If the Left finds U.S. Government evil and racist, then why let it control our guns?

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If you look at the three dominant media narratives over the past week you'd be a little confused by the world view held by the American Left.

The three stories taking up 95% over the past seven days are:

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If you understand the political narrative from the Left (and by extension from many journalists reporting and analyzing these events) one must meet certain conclusions for each of these news stories....

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If The Left Finds US Government Evil And Racist, Then Why Let It Control Our Guns?
 

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Well, who else is supposed to make gun control laws? I don't think most folks "on the left" hate the US government. I'm on "the right" and a gun owner. I pray to God that some heads are pulled out of butts, hands out of NRA pockets & some reasonable gun laws passed soon. Gun control doesn't have to be all or nothing.
 
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Well, who else is supposed to make gun control laws? I don't think most folks "on the left" hate the US government. I'm on "the right" and a gun owner. I pray to God that some heads are pulled out of butts, hands out of NRA pockets & some reasonable gun laws passed soon. Gun control doesn't have to be all or nothing.

What would be a good gun control law, in your opinion? Personally, I think the less gun control, the better. My reason is the wording of the Constitution. It says, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Therefore, any control which reduces this right, would infringe on the ability to call together a Militia and the security of the State would be compromised.

I know, some people would say, it can't happen here. But there's lots of things happening today that I never thought I'd see happening in this country (USA).
 
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The answer to the headline's question is that the Left intends on taking over the government and using it against the right. That explains Obama's weaponized IRS, his and Hillary's continued expressions lauding gun confiscation, and much more. Ironically, with Trump's election, Leftists themselves are turning to gun ownership like never before. That's how afraid they are of him. But then, many on the left, including top political leaders, have always owned guns, or at minimum employed guards who did. Their lives, of course, are more valuable than ours.
 
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IS there no point at which something called a "gun" should be regulated?
What if in 50 years, a gun exists that can murder a crowd of thousands with one spray of a trigger?
What if somebody invents an "arm" that vaporizes a city with one shot?
Scoff and laugh all you want, but if you'd told the forefathers that you could shoot 6000 rounds a minute from a rotary cannon, they might have scoffed too.
 
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IS there no point at which something called a "gun" should be regulated?
What if in 50 years, a gun exists that can murder a crowd of thousands with one spray of a trigger?
What if somebody invents an "arm" that vaporizes a city with one shot?
Scoff and laugh all you want, but if you'd told the forefathers that you could shoot 6000 rounds a minute from a rotary cannon, they might have scoffed too.
The standard the Supreme Court has established in recent years to determine if a weapon is covered under the 2nd Amendment is the "in common use for lawful purposes" standard. So semi-auto pistols and rifles, tazers, pepper spray, etc are all covered because they are in common use for lawful purposes. Machine guns, explosives, etc are not, which is why they are highly regulated and very difficult to obtain legally.
 
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The gun debate has erupted once again. The two sides are entrenched in their respective positions, which have changed little over the decades. One side claims their right to keep and bear arms. The other sees all guns as violent and wants them outlawed.

But guns are not the real issue. This is a moral problem. What leads people to kill others is not the instrument — anything can serve as an instrument of death. What is being done to prevent more people from committing immoral acts with guns? That’s the question we must ask.

And when we ask it, three real problems present themselves: mental illness, frustrated young men, and the glorification of violence.

Our Culture is a Factory Producing Mass Killers. Closing the Factory Can Solve the Gun Debate
 
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The gun debate has erupted once again. The two sides are entrenched in their respective positions, which have changed little over the decades. One side claims their right to keep and bear arms. The other sees all guns as violent and wants them outlawed.

But guns are not the real issue. This is a moral problem. What leads people to kill others is not the instrument — anything can serve as an instrument of death. What is being done to prevent more people from committing immoral acts with guns? That’s the question we must ask.

And when we ask it, three real problems present themselves: mental illness, frustrated young men, and the glorification of violence.

Our Culture is a Factory Producing Mass Killers. Closing the Factory Can Solve the Gun Debate
US culture is exported and, to varying degrees, assimilated into every predominately English speaking country on the planet(and arguably many non-anglosphere countries too).

Heck, US rightwingers are the first to soapbox about how Europe's culture is even more un/anti-Christian, even more culturally Marxist even more degenerate; yet this problem seems exclusive to the US when looking at comparable counties.


The whole "It's because culture" line isn't even wrong.
It's just used so broadly as to be a smokescreen.
It's violence in movies/games/music, mental health, frustrated young men, it's because slipping morals ETC.
All of there can be factors, but these frustrations being expressed as gun violence on such a scale is uniquely a US issue.

There's something the US has in it's culture that it's peer countries don't. Something that makes guns and unquestioned access to them a fundamental political belief, as a badge of pride, as core to their American identity.
But these folk would be the first decry any blame placed specifically on how the US, or indeed specific prominent sub-cultures, treat firearms.

Be it the sales of them, the identity politics surrounding them or both parties historical reluctance to place even the most watered down of regulations on them.
In the end, the "it's not guns, it's culture." argument, functions to place the blame on anything but guns and the subculture surrounding them. It's a move to redirect the discourse and political action away from any area where actual impact could be made.

When a uniquely influential gun lobby of a uniquely gun saturated country is saying the uniquely severe gun violence problem isn't uniquely lax gun regulations of which they benefit massively from; the problem is probably uniquely lax gun regulations and the uniquely gun centric culture that preserves this status quo.
And probably not the violent culture exported internationally for half a century that hasn't made the USA's problem any less unique.

TL;DR
It's guns(and the culture surrounding them).
 
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