Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

[Riberra]

He had another male child.

The first time they Had sex =Genesis 4:1-2 ----they got twins
1 And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man with [the help of] Jehovah.
2 And again she bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

The Second time they had sex -Genesis 4:25
Genesis 4:25
25 And Adam knew his wife AGAIN; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth. For, [said she], God hath appointed me ANOTHER SEED instead of Abel; for Cain slew him.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Um. Ok. I'm pretty sure Eden is clearly described in Ezekiel 31 and Genesis 2:4 through 4:26. This is the first creation. God gives us direction of its location. We see it is locted near the city of Assyria. See Ezekiel 31:3 and Genesis 2:14.

We know approximately where Eden was because we know that the Tigris and Euphrates rivers ran through the garden. So the Middle East today could be Eden of yesteryear.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

The first time they Had sex =Genesis 4:1-2 ----they got twins
1 And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man with [the help of] Jehovah.
2 And again she bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

The Second time they had sex -Genesis 4:25
Genesis 4:25
25 And Adam knew his wife AGAIN; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth. For, [said she], God hath appointed me ANOTHER SEED instead of Abel; for Cain slew him.

Stop saying the same thing over and over as if your doing that is going to make me agree with what you say. I can read. The text did not say she had twins. It said she bare again. Now if you want to believe that says she bare twins then that is you. I don't understand the text to say she bore twins. Plus we know that she had girls. When the girls were born, the text is kind of ambivalent.It says and he(Adam) had sons and daughters, not other sons and daughters after Seth.

 

[seventysevens]

The giants are part of the 1st creation..

I am familiar with the scriptures about the giants - but you did not address the point of the questions
You are making suppositions but not providing a method to proving it

The point of the flood is to remove the first creation. We see God states this before and after the flood.

YOU say this - BUT God did not say that !
God did not say that he regretted making the first creation of Adam nor did he say He regretted making the first creation of man
He said he regretted making man period and he regretted making the animals as well - since we know that God does things for a righteous reason we know that animals do not sin and we know the animals did not do anything wrong - there is other reason why God was regretting having made them not pertaining to wrong doing by the animals themselves

There was no first creation of man living among any second creation of man
Yet we know that there were Noah and his descendants living before the flood

There is no scripture that tells us that God created a second lineage of man that lived during the same years that Noah and his descendants did

If you say there is a second creation of man - you need to prove what they are called other than man - name both so that we can tell them part by name
You are being evasive because you only have a theory that you cannot prove

The location of Eden is the same place that lucifer was given and was full of precious stones - when he fell God took it away from lucifer and then prepared it for Adam by planting much vegetation for Adam

 

[jhwatts]

That Eden was not mentioned does not mean that Eden was not there. Eden was where our Father chose to plant His garden and where He placed the man He had formed.

That is true.

 

[seventysevens]

You are making suppositions but not providing a method to proving it

The point of the flood is to remove the first creation. We see God states this before and after the flood.

YOU say this - BUT God did not say that !
God did not say that he regretted making the first creation of Adam nor did he say He regretted making the first creation of man

He said he regretted making man period! and he regretted making the animals as well - since we know that God does things for a righteous reason we know that animals do not sin and we know the animals did not do anything wrong - there is other reason why God was regretting having made them not pertaining to wrong doing by the animals themselves

There was no first creation of man living among any second creation of man

Yet we know that there were Noah and his descendants living before the flood

There is no scripture that tells us that God created a second lineage of man that lived during the same years that Noah and his descendants did

If you say there is a second creation of man - you need to prove what they are called other than man -

name both so that we can tell them part by name
You are being evasive because you only have a theory that you cannot prove

The location of Eden is the same place that lucifer was given and was full of precious stones - when he fell God took it away from lucifer and then prepared it for Adam by planting much vegetation for Adam

 

[jhwatts]

I am familiar with the scriptures about the giants - but you did not address the point of the questions
You are making suppositions but not providing a method to proving it

YOU say this - BUT God did not say that !
God did not say that he regretted making the first creation of Adam nor did he say He regretted making the first creation of man
He said he regretted making man period and he regretted making the animals as well - since we know that God does things for a righteous reason we know that animals do not sin and we know the animals did not do anything wrong - there is other reason why God was regretting having made them not pertaining to wrong doing by the animals themselves

There was no first creation of man living among any second creation of man
Yet we know that there were Noah and his descendants living before the flood

There is no scripture that tells us that God created a second lineage of man that lived during the same years that Noah and his descendants did

If you say there is a second creation of man - you need to prove what they are called other than man - name both so that we can tell them part by name
You are being evasive because you only have a theory that you cannot prove

The location of Eden is the same place that lucifer was given and was full of precious stones - when he fell God took it away from lucifer and then prepared it for Adam by planting much vegetation for Adam

YOU say this - BUT God did not say that !
God did not say that he regretted making the first creation of Adam nor did he say He regretted making the first creation of man.


The first creation was made by the dust and the breath of life in him.

Genesis 2:7 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

Those of the first creation was to be destroyed.

Genesis 6:17 17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

and the end result

Genesis 8: 22 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

This is the second creation.

Genesis 1: (21-27)

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. * 24 ¶And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Now lets look at what got off the ark.

Genesis 8 :19 19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.

The last creation was spared and exited the ark. They are kept separate during the flood and God shows the distinction but most fail to see it.

Genesis 7: (13-15) 13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; 14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. * 15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

Notice how Noah and the animals "after his kind" was there and then the animals from the first creation went in afterwards. They two creations and kept separate through all of the flood.

This is the truth. They are two.

 

[Riberra]

Stop saying the same thing over and over as if your doing that is going to make me agree with what you say. I can read. The text did not say she had twins. It said she bare again. Now if you want to believe that says she bare twins then that is you. I don't understand the text to say she bore twins.

Are you saying that it was impossible to bare TWINS before the flood ?

That is not hard to understand: the BIBLE TELL US ABOUT THE FIRST TIME Adam and Eve had sex and the two offspring that she bare is mentioned in Genesis 4:1-2


The Second Time that Adam meet his wife [had sex]AGAIN and the offspring that she bare is described in Genesis 4:25.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

He said he regretted making man period and he regretted making the animals as well - since we know that God does things for a righteous reason we know that animals do not sin and we know the animals did not do anything wrong - there is other reason why God was regretting having made them not pertaining to wrong doing by the animals themselves

Man corrupted the animals through genetic manipulation; just as man is doing today.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Are you saying that it was impossible to bare TWINS before the flood ?

No i am not saying that.

 

[seventysevens]

The first creation was made by the dust and the breath of life in him.

Every human was

Those of the first creation was to be destroyed.

what was there name ? you don't know ?


We have been through this already - you are making assumptions and call it truth
The more simple I make the questions the more convoluted you give as answer
it be like someone asking You what is your name ? and you respond with your name is somebody
Admit it - you are stretching the truth to make it fit what you imagine

 

[Riberra]

No i am not saying that.

Then consider this:

- The BIBLE TELL US ABOUT THE FIRST TIME Adam and Eve had sex, and the two offspring that she bare are mentioned in Genesis 4:1-2


- The Second Time that Adam meet his wife [had sex]AGAIN and the offspring that she bare is described in Genesis 4:25.

 

[seventysevens]

Man corrupted the animals through genetic manipulation; just as man is doing today.

Yes- though there are people who refuse to accept it ....
well they today they are doing it using a different method

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Then consider this:

- The BIBLE TELL US ABOUT THE FIRST TIME Adam and Eve had sex, and the two offspring that she bare are mentioned in Genesis 4:1-2


- The Second Time that Adam meet his wife [had sex]AGAIN and the offspring that she bare is described in Genesis 4:25.

and again and again. but all of these agains are not written. Only the again that produced Seth.

 

[Riberra]

and again and again. but all of these agains are not written. Only the again that produced Seth.

The AGAIN [Genesis 4:25] HAVE PRODUCED THEIR THIRD CHILD ....

130 years have passed between Genesis 4:1-2 and Genesis 4:25


Genesis 4:25
25 And Adam knew his wife AGAIN; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth. For, [said she], God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel; for Cain slew him.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Riberra. I am done responding to you.

 

[jhwatts]

Every human was

How do you conclude this.

I see man being made two different ways.

Genesis 2:7 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

Genesis 1:27 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Why do you assume the Genesis 2 account is the one all humans are made from. Should I just throw the Genesis one account away then? Does it not have validity too.

One made from the dirt and one made from the image of God. Does this make the image of God as dirt?

I mean really why did you choose that one over the other one?

I showed you their names. (Genesis 4)

We have been through this already - you are making assumptions and call it truth
The more simple I make the questions the more convoluted you give as answer
it be like someone asking You what is your name ? and you respond with your name is somebody
Admit it - you are stretching the truth to make it fit what you imagine

Please respond to post #1367 showing me how all of the distinction between creations are incorrect. Be specific.

 

[DavidPT]

As i said you miss the details ---
Genesis 1 : Human created MALE AND FEMALE on the 6TH Day AFTER THE BEAST OF THE EARTH [WILD ANIMALS]...God command THEM [Humans] as well than the animals to Multiply and REPLENISH the Earth ..


Genesis 2: ADAM created before the BEAST OF THE FIELD [FARM ANIMALS] then Eve is created... They were living in a Garden ----->First FARMER

Now go listen the video for the precise details if you are interested if not then no problem...

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.


This verse indicates there was not a man to till the ground.


Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Assuming this creation event is already in the past as of Genesis 2:5, how can there not be a man to till the ground if God already created man? How can that not be a contradiction?

Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

So God is going to bless these who consist of no one to till the ground?

So I'm thinking Genesis 2:5 is maybe best understood like such----And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground in the 6th day.

The following IMO seems to be a reasonable chronology of events.


Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.


Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth


Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

 

[Riberra]

Riberra. I am done responding to you.

You cannot go against what is clearly written in the Bible.

- The BIBLE TELL US ABOUT THE FIRST TIME Adam and Eve had sex, and the two offspring that she bare are mentioned in Genesis 4:1-2


- The Second Time that Adam meet his wife [had sex]AGAIN and the offspring that she bare is described in Genesis 4:25.

130 years have passed between Genesis 4:1-2 and Genesis 4:25 ----->Proved by Genesis 5:3

 

[jhwatts]

Assuming this creation event is already in the past as of Genesis 2:5, how can there not be a man to till the ground if God already created man? How can that not be a contradiction?

Genesis 1:2