Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

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Are you calling the second man Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

The Adam of the creation account were they told not to eat of the tree of knowledge.

Not the second acoount were he was told he could eat of any tree.
 
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So there is, in your opinion, another sinless man, who is Lord of Heaven?
This completely goes counter to all have sinned. So why didn't this Adam you speak of give his life and blood for the sins of all men? Why did our Father need to send Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth?
 
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The Adam of the creation account were they told not to eat of the tree of knowledge.
Not the second acoount were he was told he could eat of any tree.
Gen 2:15-17

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

what scripture are you speaking of ?
 
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So there is, in your opinion, another sinless man, who is Lord of Heaven?
This completely goes counter to all have sinned. So why didn't this Adam you speak of give his life and blood for the sins of all men? Why did our Father need to send Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

There are those without sin after Adams transgression however they are still accountable.

Romans 5: (12-19) 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
 
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Gen 2:15-17

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

what scripture are you speaking of ?


Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Genesis 2: (15-17) 15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

They are two different accounts.
 
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There are those without sin after Adams transgression however they are still accountable.
Why? You say they are accountable but without sin. Accountable for what? Surly not sin?
 
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Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Genesis 2: (15-17) 15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

They are two different accounts.
God is saying that he planted trees
yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Then he says do not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

that does not mean there are two different creations of Adam -God is speaking to the same person
 
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God is saying that he planted trees
yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Then he says do not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

that does not mean there are two different creations of Adam -God is speaking to the same person

They are two different creation accounts with many differences. I have listed several popular differences of each of the creation accounts.

The differences in creation orders are also listed.

Genesis 1:2 - Genesis 2:3 Creation Order

1) Heavens and Earth Created
2) Light Shines on Earth
3) Light Divided from Darkness
4) Firmament Divided
5) Land Separated from Water
6) Plant Life Appears
7) Sun, Moon, and Stars Appear
8) Animal Life Created
9) Male and Female Created

Genesis 2:4 - Genesis 4:26 Creation Order
1) Heavens and Earth Created
2) Plant Life Appears
3) Man Created
4) Animal Life Created
5) Woman Made

Differences in the Accounts

1) God commands the creation into existence in the first account, in the second account God is described as a creator, forming man, animals, and trees from the dust.

2) Creation takes place in stages accounted in days during the first account. In the second account no stages are recorded.

3) In the first account human beings are created to procreate but in the second one, they are created to live together in marriage.

4) There is no mention of Eden in the first account only the second.

5) In the first account, there are no limitation on what plants and trees are edible. The second has the restriction not to eat of the tree of life.
 
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1) God commands the creation into existence in the first account, in the second account God is described as a creator, forming man, animals, and trees from the dust.
re-creator you mean?
 
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They are two different creation accounts with many differences. I have listed several popular differences of each of the creation accounts.

The differences in creation orders are also listed.

Genesis 1:2 - Genesis 2:3 Creation Order

1) Heavens and Earth Created
2) Light Shines on Earth
3) Light Divided from Darkness
4) Firmament Divided
5) Land Separated from Water
6) Plant Life Appears
7) Sun, Moon, and Stars Appear
8) Animal Life Created
9) Male and Female Created

Genesis 2:4 - Genesis 4:26 Creation Order
1) Heavens and Earth Created
2) Plant Life Appears
3) Man Created
4) Animal Life Created
5) Woman Made

Differences in the Accounts

1) God commands the creation into existence in the first account, in the second account God is described as a creator, forming man, animals, and trees from the dust.

2) Creation takes place in stages accounted in days during the first account. In the second account no stages are recorded.

3) In the first account human beings are created to procreate but in the second one, they are created to live together in marriage.

4) There is no mention of Eden in the first account only the second.

5) In the first account, there are no limitation on what plants and trees are edible. The second has the restriction not to eat of the tree of life.
Lets apply your method of interpretation to what you have listed ,
In the first listed account There is light in the second step of creation but
In your second listing account of creation there is no light at all for the planet

In your first creation account Firmament Divided
and Land Separated from Water

In your second creation account there is no firmament and no separation from land and water

In your first creation account Plant life occurs at step #6
In your second creation account Plant life appears a the #2 step and man is created at the #3 step


In your first creation account animal life is created at the #8 step
In your second creation account animal life is created at #4 step

In your first creation account man and women are created at the last step
In your second creation account woman is made at the very end

We know that there is only one biblical description of how woman was made from the rib taken from Adam -

But since you state there are 2 different creations of Adam based on your 2 separate chronologies listed here - there is just as much possibility of 2 separate planet earths being created with the plants being created at a different point in time for each of the 2 earths and one of those earths did not get the benefit of having any light given to it

In your first creation of earth animal life was created before male and female human life was created
In your second earth male humans are created before animal life is created and female human was created after animal life was created -

so surely based on the chronology you have listed there are 2 separate earths being created with life being established in a very different order on each of the 2 different earths -
so the point of all this is to say of course not there is no 2 different earths created with life being created in a different order - and no there was not ever 2 different creations of Adam either as none of it can be proven -
You have simply misunderstood what the scripture has said
 
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Lets apply your method of interpretation to what you have listed ,
In the first listed account There is light in the second step of creation but
In your second listing account of creation there is no light at all for the planet

In your first creation account Firmament Divided
and Land Separated from Water

In your second creation account there is no firmament and no separation from land and water

In your first creation account Plant life occurs at step #6
In your second creation account Plant life appears a the #2 step and man is created at the #3 step


In your first creation account animal life is created at the #8 step
In your second creation account animal life is created at #4 step

In your first creation account man and women are created at the last step
In your second creation account woman is made at the very end

We know that there is only one biblical description of how woman was made from the rib taken from Adam -

But since you state there are 2 different creations of Adam based on your 2 separate chronologies listed here - there is just as much possibility of 2 separate planet earths being created with the plants being created at a different point in time for each of the 2 earths and one of those earths did not get the benefit of having any light given to it

In your first creation of earth animal life was created before male and female human life was created
In your second earth male humans are created before animal life is created and female human was created after animal life was created -

so surely based on the chronology you have listed there are 2 separate earths being created with life being established in a very different order on each of the 2 different earths -
so the point of all this is to say of course not there is no 2 different earths created with life being created in a different order - and no there was not ever 2 different creations of Adam either as none of it can be proven -
You have simply misunderstood what the scripture has said
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1Cor. 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
 
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But since you state there are 2 different creations of Adam based on your 2 separate chronologies listed here - there is just as much possibility of 2 separate planet earths being created with the plants being created at a different point in time for each of the 2 earths and one of those earths did not get the benefit of having any light given to it

(That is because Genesis 1:2 through Genesis is a re-creation and light was already there. Notice Genesis 1:28 says to replenish. Notice there was light before the sun and moon was described.)

In your first creation of earth animal life was created before male and female human life was created
In your second earth male humans are created before animal life is created and female human was created after animal life was created -

(To start with the order is given in the description of the text from both accounts. You make it sound like I established the order. I cant change it to make it something else. That is what you are doing.)

so surely based on the chronology you have listed there are 2 separate earths being created with life being established in a very different order on each of the 2 different earths -

(Your assumption not mine. Again it is a recreation of the same earth. )


so the point of all this is to say of course not there is no 2 different earths created with life being created in a different order - and no there was not ever 2 different creations of Adam either as none of it can be proven - (If you want to believe that, go ahead. It seems a little far fetched to me.)
 
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Yes. In particular, a persons soul with salvation. It makes him a new creature.
You missed the point of my laying out your 2 different creation themes
The order is given in the text as you wrote it out -
is supporting the point I made about it - if you created the order you could change it but the thing is that you failed to understand the point being made is the
method of interpretation you have applied to arrive at there being 2 creation events of Adam - would be applied to another earth being created as you have described 2 separate accounts of the story of creation(when it is actually only one )

So if you are going to have second account of creation of Adam ;you'll need to apply the same to the earth and the animals to have a second creation theme simply because it makes no sense at all to suppose a second creation theme just for Adam because Adam is an integral part of the original story of creation - to develop a 2nd creation story of Adam is nothing more than how you chose to interpret it and since you insist your view is valid - that opens the door to have anyone create their own version of the story of creation as they see fit -
The rest of the bible is refuting your POV of this account
 
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