independence Day' is called 'Yom Ha'atzmaut'. This is the Jewish holiday celebrating the 5th of Iyyar.

Independence Day (Israel) - Wikipedia
Independence Day (Hebrew: יום העצמאות‎ Yom Ha'atzmaut, lit. "Day of Independence") is the national day of Israel, commemorating the Israeli Declaration of Independence in 1948. The day is marked by official and unofficial ceremonies and observances.

Because Israel declared independence on 14 May 1948, which corresponded with the Hebrew date 5 Iyar in that year, Yom Ha'atzmaut was originally celebrated on that date each year. To avoid religious problems, today it is celebrated either on 5 Iyar or on one of the preceding or following days; the day of the week it falls on being the decisive factor. Yom Hazikaron, the Israeli Fallen Soldiers and Victims of Terrorism Remembrance Day is always scheduled for the day preceding Independence Day.

In the Hebrew calendar, days begin in the evening.[1] The next occurrence of Yom Haatzmaut will take place on 18-19 April 2018.[2]
the 5th of Iyyar occurs dusk April 19th to day of April 20, 2018 like I have been saying from the beginning.

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What's Prince William age of 38.5 years have to do with this theory? In your theory of 77 years til completion, isn't that related to Israel - not the person?.
77 divided in the middle is 38.5 years. 77/2 =38.5 . People think Jesus' age meant something. Satanists think Prince William's age means something, I guess.

7 weeks from April 20, 2018 is June the 8, 2018 is that what you are saying? What happens on June 8, 2018?
the text says 'the coming of a prince/ ruler'. If this hypothesis is correct, Prince William will come to Israel on this day. What else is there to really say?
62 weeks later from June 8, 2018, on Aug 16, 2019
You have Prince William as being the perceived messiah anointed the King of Israel, Aug 16, 2019...?
that is what everything seems to point to.

How do you then go from Aug 16, 2019 to Dec 21, 2020 - and why?
because the text has two instances of 62 weeks.

62 weeks is mentioned in Daniel 9:25 & also in Daniel 9:26. 2 instances. At the 1st instance is where nation state Israel proclaims its love for 'messiah' on the Jewish holiday of Tu B'av. (Aug 16, 2019)

this is a transgression to God. It takes 70 weeks to fix this - see Daniel 9:24. Aug 16, 2019 add 70 weeks is Dec 18, 2020.

On Dec 18, 2020, there is a 7 day covenant made which is broken on Dec. 21, 2020. (3.5 days after Dec 18, 2020)
 
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77 divided in the middle is 38.5 years. 77/2 =38.5 . People think Jesus' age meant something. Satanists think Prince William's age means something, I guess.
But why would you divide 77 in half ?
 
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On Dec 18, 2020, there is a 7 day covenant made which is broken on Dec. 21, 2020. (3.5 days after Dec 18, 2020)
3.5 days for the Great Tribulation, 666 limitation on buying and selling?
 
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3.5 days for the Great Tribulation, 666 limitation on buying and selling?

you are equating when the great tribulation starts with how long it lasts.

when it starts: in the middle of a particular week; after 7 weeks, after 62 weeks, after 62 weeks, 'to the end there will be war' (ie end of 70 weeks or put another way - add 8 more weeks), then at this point, there is a 7 day covenant made. It is broken after 3.5 days. (Dec 21, 2020)

how long it lasts: there are 2 components to the 'great tribulation':
  • the city
  • the sanctuary
Daniel 9:26-27
26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. It end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”​

Matt 24
15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.​

the 'Judea' reference is to Jerusalem & Dec 21, 2020 is the winter solstice, the 'winter' start of the 'great tribulation'.

Jerusalem is the 'city' (which also seems to include a physical temple/ 'sanctuary').

the 'sanctuary' is apparently the USA (because it's covenant is broken in the middle of 70 '7's, 245 years). the sanctuary is a spiritual temple (body of Christians, not a physical temple). They are violated by the pharmakia of the harlot of Babylon (Revelation 18:23's 'sorcery'/ pharmakia, drugs for sorcery)

the 'city' & the literal & spiritual 'sanctuary' are both attacked. thus:

  • city & literal sanctuary attacked in Jerusalem
  • 5 month gap
  • spiritual sanctuary attacked, not a literal temple (aka the 6th Trumpet/ 2nd woe)
the 'city & literal sanctuary' in Jerusalem is the 5th/ 6th Seal. Then at Feb 4, 2021 (Trumpets 1-4) is the start of the Day of the Lord which starts a 5 month gap (5th Trumpet) until July 4, 2021, which starts the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses/ 2nd woe. (aka the attack on the sanctuary)

Edit to add:
when we look at the revelation 12 star sign (Sept 23, 2017) and add the 'time, times, and 1/2 time' for the tribulation, we get Feb 15, 2021. (42 lunar months). Dec 21, 2020 through Feb 4, 2021 cuts short the 'great tribulation'. See how the traditional notion of a 'pre trib whisked away rapture' confuses things?

the end of 7 years from the Rev 12 star sign (3 Tishri, 5778) occurs: starting at Dec 21, 2020 add 1335 days, then start 70 weeks to finish the transgression. 7 weeks after this start of the 70 weeks (end of the 1335 days occurs on Aug 17, 2024, add 7 weeks to get to Oct 5, 2024, which is 3 Tishri, 5785).
 
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Note: I don't believe in a whisked away rapture. In my opinion, it is a lie of Satan to cause the apostasy. So, talking about the sign of the son of man is not to be taken as promoting a 'rapture date'. Nor it is to be taken as setting a date for Christ's return, which is not possible to determine and may only have a symbolic fulfillment.

IMO, here is the 'sign of the son of man in heaven', which will occur on Feb 11, 2021.

Neither the sign of the son of man in heaven is based on astronomy which is what you are doing.
 
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you are equating when the great tribulation starts with how long it lasts.

when it starts: in the middle of a particular week; after 7 weeks, after 62 weeks, after 62 weeks, 'to the end there will be war' (ie end of 70 weeks or put another way - add 8 more weeks), then at this point, there is a 7 day covenant made. It is broken after 3.5 days. (Dec 21, 2020)

how long it lasts: there are 2 components to the 'great tribulation':
  • the city
  • the sanctuary
Daniel 9:26-27
26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. It end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”​

Matt 24
15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.​

the 'Judea' reference is to Jerusalem & Dec 21, 2020 is the winter solstice, the 'winter' start of the 'great tribulation'.

Jerusalem is the 'city' (which also seems to include a physical temple/ 'sanctuary').

the 'sanctuary' is apparently the USA (because it's covenant is broken in the middle of 70 '7's, 245 years). the sanctuary is a spiritual temple (body of Christians, not a physical temple). They are violated by the pharmakia of the harlot of Babylon (Revelation 18:23's 'sorcery'/ pharmakia, drugs for sorcery)

the 'city' & the literal & spiritual 'sanctuary' are both attacked. thus:

  • city & literal sanctuary attacked in Jerusalem
  • 5 month gap
  • spiritual sanctuary attacked, not a literal temple (aka the 6th Trumpet/ 2nd woe)
the 'city & literal sanctuary' in Jerusalem is the 5th/ 6th Seal. Then at Feb 4, 2021 (Trumpets 1-4) is the start of the Day of the Lord which starts a 5 month gap (5th Trumpet) until July 4, 2021, which starts the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses/ 2nd woe. (aka the attack on the sanctuary)

Edit to add:
when we look at the revelation 12 star sign (Sept 23, 2017) and add the 'time, times, and 1/2 time' for the tribulation, we get Feb 15, 2021. (42 lunar months). Dec 21, 2020 through Feb 4, 2021 cuts short the 'great tribulation'. See how the traditional notion of a 'pre trib whisked away rapture' confuses things?

the end of 7 years from the Rev 12 star sign (3 Tishri, 5778) occurs: starting at Dec 21, 2020 add 1335 days, then start 70 weeks to finish the transgression. 7 weeks after this start of the 70 weeks (end of the 1335 days occurs on Aug 17, 2024, add 7 weeks to get to Oct 5, 2024, which is 3 Tishri, 5785).
Without the literal dates, where do events fall on the 7year timeline?

day 1 (confirmation of the covenant)
day 1185 (the great tribulation begins - setting up of the AOD idol)
day 1260 (the two witnesses killed)
day 1263.5 (the two witnesses ascend)
day 2475 (the sign of the Son of Man in heaven)
day 2520 (Jesus returns)
 
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Without the literal dates, where do events fall on the 7year timeline?

day 1 (confirmation of the covenant)
day 1185 (the great tribulation begins - setting up of the AOD idol)
day 1260 (the two witnesses killed)
day 1263.5 (the two witnesses ascend)
day 2475 (the sign of the Son of Man in heaven)
day 2520 (Jesus returns)

how could this timeline be correct, within your own framework of understanding even, when the abomination idol does not occur at the exact 'middle of 7 years'?

Daniel 9:27
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
By the standard reckoning, which seems to be yours, the abomination idol is placed in the 'middle of 7 years'.

Mind you, I don't subscribe to this understanding. Daniel 12:11-13 talks about there being 1290 days of the abomination (actually 1335 days). 1290 days is not the 'middle of 7 years'. 1335 days is not 'the middle of 7 years'. One could make an argument for 1260 days being the 'middle of 7 years', I suppose. 42 lunar months is 1239-ish days. that is the exact length of '42 months'. Or half of 7 solar years (1278 days), that is the exact length of 'the middle of 7 years'.

Anyway, your 'day 1185' is not the 'middle of 7 years', is it?

As to your question:

Day 1 is the 70th anniversary of Israel. (5 Iyyar, 5778) (April 20, 2018)
Day 976.5 (start of great tribulation, what Daniel 9 says: 7 weeks, 62 weeks, 62 weeks, 8 weeks, 1/2 week, then start of the great tribulation)
Day 1 of Great Tribulation (6th Seal)
Day 45 end of the Great Tribulation, start of the Day of the Lord & start of the Trumpets. The 'sign of the son of man in heaven' occurs 'immediately after the tribulation of those days' at Day 52 (Matthew 24:29-30)(ie the 45 days).
- Start of the Day of the Lord at Day 45 (Trumpets 1-4)
- 5 lunar months (147 days) (5th Trumpet)​
start 1260 days of the 2 witnesses (6th Trumpet/ 2nd woe)
- 1143 days of the inner sanctuary being trampled (1143 +147 = 1290 days)
(1143 days + 7 days to purify the temple is the 1150 days = 2300 'evenings & mornings')
(45 + 1290 days = 1335 days)
(the inner court/ sanctuary is trampled less time than the 2 witnesses are witnessing. 1143 days vs. 1260 days)
- end of 1335 days, start 70 weeks, so go forward 69 weeks​
end 1260 days + the 'year of recompense' (Isaiah 34:8) ends at the end of the 69th week/ start of 70th week.

Subtract 7 months of Gog clean-up from this to get the 77th solar anniversary of Israel.
 
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By the standard reckoning, which seems to be yours, the abomination idol is placed in the 'middle of 7 years'.
Not exact middle - which is day 1260. But on day 1185 which in is in the middle part of the 7 years, but not the exact middle. It is 75 days before the exact middle.

During the 75, the two witnesses battle the beast, as the Jew are fleeing to the wilderness at that time. On day 1260, the beast kills the two witnesses, and the window for fleeing is closed.
 
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Anyway, your 'day 1185' is not the 'middle of 7 years', is it?

Yes, it is in the middle of the 7 years. 75 days before the exact middle. There are 1184 days in from of it. Just as you would tell your kids to stop playing in the middle of the road - you are not intending for them to get off the exact centerline.
 
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Day 1 is the 70th anniversary of Israel. (5 Iyyar, 5778) (April 20, 2018)
Day 976.5 (start of great tribulation,
Are you saying on the 70th anniversary of Israel, that will be the day the prince who shall come confirms the covenant for 7 years?

How is your day 976.5 closer to being the middle of the 7 years, than day 1185 ?
 
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Yes, it is in the middle of the 7 years. 75 days before the exact middle. There are 1184 days in from of it. Just as you would tell your kids to stop playing in the middle of the road - you are not intending for them to get off the exact centerline.
^_^ Nice try
 
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Are you saying on the 70th anniversary of Israel, that will be the day the prince who shall come confirms the covenant for 7 years?

What happens on the 70th anniversary? This:

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.
that is the only thing mentioned about what happens on that day. 7 weeks later, the prince comes.

How is your day 976.5 closer to being the middle of the 7 years, than day 1185 ?

^_^ It isn't! But Daniel 9:27 is not talking about 7 years, it is talking about 7 days. A very particular week that occurs after 7, 62, 62, 8 weeks then at the completion of the 8th week, the infamous covenant is made.

the 'covenant that is confirmed' occurs at 'day 973'. Not at day 1 of 7 years. 3.5 days later, the covenant is broken.

My 'day 976.5' occurs in the 'middle of 7 days'. A very particular week. My 'day 976.5' occurs in the exact middle of the 140th week.
24 “Seventy '7's [can be read as '77' years, 490 years, 490 days]

are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.

[Here is Aug 16, 2019, Tu B'av where Israel anoints their messiah (because in verse 26 it says ' an anointed one is 'cut off' which means 'covenanted' or 'killed'. This is the 7th head of Satan. Start 70 weeks to 'finish the transgression' of making this bad choice]
26 And after sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and in the middle of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
that verse 27 only occurs after all those other verses are completed! That covenant is only made for 7 days.

Now do you see how my 'day 976.5' has the abomination occurring 'at the middle of the week' fulfillment, but yours doesn't?
 
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the 'covenant that is confirmed' occurs at 'day 973'. Not at day 1 of 7 years. 3.5 days later, the covenant is broken.
You lost me.

You have Prince William coming to Israel on Israel's 70th (year anniversary from 1948). He then makes a 7 day covenant and breaks the covenant after 3 1/2 days.

How are you reasoning again, the insertion of 973 days?

You have Prince William coming to Israel on Israel's 70th (year anniversary from 1948). Then 973 days pass. He then makes a 7 day covenant and breaks the covenant after 3 1/2 days.
 
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You lost me.

You have Prince William coming to Israel on Israel's 70th (year anniversary from 1948). He then makes a 7 day covenant and breaks the covenant after 3 1/2 days.

How are you reasoning again, the insertion of 973 days?

You have Prince William coming to Israel on Israel's 70th (year anniversary from 1948). Then 973 days pass. He then makes a 7 day covenant and breaks the covenant after 3 1/2 days.


no. the 'coming of a prince' occurs 7 weeks after the 70th anniversary. just as verse 25 says.

'day 973' is just another way of saying '7 weeks, 62 weeks, 62 weeks, 8 weeks'

'day 976.5' is just another way of saying '7 weeks, 62 weeks, 62 weeks, 8 weeks, and .5 weeks'

24 “Seventy '7's [can be read as '77' years, 490 years, 490 days]
are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.


25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.

[Here is Aug 16, 2019, Tu B'av where Israel anoints their messiah (because in verse 26 it says ' an anointed one is 'cut off' which means 'covenanted' or 'killed'. This is the 7th head of Satan. Start 70 weeks to 'finish the transgression' of making this bad choice]
26 And after sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and in the middle of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
where does the 973 days come from? Add the red highlights above:

7 weeks
62 weeks
62 weeks
8 weeks (from 'to the end'. to finish out the 70 weeks it takes to 'finish the transgression' that occurred at the 69th week)

49 + 434 + 434 + 56 = 973 days.

then the 7 day covenant is 'confirmed'
3.5 days later it is broken = 976.5 days. Broken in the middle of a particular week, not 7 years.

Your 'day 1185' is not the 'middle of 7 years', and thus is not a fulfillment of Daniel 9:27.
 
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Maybe a different approach would be helpful. If one looks at Daniel 9:24-27, we find the material for the Seals.

2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, perceived in the books the number of years that, according to the word of the LORD to Jeremiah the prophet, must pass before the end of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years.​

24 “Seventy '7's [can be read as '77' years, 490 years, 490 days]

are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.

26 And after sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and in the middle of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”​


1st Seal: white horseman
(June 8, 2018, 7 weeks after April 20, 2018)
the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks
2nd Seal: red horseman/ war (after June 8, 2018)
"the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war."
3rd Seal: black horseman/ famine (after June 8, 2018)
"Desolations are decreed. " (Desolation of land = famine. EG Job 30:3 Through want and hard hunger they gnaw the dry ground by night in waste and desolation;)
4th Seal: Death and Hades are given dominion over 1/4 of the earth (Aug 16, 2019; 69 weeks after the 70th anniversary of the desolations of Jerusalem, April 20, 2018) (when the 'prince/ ruler' becomes 'anointed'/ becomes the 'messiah', then they are given 'dominion'.)
"25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time." (7 + 62 = 69 weeks, then 'anointed' messiah)

5th Seal: Martyrs (after Death & Hades are given dominion: Aug 16, 2019 until the abomination of desolation on Dec 21, 2020)
People killed by the 7th head of Satan.
6th Seal: Abomination of desolation
27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and in the middle of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”​
 
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