Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

[Riberra]

So what are you trying to say??? That Ham's line was not human??? But he came from Noah! And Noah's genetics were perfect.

Human yes ...Have you envision the possibility that Ham's wife was a Kenite descendant of Cain ....
Who were the sons of Noah, and what happened to them and their descendants?

The Hamitic peoples are shown in Genesis 10:6-20 as becoming a godless and worldly power. It was the land of Israel that was assigned to Ham’s son, Canaan,the Land of Canaan was also the place were the Nephilims are mentioned after the flood in Numbers 13:33


Ham, the youngest of the Noah’s three sons, had four sons: Cush, Mizraim (Hebrew for “Egypt”), Put, and Canaan (Genesis 10:6; 1 Chronicles 1:8). Egypt was later called the “land of Ham” (Psalms 78:51; 105:23; 106:22). The Hamitic peoples are shown in Genesis 10:6-20 as becoming a godless and worldly power. It was the land of Israel that was assigned to Ham’s son, Canaan, and for centuries it was under the control of the Egyptians. Ham is the father of the Arabians, Canaanites, and Africans, including the Egyptians. Due to Ham’s sin against his father (Genesis 9:20–25), Noah cursed Canaan, saying Canaan would be a servant to Shem (Genesis 9:26). This was fulfilled centuries later when the Israelites entered the land of Canaan and subdued the inhabitants of that land (1 Kings 9:20–21).

 

[4x4toy]

I agree with all of this brother. What I do not agree with is this.

Fallen angels do not possess. And according to the scriptures they did reproduce with human women.

We do not see Angels killed in scripture.

I believe this to be true.

I think seventysevens cleared up my point in his post 1394 .. Why would God create male angels that could marry in the first place , no , they are like eunichs .. Women are wombmen

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I think seventysevens cleared up my point in his post 1394 .. Why would God create male angels that could marry in the first place , no , they are like eunichs .. Women are wombmen

Scripture does not support this.

 

[seventysevens]

Learn to understand the context of the passages.

That is exactly what you need to do - ASAP!
what part of this verse do you not understand when it clearly say :

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12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

What part of ALL people do you not understand - that would include any and all people that would be part of this fictitious second creation theme you are trying to pass off as truth when it is not truth

@seventysevens maybe you should post the definition of ALL?

It sure look like that may very well be necessary

 

[4x4toy]

4X4toy said:


God didn't create angels that cease to exist, they are eternal beings, right ?

Agreed!

Adam was created flesh but with spirit eternal and called son of God, he fellowshipped sinless with God, he sinned and lost that status until Jesus redeemed him as son of God adopted in like us all ..


Are you contradicting yourself here? Adam was a son of God because he was created by God. He did not become one by being redeemed.

No man is called a son of God because of the new birth until after the death burial and resurrection of Jesus. While there were many Old Testament saints that loved and served God none were born again as believers in Christ are since the resurrection.

There is only one begotten of God in both flesh and Spirit, only one who can redeem and only one who can create .. Jesus is flesh/man but also man/God . He is still and ever will be flesh/God, remember he ate fish and Thomas examined his new glorified body, both son of man and Son of God .

1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel


Fallen angels can influence, oppress or possess but they can not create or procreate ..

Speculation! Evil spirits cast out by Jesus and believers are not fallen angels!

Can angels be killed ?

No.

God does not lie ..

Amen!

We will be sons/daughters/mankind resurrected with transformed bodies like Jesus ..

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Looks like you're slowly coming around

Son of God, No not until we are begotten of God through the Holy Spirit ''Born again''

 

[seventysevens]

I think seventysevens cleared up my point in his post 1394 .. Why would God create male angels that could marry in the first place , no , they are like eunichs .. Women are wombmen

That is not what I said - I said angels do not marry because there are no female angels that can be married and God does not permit male to marry male - God created everything with the ability to procreate - but there are rules for humans and angels !
there are no scriptures at all that even suggest that angels are like eunichs
This entire misunderstanding stems from a total assumption that angels do have the anatomy to have sex simply because they do not marry !
Ever hear of celibacy ?
Monks and Nuns take a vow not to have sex a remain celibate are you suggesting that they are not capable of having sex?

 

[Riberra]

Also note that the line of Ham is not described as either Jew or Gentile. What line did he contribute?

All humans .....
Have you envision the possibility that Ham's wife was a Kenite descendant of Cain

----->Genesis 15:19 mention the Kenite AFTER the Flood.......

The Hamitic peoples are shown in Genesis 10:6-20 as becoming a godless and worldly power. It was the land of Israel that was assigned to Ham’s son, Canaan.The Land of Canaan was also the place were the Nephilims [offspring of the fallen angels with human women]are mentioned after the flood in Numbers 13:33


Ham, the youngest of the Noah’s three sons, had four sons: Cush, Mizraim (Hebrew for “Egypt”), Put, and Canaan (Genesis 10:6; 1 Chronicles 1:8). Egypt was later called the “land of Ham” (Psalms 78:51; 105:23; 106:22). The Hamitic peoples are shown in Genesis 10:6-20 as becoming a godless and worldly power. It was the land of Israel that was assigned to Ham’s son, Canaan, and for centuries it was under the control of the Egyptians. Ham is the father of the Arabians, Canaanites, and Africans, including the Egyptians. Due to Ham’s sin against his father (Genesis 9:20–25), Noah cursed Canaan, saying Canaan would be a servant to Shem (Genesis 9:26). This was fulfilled centuries later when the Israelites entered the land of Canaan and subdued the inhabitants of that land (1 Kings 9:20–21).

Source :Who were the sons of Noah, and what happened to them and their descendants?

 

[4x4toy]

Scripture does not support this.

I think so in Matthew 22:30 Mark 12:25 .. We will be like the angels ''eunichs'' ''so to speak'' in heaven , no more sex . The fallen angels had their chance, men have their chance now you're trying to tell me beings were created by some perverted bible view that never had a chance ? I think not .. Think about it ..

 

[4x4toy]

That is not what I said - I said angels do not marry because there are no female angels that can be married and God does not permit male to marry male - God created everything with the ability to procreate - but there are rules for humans and angels !
there are no scriptures at all that even suggest that angels are like eunichs
This entire misunderstanding stems from a total assumption that angels do have the anatomy to have sex simply because they do not marry !
Ever hear of celibacy ?
Monks and Nuns take a vow not to have sex a remain celibate are you suggesting that they are not capable of having sex?

Eunuchs might marry on Earth but they can't have sex, well, sex as God intended ..

Are vows and oaths the same ? If so, Jesus said not to do it ..

 

[DavidPT]

All humans .....
Have you envision the possibility that Ham's wife was a Kenite descendant of Cain

----->Genesis 15:19 mention the Kenite AFTER the Flood.......

The Hamitic peoples are shown in Genesis 10:6-20 as becoming a godless and worldly power. It was the land of Israel that was assigned to Ham’s son, Canaan.The Land of Canaan was also the place were the Nephilims [offspring of the fallen angels with human women]are mentioned after the flood in Numbers 13:33


Ham, the youngest of the Noah’s three sons, had four sons: Cush, Mizraim (Hebrew for “Egypt”), Put, and Canaan (Genesis 10:6; 1 Chronicles 1:8). Egypt was later called the “land of Ham” (Psalms 78:51; 105:23; 106:22). The Hamitic peoples are shown in Genesis 10:6-20 as becoming a godless and worldly power. It was the land of Israel that was assigned to Ham’s son, Canaan, and for centuries it was under the control of the Egyptians. Ham is the father of the Arabians, Canaanites, and Africans, including the Egyptians. Due to Ham’s sin against his father (Genesis 9:20–25), Noah cursed Canaan, saying Canaan would be a servant to Shem (Genesis 9:26). This was fulfilled centuries later when the Israelites entered the land of Canaan and subdued the inhabitants of that land (1 Kings 9:20–21).

Source :Who were the sons of Noah, and what happened to them and their descendants?

Kenites and descendants of Cain, this sounds like Shepherd's Chapel lingo to me.

 

[seventysevens]

I think so in Matthew 22:30 Mark 12:25 .. We will be like the angels ''eunuchs'' ''so to speak'' in heaven , no more sex . The fallen angels had their chance, men have their chance now you're trying to tell me beings were created by some perverted bible view that never had a chance ? I think not .. Think about it ..

Does that include wings like the Cherubim
We will reign over the angels
Yea it is a perversion of scripture to say it means something other than what it says
and it does not say we will be like eunuchs .
The Church is considered to be the Bride - and any member of the Church Bride of Christ needs no other spouse - even if it is not necessary to have sex it does not even suggest that the resurrected body is not capable of having sex - your teaching is a like the preachers who say that Christian Rock Music will lead people into sexual sin - it is just what some preacher attached to what Jesus said - complete supposition with no scripture support

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I think so in Matthew 22:30 Mark 12:25 .. We will be like the angels ''eunichs'' ''so to speak'' in heaven , no more sex . The fallen angels had their chance, men have their chance now you're trying to tell me beings were created by some perverted bible view that never had a chance ? I think not .. Think about it ..

When we get to to heaven, we will be like the angels in that we will be sons of God. Neither male not female. But that is in Heaven. The Angels in heaven are male. Here on Earth they have male bodies. They look like men!The Bible says they had relations with women and the offspring were the Nephilim. Now you all want us to believe all of this fly by night stuff about two Adams and two creations, but you don't want to believe what is written.

 

[4x4toy]

Kenites and descendants of Cain, this sounds like Shepherd's Chapel lingo to me.

I actually like Shepherds Chapel , you just have to chew it up and spit out the bones sometimes .. All man was delivered through the Flood through Seth's line , the paternal line through Noah .. We don't know about the wives, they could have been from both lines .. Noah himself had brothers and sister probably drowned in the flood , only Noah was found righteous in his generation ..

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Eunuchs might marry on Earth but they can't have sex, well, sex as God intended ..

Are vows and oaths the same ? If so, Jesus said not to do it ..

Lord Jesus did not have sex with women, but He was fully capable of doing so.

 

[jhwatts]

All humans .....
Have you envision the possibility that Ham's wife was a Kenite descendant of Cain

----->Genesis 15:19 mention the Kenite AFTER the Flood.......

The Hamitic peoples are shown in Genesis 10:6-20 as becoming a godless and worldly power. It was the land of Israel that was assigned to Ham’s son, Canaan.The Land of Canaan was also the place were the Nephilims [offspring of the fallen angels with human women]are mentioned after the flood in Numbers 13:33


Ham, the youngest of the Noah’s three sons, had four sons: Cush, Mizraim (Hebrew for “Egypt”), Put, and Canaan (Genesis 10:6; 1 Chronicles 1:8). Egypt was later called the “land of Ham” (Psalms 78:51; 105:23; 106:22). The Hamitic peoples are shown in Genesis 10:6-20 as becoming a godless and worldly power. It was the land of Israel that was assigned to Ham’s son, Canaan, and for centuries it was under the control of the Egyptians. Ham is the father of the Arabians, Canaanites, and Africans, including the Egyptians. Due to Ham’s sin against his father (Genesis 9:20–25), Noah cursed Canaan, saying Canaan would be a servant to Shem (Genesis 9:26). This was fulfilled centuries later when the Israelites entered the land of Canaan and subdued the inhabitants of that land (1 Kings 9:20–21).

Source :Who were the sons of Noah, and what happened to them and their descendants?

Exactly. They are tied to the line of Genesis 4 and the 1st creation. When look at the Eden account of we see the children of men are located in the earth.

Ezekiel 31:14

14 To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit.

We see Ham’s line are the children of men

Genesis 11:5

5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.


This is even more interesting.

Genesis 4:14

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

Notice he was removed from the face of the earth. Where did he go if he left the face of the earth? He went to the children of men below ground.

 

[4x4toy]

Does that include wings like the Cherubim
We will reign over the angels
Yea it is a perversion of scripture to say it means something other than what it says
and it does not say we will be like eunuchs .
The Church is considered to be the Bride - and any member of the Church Bride of Christ needs no other spouse - even if it is not necessary to have sex it does not even suggest that the resurrected body is not capable of having sex - your teaching is a like the preachers who say that Christian Rock Music will lead people into sexual sin - it is just what some preacher attached to what Jesus said - complete supposition with no scripture support

We will not have wings as far as I know, does Jesus ? He was a man ..

 

[Postvieww]

Looks like you're slowly coming around

Son of God, No not until we are begotten of God through the Holy Spirit ''Born again''

What do you mean "slowly coming around" on this forum that has always been my position. My friend that did not apply to Adam nor the angels they were created by the hand of God! Adam was never born again!

 

[seventysevens]

We will not have wings as far as I know, does Jesus ? He was a man ..

But angels have wings and we will be like the angels lol Did Jesus say we would be like Him or the angels , what does your scripture say ? does it say we will be like God or angels ?

 

[4x4toy]

Lord Jesus did not have sex with women, but He was fully capable of doing so.

He was like Paul, not taken of lust like most of us .. Paul advised not to marry is probably better than to marry concerning some ministry if you had that gift ....

 

[4x4toy]

But angels have wings and we will be like the angels lol Did Jesus say we would be like Him or the angels , what does your scripture say ? does it say we will be like God or angels ?

Pu-lease dude .. No wonder you're confused, you know what that scripture pertains to ..