SALVATION offered by Jesus: COMPLETED and IRREVOCABLE

[justbyfaith]

Personally, I think that if we don't take the warnings of scripture to heart, we are in danger of falling. Let us not be high-minded, bur fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

I BELIEVE IN ETERNAL SECURITY. It is defined by Jeremiah 32:38-40. For it to work, you must have the fear of God. But if you are here only to argue your pov, I know that you will fail to see it and will continue to argue.

 

[justbyfaith]

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[justbyfaith]

Sorry about that, my tablet didn't register the fact that it had posted and did not want to return to the main screen; and I am too lazy to hold the backspace square on my screen keyboard to make the corrections. I don't have the energy or the time to do it with all of them.

 

[FreeGrace2]

You personalized what I said to him, as though I had said it to you.

That's ok. I was responding to a point made. That's all.

 

[JLB777]

Yes. 1 John 1:9 Count the times John used the word "fellowship" in that chapter and explain to me what he means by "fellowship" and how it relates to the Christian life.

Salvation is the word John used.

Not fellowship.

Disregarding what is said will always lead to willful blindness.

Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:8-9


Now in this life we are saved by faith.


The day will come when we receive the salvation of our soul and the fullness of the Spirit and s body that will never die.




JLB

 

[JLB777]

Yes. 1 John 1:9 Count the times John used the word "fellowship" in that chapter and explain to me what he means by "fellowship" and how it relates to the Christian life.

Salvation is the word John used.

Not fellowship.

Disregarding what is said will always lead to willful blindness.

Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:8-9


Now in this life we are saved by faith.


The day will come when we receive the salvation of our soul and the fullness of the Spirit and a body that will never die.




JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

If you want to believe that you are safe with an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, that you are merely a prodigal in the pigpen, then that is on you.

I'll explain EXACTLY WHY I am safe. Jesus said He is the CAUSE of having eternal life, and eternal security is the EFFECT of having eternal life in John 10:28a.

Now, if it can be proven that He taught no such thing in John 10:28a, please proceed.

Or that if you die out there in the pigpen, you will wake up safe in your father's home, that is on you.

If your offensive scenario were to work out, it would be totally on Jesus, who SAID those He gives eternal life shall never perish.

I just can't imagine what goes through the mind of OSNAS when John 10:28a is explained to them.

To be in the home of his father the prodigal had to pick up his feet and return home.

The point being fellowship. Relationship was not broken. Please don't stretch a parable beyond what it is teaching.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I BELIEVE IN ETERNAL SECURITY.

And I don't believe what you say. Eternal security means just that, but your posts claim that saved people can end up perishing. The exact opposite of what you are claiming here.

It is defined by Jeremiah 32:38-40.

No, eternal security is defined by Jesus Himself in John 10:28a, THE verse that you haven't addressed or explained.

For it to work, you must have the fear of God.

Jesus said those He gives eternal life shall never perish. Contrary to what you're claiming.

But if you are here only to argue your pov, I know that you will fail to see it and will continue to argue.

I post here to defend truth. Jesus taught eternal security. Those He gives eternal life shall never perish. It's as simple as that.

But your views are different, from all you've posted. I really don't know how one would sleep at night knowing their claims are in direct opposition to what Jesus said.

 

[justbyfaith]

Again, I BELIEVE IN ETERNAL SECURITY. I just don't believe that the one who is not living holy can presume that he has it; or that he is saved because he went forward once or had an experience, but is living like hell in the present moment. re #345.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Salvation is the word John used.

Not fellowship.

OK, let's take a look:
3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.
4 We write this to make our joy complete.
5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

So, just count the times John wrote the red bolded word. 4 times. So, where is the word "salvation" in 1 John 1?

Disregarding what is said will always lead to willful blindness.

I've noticed that.

 

[justbyfaith]

It has to do with the definition of who is saved. There are people who THINK that they are saved but definitely aren't.

 

[justbyfaith]

It has to do with the definition of who is saved. There are people who THINK that they are saved but definitely aren't.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Again, I BELIEVE IN ETERNAL SECURITY.

And again, I don't believe what you say here.

I just don't believe that the one who is not living holy can presume that he has it

Thank you for illustrating why I don't believe your claim here.

or that he is saved because he went forward once or had an experience, but is living like hell in the present moment. re #345.

Please don't try to change the goalposts here. I've never even hinted at some sort of "experience" whatever that means, or coming forward, neither of which saves anyway.

I'm speaking of those who HAVE believed in Christ for salvation, which means they HAVE been given eternal life, and shall never perish, per Jesus Himself.

And God's children CAN rebel, unfortunately. It's in their old nature, which they do NOT lose when they get saved, contrary to popular opinion among the OSNAS crowd.

But a rebellious child is STILL a child of God. That never changes, and those given eternal life (God's children) shall never perish.

Again, I just can't imagine how anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ can willfully ignore or reject His teaching on eternal security.

Neither our salvation nor our security depends on us. Everything depends on His work on the cross. All we can do is receive His gift. And once His gift is received, we shall never perish. Which really seems to bother the OSNAS crowd.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Again, I BELIEVE IN ETERNAL SECURITY.

And again, I don't believe what you say here.

I just don't believe that the one who is not living holy can presume that he has it

Thank you for illustrating why I don't believe your claim here.

or that he is saved because he went forward once or had an experience, but is living like hell in the present moment. re #345.

Please don't try to change the goalposts here. I've never even hinted at some sort of "experience" whatever that means, or coming forward, neither of which saves anyway.

I'm speaking of those who HAVE believed in Christ for salvation, which means they HAVE been given eternal life, and shall never perish, per Jesus Himself.

And God's children CAN rebel, unfortunately. It's in their old nature, which they do NOT lose when they get saved, contrary to popular opinion among the OSNAS crowd.

But a rebellious child is STILL a child of God. That never changes, and those given eternal life (God's children) shall never perish.

Again, I just can't imagine how anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ can willfully ignore or reject His teaching on eternal security.

Neither our salvation nor our security depends on us.

 

[FreeGrace2]

It has to do with the definition of who is saved. There are people who THINK that they are saved but definitely aren't.

I agree, but this isn't the point at all. I've never referred to unbelievers who think they are saved (going to heaven).

 

[Marvin Knox]

Would you trade gospels with him if you found out that yours was false and his is true?

Of course I would.

But the reason I wouldn't trade is not because of sensibilities but because it is wrong scripturally. The fact that it doesn't offer security is simply a factor which tells me it's not a gospel of grace.

 

[Marvin Knox]

Would you trade gospels with him if you found out that yours was false and his is true?

Of course I would.

But the reason I wouldn't trade is not because of sensibilities but because it is wrong scripturally. The fact that it doesn't offer security is simply a factor which tells me it's not a gospel of grace.

 

[Marvin Knox]

Sorry about that, my tablet didn't register the fact that it had posted and did not want to return to the main screen; and I am too lazy to hold the backspace square on my screen keyboard to make the corrections. I don't have the energy or the time to do it with all of them.

Actually I don't know that it's not the problem of the website. It has duplicated posts for FreeGrace2 and for me also.

There are people who THINK that they are saved but definitely aren't.

The scriptures bear that out and most of us know that it's true.

I am too lazy to hold the backspace square on my screen keyboard to make the corrections. I don't have the energy or the time to do it with all of them.

Trying hard to earn your salvation wears a man out doesn't it?

Sorry - I couldn't resist. Or maybe I could have resisted and didn't resist.

Do you believe I'm unsaved because I sinned willfully?

Or is there a certain criteria which you hold to where a believer becomes an unbeliever?

Seriously now - what exactly is the cut off since we all sin and have Jesus Christ as our advocate?

Or is it just certain sins which He advocates for us concerning?

Seriously - what exactly do you believe?

Do you believe that a person who never overcomes any sin in their life never was saved? Or do you believe that a saved person who sins mightily is lost again?

I'm unsure exactly what some people believe.

 

[Marvin Knox]

Sorry about that, my tablet didn't register the fact that it had posted and did not want to return to the main screen; and I am too lazy to hold the backspace square on my screen keyboard to make the corrections. I don't have the energy or the time to do it with all of them.

Actually I don't know that it's not the problem of the website. It has duplicated posts for FreeGrace2 and for me also.

There are people who THINK that they are saved but definitely aren't.

The scriptures bear that out and most of us know that it's true.

I am too lazy to hold the backspace square on my screen keyboard to make the corrections. I don't have the energy or the time to do it with all of them.

Trying hard to earn your salvation wears a man out doesn't it?

Sorry - I couldn't resist. Or maybe I could have resisted and didn't resist.

Do you believe I'm unsaved because I sinned willfully?

Or is there a certain criteria which you hold to where a believer becomes an unbeliever?

Seriously now - what exactly is the cut off since we all sin and have Jesus Christ as our advocate?

Or is it just certain sins which He advocates for us concerning?

Seriously - what exactly do you believe?

Do you believe that a person who never overcomes any sin in their life never was saved? Or do you believe that a saved person who sins mightily is lost again?

I'm unsure exactly what some people believe.

 

[Grip Docility]

I Yearn to tell people the truth and Expose Deceivers and Tares in The Church.

Salvation by Law?!?

Ephesians 2:8-9 is your quarrel... take it up with it’s true Author... (John 5:39-40)

 

[Grip Docility]

You have the star of Remphan in your avatar:

Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and The Star of your god Raephan, the images of them which ye made for yourselves
• Amos 5:26
Amos

You also took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
And The Star of your god Remphan,
Images which you made to worship;
And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.’
• Acts 7:43
Bible Gateway passage: Acts 7 - New King James Version

You have a Devil under every rock mentality. I believe Hebrews 2:14... while you appear to look for wickedness in everything.

Guess what that means your eye is focused on?

About the Star that was imposed on Holocaust victims... my Great grand parents fled Nazi Germany as Jews.

If you’re a KKK type... Jews are worthless and don’t mean a thing to God kind of person... Best be that you avoid prattling on.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

You have a Devil under every rock mentality. I believe Hebrews 2:14... while you appear to look for wickedness in everything.

Guess what that means your eye is focused on?

About the Star that was imposed on Holocaust victims... my Great grand parents fled Nazi Germany as Jews.

If you’re a KKK type... Jews are worthless and don’t mean a thing to God kind of person... Best be that you avoid prattling on.

The Hexagram has Nothing to do with The Hebrews. It's an occult symbol used in witchcraft.

You should have a Menorah instead in your avatar.

 

[Acts2:38]

I wouldn't trade gospels with you for all the gold in all the world.

I'll just leave it at that.

Is it a perfect time for me to drop this 1 Timothy 4:1-2?

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

You don't have to obey God's word. I merely just point out what it says. It's your free choice to do what you wish.

Seeing as that you had nothing else to bring to the table after what I placed before you, I suppose we are done?

I hope you have had a pleasant and wonderful weekend.

 

[justbyfaith]

Hello, @Marvin Knox,

What I believe is that whosoever abides in Christ doesn't sin (1 John 3:6); and that the one who does the will of God abides for ever (1 John 2:17). Also, abiding means salvation (John 15:6).

Therefore eternal security doesn't exist apart from the holiness of God. To be sealed by the Holy Spirit means to be sealed by holiness. He is the HOLY Spirit.

 

[justbyfaith]

Salvation by Law?!?

Ephesians 2:8-9 is your quarrel... take it up with it’s true Author... (John 5:39-40)

Certainly not salvation by law. But being saved by grace through faith means being delivered from sin so that one is no longer a child of wrath by nature; he also doesn't obey the dictates of the flesh and of the mind any longer (Ephesians 2:1-10). He is transformed within so that an outward change in behaviour will also take place (James 2:14-26).