Teacher in school accidental firearm discharge

[Larniavc]

Gun-trained teacher accidentally discharges firearm in Calif. classroom, injuring student
Arming teachers: what could go wrong?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Murphy's Law, if anything else.
But one accident does not a trend make.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Gun-trained teacher accidentally discharges firearm in Calif. classroom, injuring student
Arming teachers: what could go wrong?

The weapon, which was not described, was pointed at the ceiling, according to a statement from the school, and debris fell from the ceiling.

Seaside Police Chief Abdul Pridgen told the Monterey County Weekly that a male student was “struck in the neck by ‘debris or fragmentation’ from something overhead.” Pridgen said whatever hit the student was not a bullet.

 

[Larniavc]

Murphy's Law, if anything else.
But one accident does not a trend make.

But at least Charles Bronson knew how to be weapons safe around young people, amirite?

I’ll get my coat.

 

[Hank77]

Gun-trained teacher accidentally discharges firearm in Calif. classroom, injuring student
Arming teachers: what could go wrong?

Either he wasn't very well trained or the good training didn't take in his case. Since when do you check to see if a gun is loaded by pulling the trigger?

It would be interesting to know what this 'gun-trained' teacher thinks about gun trained teachers in the classroom.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

But at least Charles Bronson knew how to be weapons safe around young people, amirite?

I’ll get my coat.

I really don't get your point. Accidents happen. So that automatically means that teachers who are legally allowed to own firearms, along with Concealed Carry permits and trained to use them, should not be allowed to bring them on to school grounds if they so wish and the school says nothing against it?

And I'm talking as a Brit.

 

[Larniavc]

Accidents happen.

Can you imagine a way that this accident could have been foreseen and avoided?

I would love to see the risk assessment documentation.

 

[Darkhorse]

Cops sometimes make this same mistake in their training sessions...

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Can you imagine a way that this accident could have been foreseen and avoided?

I would love to see the risk assessment documentation.

Depends heavily on the type of pistol. Pistols with exposed hammers are more liable for negligent discharges than pistols with internal hammers.
But, he should have just followed the main rule: treat any gun as if it is always loaded.

Now are you going to address the rest of my post or are you just going to ignore it?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Cops sometimes make this same mistake in their training sessions...

My dad told me a story about when he went on a firearms course with the MoD. Man, some of the stuff made me cringe about how the pistols were treated.

 

[mala]

Cops sometimes make this same mistake in their training sessions...

it is what happens when someone who should know better becomes arrogant and assumes they no longer have to pay attention to details.

 

[Larniavc]

Depends heavily on the type of pistol. Pistols with exposed hammers are more liable for negligent discharges than pistols with internal hammers.
But, he should have just followed the main rule: treat any gun as if it is always loaded.

Now are you going to address the rest of my post or are you just going to ignore it?

Let’s not waste time with the minutia of gunomorphology. It was a device capable of killing someone it is pointed at.

As to your second point: firstly my apologies; I’m at work and sneak posting. B) I think you should not have guns around kids e.g. in school, regardless that the gun owner has paid good money for the privilege of carrying it around in his person.

 

[Goonie]

If your going to allow for armed teachers, the guns need to always be on safety, and be smart only usable by the owner.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Let’s not waste time with the minutia of gunomorphology. It was a device capable of killing someone it is pointed at.

Yeah, they can. But so can a nail gun. And a can of whipped cream if your inventive enough.

As to your second point: firstly my apologies; I’m at work and sneak posting. B) I think you should not have guns around kids e.g. in school, regardless that the gun owner has paid good money for the privilege of carrying it around in his person.

That's a good reason for that. Sneak posting a cautious art. And secondly; that's just your opinion, and I would respectfully have to disagree. Although considering that in the US, the right to own a firearm is expanded to every American citizen regardless of whatever aspect of life they're from, I would heavily have to disagree with you calling it a privilege.
But for the sake of cutting of a horribly long-winded and most likely temper fueled argument about that fact, shall we just cut this short before it comes to blows?

 

[joshua 1 9]

It is VERY rare for people to be killed with a gun. Usually it is the bullet that gets them.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It is VERY rare for people to be killed with a gun. Usually it is the bullet that gets them.

... okay, that was funny. It's like "It's not the fall that kills you. It's the sudden stop at the end."

 

[Goonie]

It is VERY rare for people to be killed with a gun. Usually it is the bullet that gets them.

 

[Larniavc]

But for the sake of cutting of a horribly long-winded and most likely temper fueled argument about that fact, shall we just cut this short before it comes to blows?

Of course.

I’m just killing time till my next patient (if they show).

All the best

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Either he wasn't very well trained or the good training didn't take in his case. Since when do you check to see if a gun is loaded by pulling the trigger?

It would be interesting to know what this 'gun-trained' teacher thinks about gun trained teachers in the classroom.

We always hear the term "well-trained" getting tossed...however, people tend to have a pretty weak definition of that IMO.

Almost everyone I know in my personal life who's a fellow CCW permit holder claims to be "well-trained", however, you find out that they're just referring to the 12 hour training class they took...one time... in order to meet the requirement for obtaining the permit (only 2 hours of which actually feature any live fire training at the range).

I've probably got 200+ hours of various forms of handgun & rifle training with qualified instructors, and practice 3-4 times a month on my own at the range, and even I still have things that I need to work on and could improve on in regards to my technique and breaking bad habits pertaining to stance, trigger control, grip, etc...

In terms of voluntarily seeking out and paying for that sort of training, I'd guess that I'm probably in the minority. Most people who throw around "well-trained" have taken the CCW course, and go to the range every once in a while and that's about it.

That's why when you see these proposals for "let's get the teachers trained and armed", I'm thinking to myself, if you have a novice teacher and you're plan is to get them trained up to the point where there's even a change they could be remotely effective in a crisis situation, a weekend course isn't going to do the trick. It would take regular training over the course of years (not days) in order to get them to that level. As we've seen, even several police aren't at that level yet and that's supposed to be their job...

 

[dgiharris]

We always hear the term "well-trained" getting tossed...however, people tend to have a pretty weak definition of that IMO.

Almost everyone I know in my personal life who's a fellow CCW permit holder claims to be "well-trained", however, you find out that they're just referring to the 12 hour training class they took...one time... in order to meet the requirement for obtaining the permit (only 2 hours of which actually feature any live fire training at the range)..

Yeah, it is amazing what people consider to be adequate training.

That's why when you see these proposals for "let's get the teachers trained and armed", I'm thinking to myself, if you have a novice teacher and you're plan is to get them trained up to the point where there's even a change they could be remotely effective in a crisis situation, a weekend course isn't going to do the trick. It would take regular training over the course of years (not days) in order to get them to that level. As we've seen, even several police aren't at that level yet and that's supposed to be their job...

It is actually way worse than you infer. You see, with these teachers we are not talking about your normal level of gun training. These teachers aren't training for some simple home defense where you hold up in a secure area and call the police and have your gun "just in case" for defense.

No.

These teachers are expected to be trained enough to run towards chaos to include a potential hostage situation, and to use their pistol to overpower an assailant who most likely has superior fire power, i.e. an AR-15.

What we are "expecting" of these teachers is something 99% of police never have to endure during their careers. In fact, it's more on par with soldier in a war. These teachers need to be Rambo and John McClain rolled into one.

And it is an unrealistic expectation. It is a simpleton's attempt to solve a complex problem. I can't even begin to imagine all of the Unintended Consequences and ways this can go south.