Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

[jhwatts]

specific scriptures

Concerning?

I have quoted a ton of scripture with multiple correlation showing many connections.

 

[seventysevens]

Again, the corresponding genealogy of Genesis 5 are the sons of God. Look at the genealogy in Luke 3. Look at the title given to the Adam of that genealogy. You will see it doesn't match the genealogy of the sons of men in Genesis 4. Its no accident they are different.

You list chapters here
which specific scriptures in these chapters are referenced to compare

 

[jhwatts]

You list chapters here
which specific scriptures in these chapters are referenced to compare

Genesis 4: (16-26), Genesis 5: (1-32), Luke 3: (23-38)

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Again, the corresponding genealogy of Genesis 5 are the sons of God. Look at the genealogy in Luke 3. Look at the title given to the Adam of that genealogy. You will see it doesn't match the genealogy of the sons of men in Genesis 4. Its no accident they are different.

That is what we have been saying. Adam was created son of God. Every person after Adam was begotten son of Adam.

 

[Riberra]

Handmaid ------What i said is proved by the Bible


The Bible prove that Adam And Eve had their third child named SETH at the age of 130 years Genesis 5:3...---->only after that it is mentioned that they had daughters and others sons.

Thus proving that Cain find his wife among the people that God have created on the 6 TH Day Genesis 1:25-31....Cain was even afraid to be killed by these people ....God even put a mark on Cain for protection .Genesis 4

Genesis 4
11 And now cursed art thou from the ground, which hath opened its mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; 12 when thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee its strength; a fugitive and a wanderer shalt thou be in the earth.

13 And Cain said unto Jehovah, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the ground; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer in the earth; and it will come to pass, that whosoever findeth me will slay me.

15 And Jehovah said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And Jehovah appointed a sign for Cain, lest any finding him should smite him.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of Jehovah, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Observation
In Genesis 1 the male and the female human(s) MANKIND were created AFTER the ANIMAL KINGDOM Genesis 1:25-31.

In Genesis 2 the man Adam is created BEFORE the ANIMALS ...and his wife Eve in the END.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Handmaid ------What i said is proved by the Bible

I don't know where you got what you said.

 

[Riberra]

I don't know where you got what you said.

The Bible prove that Adam And Eve had their third child named SETH at the age of 130 years ...---->only after that it is mentioned that they had daughters and others sons.
Genesis 5:3-4
3 And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 and the days of Adam after he begat Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

The Bible prove that Adam And Eve had their third child named SETH at the age of 130 years Genesis 5:3-4...---->only after that it is mentioned that they had daughters and others sons.
Genesis 5:3-4
3 And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: 4 and the days of Adam after he begat Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters.

So YOU say.This does not specify when the girls were born. It says and he begat sons and daughters.

 

[Riberra]

So YOU say.This does not specify when the girls were born. It says and he begat sons and daughters.

Go at the END of Genesis 4 it is said that Adam and Eve meet again[have sex]and bare a son NAMED SETH ....
Genesis 4:25-26
25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth. For, [said she], God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel; for Cain slew him.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enosh. Then began men to call upon the name of Jehovah.

Between Genesis 4:1 and Genesis 4:25 ....130 years have passed... ----->Genesis 5:3
3 And Adam lived 130 years, and begat [a son] in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

 

[4x4toy]

To emphasis my point further. Two creations, one corresponds to the genealogy of Genesis 4 and the other Genesis 5. One are the sons of men while those "after His kind" are the sons of God.

Guess the end result.

Genesis 6: (1-2) 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

I see your point .. On the one hand . Every kind of animal at creation contained DNA with every variant of its kind we see today in its original DNA which holds way, way more information than we use individually then or today but pass on none-the-less ..

(All animals and folks on the Ark contained all the DNA genetic material of all we see today and represented on the Ark one way or another) ..

On the other hand God could have created several men and animals with even more diverse DNA to assure the pairs he selected for the Ark would have adequate DNA diversity in kinds to adapt to what appears a different post flood world to repopulate as he saw fit concerning what I think was a new environment he knew would be needed post flood, still no evolution and remember God caused first rain ever at Methuselah's death , the last of the sons of God to die pre-flood , no sons of God were wiped out by the flood but either died or saved through it .. I prefer to think Noah his sons and their wives could also have contained all the DNA to explain all the races we see today and even some races pre-flood that possibly didn't get included .. No rain pre-flood helps explain even the first rainbow with rain abundant now-a-days among many other new post flood conditions .. Also the Old Covenant circumcision through Abram/Abraham Issac Jacob/Israel, The 12 tribes were also set apart as Gods people through whom which Jesus come suggests the possibility of other peoples at creation also the 6th day , and time is not a factor with God, 24 hrs is plenty time for God to create anything and as much as he sees fit .

Even Aaron's rod was put in the tent with the others and in one day it had budded, flowered, and produced ripe almonds as the chosen among the chosen as Priests .. Numbers 17 ..

Wow #1 ranked and seed Virginia just got killed in the NCAA by the worst ranked seed team in ''The Dance'' .. First time ever as far as I know a 16 seed beat a #1 seed .. All those expert opinions mean nothing sometimes ..

 

[4x4toy]

 

[4x4toy]

Here are the names of the tribes that make up the 144,000 (in the order listed in Revelation chapter 7), together with the meaning of each name:
1. Judah =”I will praise the Lord”
2. Reuben = “He has looked on me”
3. Gad = “Granted good fortune”
4. Asher = “Happy am I”
5. Naphtali = “My wrestling”
6. Manasseh = “Making me to forget”
7. Simeon = “God hears me”
8. Levi = “Joined to me”
9. Issachar =”Purchased Me”
10.Zebulun = “Dwelling”
11. Joseph = “God will add to me”
12. Benjamin = “Son of His right hand”
Now notice what happens when the meaning of the names are combined, in the same order, into a paragraph:
“I will praise the Lord (for) He has looked on me (and) granted good fortune. Happy am I (because) my wrestling (God is) making me to forget. God hears me (and is) joined to me. He has purchased me (a)dwelling. God will add to me (the) Son of His right hand.”
These names describe the story of the church’s struggle, redemption, victory, and marriage to the Lamb. Also notice how it says “God shall come down” and “God purchased me”.

 

[4x4toy]

Our Father is not the author of confusion. He is able to preserve His scripture.

I agree and 1 Titus 1:14 reminds us to beware of Jewish myths such as some found mingled in Enoch and the Talmud and such of uninspired works ..

 

[seventysevens]

Since we know for a fact that God does not create anything that is evil nor anything that is bad -
But evil does exist and Gods word tells us how it began , it tells us there are demons/unclean spirits that God did not create !

Those who do not want to understand where the unclean spirits came from want to gloss over the topic because they don't want to accept the reality of how the unclean spirits came into existence.
God did not create unclean spirits

God did not create sin ; yet is does exist
Gods word tells us that fallen angels mated with human women .
Angels are beings with a spirit and body
Mankind is a being with a spirit and a body
Scripture speaks 'after their own kind'
Scripture speaks that mankind will receive a new physical body that will be able to directly interact - see and talk - with angels face to face and God face to face

People who refuse to accept truth of how the unclean spirits came into existence do so simply cause they are thinking with a carnal view rather than the literal Word of God

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

On the other hand God could have created several men and animals with even more diverse DNA to assure the pairs he selected for the Ark would have adequate DNA diversity in kinds to adapt to what appears a different post flood world to repopulate as he saw fit concerning what I think was a new environment he knew would be needed post flood, still no evolution and remember God caused first rain ever at Methuselah's death , the last of the sons of God to die pre-flood , no sons of God were wiped out by the flood but either died or saved through it .

You all are reaching, in error. Adam according to scripture was created Son of God. He sinned, and became just a man with the sin nature. Every other man thereafter was born/begotten in Adams image, not God's. Every man after Adam had the sin nature and passed it along to all men. The women could not pass on the sin nature. Look, I am a Registered Nurse and my career(retired) is in human reproduction. You have heard about hemophilia, that it is passed from the mother to her sons but not to her daughters. Well, look at the sin nature with this optic. Our Father preserved the seed of the woman so the sin nature would not pass through her to the Messiah. Lord Jesus was begotten( not created) of God into the woman the virgin Mary. Seth and all of his children were sons of man, not sons of God. Noah and his sons were sons of man, not sons of God. Seth was begotten of Adam after his own image, not after the image of God.
Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

Now you can call Seth a son of God if you like, that is on you. But scripture shows that Seth and all of his sons are sons of man. I can't help you get it.God did not create other men as sons of God, you all need to stop that lie. Death came through Adam after he sinned. Our Father preserved Adam's seed through Noah and his sons on the ark.

Ask yourself, why didn't our Father just kill satan and the angels that sinned? Why imprison them instead? I will tell you. Because they are eternal beings , they do not die as we understand dying. They are destined to the lake of fire.

 

[jhwatts]

You all are reaching, in error. Adam according to scripture was created Son of God. He sinned, and became just a man with the sin nature. Every other man thereafter was born/begotten in Adams image, not God's. Every man after Adam had the sin nature and passed it along to all men. The women could not pass on the sin nature. Look, I am a Registered Nurse and my career(retired) is in human reproduction. You have heard about hemophilia, that it is passed from the mother to her sons but not to her daughters. Well, look at the sin nature with this optic. Our Father preserved the seed of the woman so the sin nature would not pass through her to the Messiah. Lord Jesus was begotten( not created) of God into the woman the virgin Mary. Seth and all of his children were sons of man, not sons of God. Noah and his sons were sons of man, not sons of God. Seth was begotten of Adam after his own image, not after the image of God.
Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

Now you can call Seth a son of God if you like, that is on you. But scripture shows that Seth and all of his sons are sons of man. I can't help you get it.God did not create other men as sons of God, you all need to stop that lie. Death came through Adam after he sinned. Our Father preserved Adam's seed through Noah and his sons on the ark.

Ask yourself, why didn't our Father just kill satan and the angels that sinned? Why imprison them instead? I will tell you. Because they are eternal beings , they do not die as we understand dying. They are destined to the lake of fire.

They are two lines, not one. Don't treat them as the same. The chapter five genealogy is different then the one that are defined as fallen due to that Adams sin.

The chapter 5 genealogy, the "sons of God" where preserved clean. See Romans 5: 14. These are the ones that are the figure of him to come and do not have the sin the first Adam had. Notice the word "similitude". Most want want to claim this is Christ but it is not. This states that they are similar to Christ and a figure of him to come and not him directly.

Romans 5: (12-19) 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

See below. Notice verse 47. The first Adam is of the dust of the earth and the second is made "after His kind".

I Corinthians 15: (45-49)

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

They are two lines, not one. Don't treat them as the same. The chapter five genealogy is different then the one that are defined as fallen due to that Adams sin.

The chapter 5 genealogy, the "sons of God" where preserved clean. See Romans 5: 14. These are the ones that are the figure of him to come and do not have the sin the first Adam had. Notice the word "similitude". Most want want to claim this is Christ but it is not. This states that they are similar to Christ and a figure of him to come and not him directly.

Romans 5: (12-19) 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

See below. Notice verse 47. The first Adam is of the dust of the earth and the second is made "after His kind".

I Corinthians 15: (45-49)

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

I think our Father would have told us if what you say is true for He is not the author of confusion.

 

[jhwatts]

I think our Father would have told us if what you say is true for He is not the author of confusion.

He did tell us. Its in his word. I've present scripture after scripture reinforcing it.

Also realize Christ spokevin parables very often. Things are not as straight forward as many would believe. The things concerning creation are very hidden. This world paints a lie that it is straight forward but Christ himself said it wasn't.

Matt 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

 

[seventysevens]

They are two lines, not one. Don't treat them as the same. The chapter five genealogy is different then the one that are defined as fallen due to that Adams sin.

If that were true there would be as much of descriptive history on them as there is all the humans down from Adam and Eve
Scripture is clear
If you will take your time and find every bible scripture of what you speak - to demonstrate with as much clarity as scripture does with Adam and Eve .
You pose supposition and call it fact - if it is then you should have no problem giving detail of what their names are - their occupations - what did they do to deserve extinction- if they still exist where are they
simply making an assumption based upon how you read a couple of verses of genealogy does not show evidence of anything 'cept how you choose to interpret scripture

The first Adam was in the Garden of Eden
The second Adam is Jesus in the quickening spirit
In the first Adam came death
In the second Adam came life everlasting

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

He did tell us. Its in his word. I've present scripture after scripture reinforcing it.

Also realize Christ spokevin parables very often. Things are not as straight forward as many would believe. The things concerning creation are very hidden. This world paints a lie that it is straight forward but Christ himself said it wasn't.

Matt 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Well I will put it this way, and give your POV the benefit of the doubt. I will hold to my POV until and if the Holy Spirit reveals that my POV is wrong and yours is right. But for now, we can cordially agree to disagree.