Was Billy Graham the 24th Elder

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Unlike you, one needs to compare Scripture with Scripture, I am doing fine. ;)
I am sure you feel that way now , but there is coming a time in the near future when you will not be saying the same as you will be wishing you had believed , but you will get another chance if you can handle the severe temptation and resist the submitting to the the Great deception of the false messiah when you are starving for food , and have no electricity , no fuel for vehicles and no job unless you submit to the false messiah , you may well be one of the many who simply give in because the situation is just too much to bear ..good luck with that ;)
 
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The Biblical Truth is that the 24 elders, representing Old and New Testament Saints out of Israel and every nation, .
Not disagreeing with that - just your attitude that needs an adjustment ;)
 
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I am sure you feel that way now , but there is coming a time in the near future when you will not be saying the same as you will be wishing you had believed , but you will get another chance if you can handle the severe temptation and resist the submitting to the the Great deception of the false messiah when you are starving for food , and have no electricity , no fuel for vehicles and no job unless you submit to the false messiah , you may well be one of the many who simply give in because the situation is just too much to bear ..good luck with that ;)

I am not worried about that. Not going to happen like you wanted us to believe. There won't be a false messiah to be deceived with. There won't be a 7 years peace treaty. There won't be world-wide 7 years tribulation for "left behind Saints." There won't be a pre-tribulation rapture. There won't be a physical mark of the beast where you will be starving for food without it.

You will find out whether I am right when the last trump sounds.
 
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Not disagreeing with that - just your attitude that needs an adjustment ;)

Your problem is not about my attitude (which is typically from those who do not like to be corrected), but your ability to receive the Truth. Tell me what is your definition of being mean? Is it rejecting church tradition? Is it telling you the truth when you don't want to hear it? Is it bearing faithful witness to Scripture rather than John Walvoord? Is it not coddling or accommodating the doctrines you hold as so many other professing Christians do on this forum? Is that what you take offense at?

Galatians 4:16
  • "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
The Scriptures tell us that Christ's congregation made Him an enemy when He told them the truth. Proving once again that there is nothing new under the sun. The truth, as defined by Scripture, should be no offense to any honest Christian. Would you agree? But you find something to be offended about.

John 16:1-2
  • "These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
  • They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."
These things have I testified to all that they should not be offended by what is written in God's word. That the congregation today not be as the congregation of old who killed Christ, thinking that they were doing God service. For that is the epitome of strong delusion which has nothing to do with the food for survival like you alleged.
 
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I am not worried about that. Not going to happen like you wanted us to believe. There won't be a false messiah to be deceived with. There won't be a 7 years peace treaty. There won't be world-wide 7 years tribulation for "left behind Saints." There won't be a pre-tribulation rapture. There won't be a physical mark of the beast where you will be starving for food without it.

You will know that I am right when the last trump sounds.
You have no understanding of the wheat , barely and grapes harvests
You see the biblical principles are consistent from OT through the NT
Just as in prayer , Bible teaches that when you pray you must believe and have faith
even though you see no evidence of the prayer being answered , you must believe anyway , for as soon as you doubt it will happen , your doubt prevents it from happening and your doubt will prevent your being caught up in the 1st harvests because you have no faith and refuse to believe
 
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You have no understanding of the wheat , barely and grapes harvests.
You see the biblical principles are consistent from OT through the NT
Just as in prayer , Bible teaches that when you pray you must believe and have faith
even though you see no evidence of the prayer being answered , you must believe anyway , for as soon as you doubt it will happen , your doubt prevents it from happening and your doubt will prevent your being caught up in the 1st harvests because you have no faith and refuse to believe

When was the last time we discussed wheat, barley, and grapes?! Why bring it up here all the sudden? You are just looking for trouble. Listen dude, you need to learn how to show us the Scripture to back you up with what you are talking about.
 
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You are wrong yet Again ! It most definitely IS your arrogant attitude that you display

If you think so...
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When was the last time we discussed wheat, barley, and grapes?! Why bring it up here all the sudden? You are just looking for trouble. Listen dude, you need to learn how to show us the Scripture to back you up with what you are talking about.
So you admit you have no understanding of it - you have no idea of what it is lest alone understand it ^_^
 
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So you admit you have no understanding of it - you have no idea of what it is lest alone understand it ^_^

I did not say that. You twisted my statement and make a foolish assumption which is the mother of all errors, Seventysevens.

I was saying that you lack Scripture support since you brought up "wheat, barley and grapes" and made an unfounded claim about the rapture being the first harvest. I am moving on since you have already hijacked this thread which has nothing to do with OP's 24 elders.
 
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I did not say that. You twisted my statement and make a foolish assumption which is the mother of all errors, Seventysevens.

I was saying that you lack Scripture support since you brought up "wheat, barley and grapes" and made an unfounded claim about the rapture being the first harvest. I am moving on .
You post is absolute proof that you have absolutely no understanding of it
The best move you can do ;)
 
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You post is absolute proof that you have absolutely no understanding of it

What is there to understand if you do not provide a scripture to support your gibberish nonsense. You brought in the different subjects after being refuted which is typical of you.

The best move you can do ;)

After refuted your position AND have you admitted to agreeing with me on 24 elders? Well, thank you.
 
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Why?
How did Living if Jesus was coming in the 1400's benefit the Christian who lived in the 1400's, only to die a natural death, having their hopes for that coming dashed to pieces?



Would that be so bad? why?
For Scripture says:
He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.” Revelation 22:11

You can expect Jesus to come tomorrow and be Filthy and Unjust, and you can not care when Jesus is coming at all and be Holy and Righteous... How you feel or what you expect about the timing of the Coming of Christ has no bearing on your salvation whatsoever.

Besides, the Word of God Told Daniel that the time was Far Away and it seemed to work out ok for Him, right?

I honestly don't understand the basis for your objection.



I'm not mocking anything. Where do you get such a notion?

It strikes me that the one whos says God's words don't mean what they say and in fact mean the exact opposite of what they say (such as the person who says near means far and soon means a long time) is the one mocking the Word of God, while the one who says Shortly means literally Shortly and at hand means literally at hand is the one upholding God's Word as written.

Someone who upholds what is written is not mocking.
Someone who questions or ridicules what is written is mocking.
 
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What is there to understand if you do not provide a scripture to support your gibberish nonsense. You brought in the different subjects after being refuted which is typical of you.
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You have no idea of what the biblical teachings are about the harvests of souls as taught through the 3 main harvests , your arrogance in calling it gibberish is you calling Gods Word gibberish -you will answer to Him for that and your arrogance !
There are too many scriptures involved with it to teach it , it is in depth - which is something you do not have ,
I can tell you that you can make a lot of money if you learn to be an attorney at law
but I have no intention of teaching you any of it , I can make you aware of it - but it is your own responsibility to acquire the the initiative - the drive - the ambition to study and learn , but your know it all arrogance will prevent you from doing it -so it be a waste of time teach it . Do you think God told Noah what to build the ark from just for a hobby or a relaxing way to work off stress? No! there is a very specific reason for it just as there is a reason why God told exactly the how and why to do the harvests of grain and vineyards - the reference to the 4 corners is related to leaving grain at the 4 corners of the field for the poor people and is directly related to the harvesting of souls from the 4 corners of heaven and earth But of course you would not know that because everything to you is an allegory or some spiritulized concept like selling flowers at the street corner saying peace love dove buy some roses ^_^
 
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You have no idea of what the biblical teachings are about the harvests of souls as taught through the 3 main harvests , your arrogance in calling it gibberish is you calling Gods Word gibberish -you will answer to Him for that and your arrogance !

Not if you show us the Scriptures exactly what you CLAIMED is true. You are too lazy for that. All I hear is nothing but a gibberish testimony of yours. Show us the Scripture and explain it, else you are obviously not bible student when it come to biblical discussion.

There are too many scriptures involved with it to teach it , it is in depth - which is something you do not have ,

Prove it. Show me. What do YOU really know.

I can tell you that you can make a lot of money if you learn to be an attorney at law
but I have no intention of teaching you any of it , I can make you aware of it - but it is your own responsibility to acquire the the initiative - the drive - the ambition to study and learn , but your know it all arrogance will prevent you from doing it -so it be a waste of time teach it . Do you think God told Noah what to build the ark from just for a hobby or a relaxing way to work off stress? No! there is a very specific reason for it just as there is a reason why God told exactly the how and why to do the harvests of grain and vineyards - the reference to the 4 corners is related to leaving grain at the 4 corners of the field for the poor people and is directly related to the harvesting of souls from the 4 corners of heaven and earth But of course you would not know that because everything to you is an allegory or some spiritulized concept like selling flowers at the street corner saying peace love dove buy some roses ^_^

You do not make any sense, O' carnal man.
 
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That's what he feels about what you say ^_^
Just wait until Jesus appearance to fulfill His words though its painstaking waiting we dont want and never wish to wait forever. God must appear from His hiding place to reveal which is true.
 
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Just wait until Jesus appearance to fulfill His words though its painstaking waiting we dont want and never wish to wait forever. God must appear from His hiding place to reveal which is true.
how does this apply to the Dwayne Douglas Johnson video clip posted
which is what I commented on ? :preach:
 
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