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baberean2,

1. You are so off based it is not even funny.

2. Jeremiah 31:31-34 was not fulfilled with Israel the nation.
That prophecy was under the KoH Matthew 4:17 and the KoG message Matthew 6:33; Luke 17:20-21.
This prophecy was only made with Israel.
If they would have repented Matthew 4:17 as a nation they would have received the KoH reign and had been at the head of the nations. But it was prophesied that they would reject him and they did as a nation Matthew 23:37-39.

3. Jeremiah 31:33; The Lord said he would put his laws into their minds and hearts and he would be the nation’s God and the nation would be his people.
Jeremiah 31:34; says; and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor and every man his brother, saying, KNOW THE LORD: FOR THEY SHALL ALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM UNTO THE GREATEST OF THEM, SAITH THE LORD: FOR I WILL FORGIVE THEIR INIQUITY, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SIN NO MORE.
This has never happened with the nation of Israel. Not in the early church, not in 70 A.D., Not in 1948 till now. And it won’t be that way until the restitution of all things when Christ will come back and step on the Mount of Olives Zechariah 14:4 which correlates with Act 1:12. This will be the Day of the Lord at Armageddon when all Israel will be saved Romans 11:26. This proves that your translation of the word so is wrong because it does not agree with the context.

4. Hebrews 12:22-24; Spoken to Hebrew Christians in the church of Jew and Gentile in one body as one new man with a Heavenly calling.
2 Corinthians 3:6-8 is about building on the foundation of the church. This has nothing to do with the earthly calling of the Nation of Israel in the KoH reign.

5. 1 Corinthians 10:32 shows the distinction between the Jews and Gentiles and the church of God.
Once again you are off base and are not rightly dividing the word.
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Believe it, for it is truth. In John, Jesus was speaking to Jews about end of THEIR days, which will be the end of the 70th week of Daniel.
So you think that what have happened to the Jews in 70 AD was not enough to be the fulfillment of the time of Jacob's Troubles for the Jews...-the End of the Age of the Jews being the chosen people- ...[The Gospel given to the Gentiles]...The City and the Temple have been destroyed in their Generation as Jesus predicted in Matthew 24 which was the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27B
1,2 million Jews have been killed ,the survivors have been sold as slaves and dispersed among the Nations.

Daniel 9:23-27 have been entirely fulfilled in the Time of Jesus and the Apostles.

If you want a END TIME Prophecy made by Daniel look for Daniel 7 about the Little Horn
which relate to Revelation 13.
 
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"jerry kelso, post: 72328201, member: 326861"]vinsight4u,

1. What scripture do you have to prove the prophets foretold the tribulation being cut short?
Matthe 24:22 talks about being shortened for the elects sake but nothing about being prophesied by the prophets.
it is not in the context of Revelation 10 at all.

Deuteronomy 32:20

“And he said, I will hide My face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.”

Deuteronomy 32:36

“For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.”


Daniel 12:7

“And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”

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2 Samuel 24:16

“And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.”


1 Chronicles 21:15
“And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.”


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Psalms 90:13

“Return, O LORD, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.”

Psalms 106:45

“And he remembered for them his covenant, and repented according to the multitude of his mercies.”


Psalms 135:14

“For the LORD will judge his people, and he will repent himself concerning his servants.”



Jeremiah 18:8

“If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.”

The trumpets come in thirds and such, because Israel will be only corrected by measure. God will call back some of the punishment time that was to come. He will have mercy. This is partially why the seven thunders utterings were sealed. After the 7th trumpet sounds, John sees the ark. The ark would have the mercy seat on it.

God will show His face again. That is what takes place in the 6th seal. In it are found the events that come after the tribulation. Rev. 7 is a new vision and this chapter also contains the tribulation.

The vials are done differently. There will not be any mercy. They will end as, It is done.
God will not call any of the parts back. He will not repent of the punishments upon the beast followers.

seven trumpets and we also find Rev. 15:1 referring to -the seven last plagues
This means that none of those seven can be a first plague.

If you were among the seven last people in line at the end, then you are not among those first 7 at the front.
Revelation 11:18 is when time for reward gets announced in heaven. The Lord is soon to return for His saints, bringing the sleeping ones with Him.

Luke 14:14 shows reward time is resurrection of the just time.
Paul told how a crown is laid up for him to be given to him on that day. The day when Jesus Christ will judge the quick and the dead.
Revelation 11:18 has time to judge the dead.
The saints will be rewarded, but the wicked will be harmed.
Those still alive of the wicked will soon get God's full wrath vials coming down on them. This will lead to Armageddon and the return of the already changed back at the time of the 7th trumpet saints as His armies.

Sending this back up to discuss it.
 
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So you think that what have happened to the Jews in 70 AD was not enough to be the fulfillment of the time of Jacob's Troubles for the Jews...-the End of the Age of the Jews being the chosen people- ...[The Gospel given to the Gentiles]...The City and the Temple have been destroyed in their Generation as Jesus predicted in Matthew 24 which was the fulfillment of Daniel 9:27B
1,2 million Jews have been killed ,the survivors have been sold as slaves and dispersed among the Nations.

Daniel 9:23-27 have been entirely fulfilled in the Time of Jesus and the Apostles.

If you want a END TIME Prophecy made by Daniel look for Daniel 7 about the Little Horn
which relate to Revelation 13.

riberra,

1. You fail to understand that Israel’s covenant promises of Abraham and David are unconditional eternal covenants.
This m and they will come to pass without a doubt.
The only stipulation was national repentance.
They rejected him and the temple had to be destroyed because Jesus knew he would be the sacrifice and the time of the Old Covenant would pass away.
Jerusalem was destroyed and the Jews had no Holy City and no homeland until 1948. Then and now they are still out of covenant with Messiah.
The gifts and callings are without repentance.
Paul said in Romans 11 that God has not forgotten his people. He was talking about their Kingdom promises when the restitution of all things will come.

2. The gospel was given to the Gentiles to provoke them to Jealousy so they will accept their Messiah and the Kingdom promises.

3. Jews have been dispersed among the nations and many have been regathered to have a nation but, in the tribulation their nation’s light will almost sniffed out and Christ will gather them from the 4 winds of the earth Matthew 24.
Read Ezekiel 37:16-28 where Israel and Judah will become one stick forever and never be separated again.

4. Daniel 9:24-27 has not been fulfilled concerning the 70 weeks and the Holy City which is Jerusalem. Verses 24-25 is about Israel’s purification which has not happened yet. It will in be in the future time of Jacob’s trouble Matthew 24:21.

5. Daniel 7 the little horn and the Antichrist Of Revelation 13 are the same character.
And this is the time of Jacob’s trouble which is the last 3.5 years of the 7 year tribulation.

6. All you give is conjecture, opinion, and wrong scriptural context.
The scripture says that Israel’s covenants are eternal and will come to pass because God promised. You can’t go against the word of God and be right. Jerry Kelso
 
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1. You fail to understand that Israel’s covenant promises of Abraham and David are unconditional eternal covenants.
For the Jews who obeyed God....
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The scripture says that Israel’s covenants are eternal and will come to pass because God promised. You can’t go against the word of God and be right.
For the Jews who will accept Jesus ..not for those who reject Him.

I forget:
the Gentiles [you and me ,our friend Lamad included] who believe in Jesus are also part of the promises, since the gentiles believers have been grafted into the Olive Tree 2,000 years ago....

Eternal Life into The Kingdom Of God who will be established on the Earth.
 
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3. Jeremiah 31:33; The Lord said he would put his laws into their minds and hearts and he would be the nation’s God and the nation would be his people.
Jeremiah 31:34; says; and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor and every man his brother, saying, KNOW THE LORD: FOR THEY SHALL ALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM UNTO THE GREATEST OF THEM, SAITH THE LORD: FOR I WILL FORGIVE THEIR INIQUITY, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SIN NO MORE.
This has never happened with the nation of Israel. Not in the early church, not in 70 A.D., Not in 1948 till now.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Those in the New Covenant have the Holy Spirit inside of them as their teacher, based on the verse below.


Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Based on Romans 9:27, and Revelation 11:8, the whole nation will not become a part of the New Covenant.


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For the Jews who obeyed God....

For the Jews who will accept Jesus ..not for those who reject Him.

I forget:
the Gentiles [you and me ,our friend Lamad included] who believe in Jesus are also part of the promises, since the gentiles believers have been grafted into the Olive Tree 2,000 years ago....

Eternal Life into The Kingdom Of God who will be established on the Earth.

riberra,

1. We are Abraham’s seed Galatians 3:16. This is talking about the NC of salvation.
Yes, we were grafted into the Olive Tree.
Jew and Gentile are in one body on the same level known as the church which was the mystery to make one perfect man Ephesians 2:14-15; 3:3-6.

2. The Jewish nation called Israel and their earthly calling was not a mystery and it is eternal unconditionally meaning it will happen whether you don’t like it or because the church is propagating the gospel right now, (which it is) or the Gentiles have been grafted in the Olive tree or because Israel hasn’t repented yet.

3. Israel’s earthly calling is a separate issue than gentiles accepting salvation.

4. God said there would always be a Throne in the lineage of David in the land of Israel forever 2 Samuel 7:13-16; 1 Chronicles 28:1-7. What part of that don’t you understand?
Isaiah 2:2-4,9:6-7 what part of that don’t you understand?
Jeremiah 31:31-37; especially 35-37. What part of that don’t you understand?
Ezekiel 37:15-28; This is plain that Israel and Judah will become one stick forever and David will be King of Israel. That is prophetic to the KoH reign.
You can’t understand this?
God has always had a Jewish remnant and even had one in Paul’s day Romans 11:5.
He will have one in the tribulation Revelation 12:17; 11-13.
He will also have the main part of the nation of Israel preserved in the wilderness for the time of Jacob’s trouble and be reunited with the remnant who is scattered in that day Revelation 12:17.

5. Jerusalem will be the capital of the Earth, God’s Holy City Daniel 9:24. The Lord Of Hosts will be King over all the earth and people will have to come and worship him at the feast of tabernacles in Jerusalem Zechariah 14:16-21.

6. There is no scripture you can produce that says the church of today will head the nations or inherit the land of Israel.
The church will be Kings, Priests, and Rulers in the Kingdom to come but not in the position that Israel will. Why? Because God promised eternally. Paul says their gifts and callings are without repentance Romans 11:29.

7. Those that believe in the spiritual Jew theory to the extreme don’t believe in the Bible context, they believe in their own context.

8. Revelation shows the 7 churches of Asia and their conditions and since it is a prophecy it includes the church ages since, to now and until the pre-trib rapture.
Even if the church were to go through the tribulation Israel will still inherit their earthly calling which is not the churches calling.
You have no scriptural proof for your position. Jerry Kelso
 
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8. Revelation shows the 7 churches of Asia and their conditions and since it is a prophecy it includes the church ages since, to now and until the pre-trib rapture.
The address to the 7 Churches in Asia Revelation 2 and Revelation 3 was about the things which are now and the things which are are soon to come to pass [A Judgment of God upon these 7 Churches that were in existence in the time of John]....

The things who shall come thereafter begin to be showed to John in Revelation 4...

Even if the church were to go through the tribulation Israel will still inherit their earthly calling which is not the churches calling.
You have no scriptural proof for your position.
Say the one who have ZERO Scripture saying textually that the Church will be taken out of the Earth to Heaven before the Tribulation.
 
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The things which must come to pass hereafter are presented to John starting in Revelation 4...through Revelation 22.
Revelation 4:1
1 After these things I saw, and behold, a door opened in heaven, and the first voice that I heard, [a voice] as of a trumpet speaking with me, one saying, Come up hither, and I will show thee the things which must come to pass hereafter.
 
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Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Those in the New Covenant have the Holy Spirit inside of them as their teacher, based on the verse below.


Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Based on Romans 9:27, and Revelation 11:8, the whole nation will not become a part of the New Covenant.


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baberean2,

1. Once again you don’t separate the KoH reign and the church age.
The KoH reign offer was rejected Matthew 23:37-39.
The church age started on the Day of Pentecost which was different than the KoH message.
Jesus revealed that in Acts 1:6-7.
He also revealed that only the Father knew when the KoH program of Israel would happen and yet you think you know better than God the Father.
The disciples knew their covenants and that is why they asked if the Lord would restore the KoH at that time. Jesus never denied it wouldn’t happen.
They all knew the KoH would happen. So the issue being addressed was Israel’s earthly calling with Jerusalem being the capital of the earth Isaiah 2:2-4 and the land of Israel having a King in David’s line forever who will be David Ezekiel 37:24. The apostles will rule the tribes of Israel Matthew 19:28 and Christ along with Judah the law will go out of Zion Isaiah 2:2-4.

2. The House of Israel was those who were left over from Jesus ministry but was under the age of the church not the KoH program.
Jesus said the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church.
Israel lost its light and was trodden down under the foot of men that stemmed from Jesus prophecy of their ruin and the temple etc. and this happened in A.D. 70.
So you are falsifying the House of Israel address as the nation of Israel receiving the NC of Jeremiah 31:34-37 and being fulfilled when it wasn’t under that context of their earthly calling in the KoH reign.
The context of the DOP is the New Covenant and the New Testament Church.
The mystery of the church Jews and Gentiles as one new man was ratified at Calvary but not fulfilled till later Ephesians 2:14-15;3:3-6.
Are you going to deny the scripture on this? If you do you don’t understand how revelation unfolded gradually.

3. Romans 9:27 is talking about Israel will have a remnant.
Zechariah 13:9 says 2/3 will be cut off and 1/3 will come through the fire.
Revelation has the remnant with the nation of Israel as the sun clothed woman preserve red through the time of Jacob’s trouble Revelation 12:13-17.
When Christ comes back he will have the remnant, the nation in the wilderness, and the Jewish remnant and the elect from the 4 winds of Heaven which is the earth.
So all Israel will be saved is true. The sun clothed woman’s sin will be washed away by Christ and he will put his laws and their minds and be a God to them forever and they will be a people to him forever.
Both Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-13 are the same prophecy that has not been fulfilled. Why? Because God remembering their sins no more has not happened. Are you going to deny this scripture? Israel is out of covenant right now.

4. Revelation 11:8; has to do with the witnesses dead in the streets of Jerusalem. So what? I have already covered who will make up all of Israel and they will be saved by the New Covenant.
You are wrong again.
You know I am right according to Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-12. This is proven that you will not answer directly to the plain statement of verses 10-12, especially verse 12: For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness and their sins and their iniquities will I remember them no more.
You know this has not happened because they are still backslidden and will be until Christ comes back to set up the Kingdom of Heaven Reign.
Now it is time to believe the truth.
For goodness sakes berean, Zechariah 13 shows the fountain shall be opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleaness. The Lord Of Hosts will cut off the names of the idols and cause the prophets and the unclean spirit will pass out of the land. God will cut out the rebels, but this doesn’t mean that all of Israel won’t be saved if you read the context correctly. You are wrong again. Jerry kelso
 
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1. Once again you don’t separate the KoH reign and the church age.
The KoH reign offer was rejected Matthew 23:37-39.
The church age started on the Day of Pentecost which was different than the KoH message.
Jesus revealed that in Acts 1:6-7.
He also revealed that only the Father knew when the KoH program of Israel would happen and yet you think you know better than God the Father.



Many of the older classic Dispensationalists claim the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are not the same. However, a parallel study of the Gospels reveals the error of this logic.



Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the
kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye, and believe the gospel.



Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath
not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.


Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Luk 9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.


Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich
man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye
of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


Great Errors in Dispensational Eschatology: Pastor John Otis

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The address to the 7 Churches in Asia Revelation 2 and Revelation 3 was about the things which are now and the things which are are soon to come to pass [A Judgment of God upon these 7 Churches that were in existence in the time of John]....

The things who shall come thereafter begin to be showed to John in Revelation 4...


Say the one who have ZERO Scripture saying textually that the Church will be taken out of the Earth to Heaven before the Tribulation.

riberra,

1. You have no scriptural proof.

2. Revelation 2&3 were addressed to the historal churches of Asia.
However, Revelation 1:3 says the book is a prophecy. This is why it applies to the whole church age.
It would make no sense for overcomers to only the historical churches of that day.

3. In the church of Philadelphia what hour of temptation were they kept from historically that came upon the whole world?
Even if you can name one it wouldn’t be the final fulfillment as today because it has to be tied into the restitution of all things such as Peter talked about in Acts 3:19.
There were judgements in the churches but there was also overcomers whose destination was and is and will be Heaven not the earth.
The professing church will get worse and worse but the overcomes the gates of hell shall never prevail against it.

4. John goes up to Heaven through a portal and the voice as a trumpet said come up hither to show things hereafter. Hereafter what? The church age ended right before that.
Revelation 4, the church is seen in Heaven represented by the 24 elders verses 4:4 which are clothed in white raiment and crowns of Gold. Verse 10 they worship God and cast crowns before the throne.
Chapter 5 verse 1, the Father has a book written within and on the backside sealed with 7 seals.
No one was worthy except the lamb to open the book which is to the future tribulation that is still future.
Revelation 5:8-10 are the 24 elders representing the church who have the prayer of saints and sing a new song; thou art worthy to take the book and to open the seals thereof, for thou wast slain and has redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred and tongue and people and nation; And hast made us unto our God Kong’s and priests: and we shall reign on earth.
The Old Testament and New Testament saints were perfected together at Calvary Hebrews 11:40.
2 Timothy 2:12 if ye suffer ye shall reign. So this proves that the church has been raptured to Heaven.
How much clearer do you need the picture to be?
Who do you think these saints are that will reign on earth?
Revelation 19:7-10 has the righteousness of the saints which is fine linen clean and white. These are the same saints in Revelation 4-5 and they are at the marriage of the lamb v 7.
Verse 9 they go to the marriage supper of the lamb which is the supper of the great God v17. Who are these saints? Tell me who and back it up by scripture and why you believe this. Jerry kelso
 
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The things which must come to pass hereafter are presented to John starting in Revelation 4...through Revelation 22.
Revelation 4:1
1 After these things I saw, and behold, a door opened in heaven, and the first voice that I heard, [a voice] as of a trumpet speaking with me, one saying, Come up hither, and I will show thee the things which must come to pass hereafter.
As someone already told you , you need to take into consideration ALL the scriptures - not just what you prefer - smple Hermeneutics expresses to understand that when plain sense makes good sense simply accept it cause when you seek for another sense as you have done you come up with nonsense ,
There were many churches during the time Revelation was written , no sense in just speaking to just seven of them , - the reason is they represent various sin condition in them that will be present during the time Jesus returns , Jesus makes reference to the great tribulation in chap 3 - He knew that would not happen for at least 2000 years later -so to think it was just for that church in that year only is nonsense , several other scriptures in those churches refer to the End Times . When you get in deep fallacy saying that all people will die during the GT when scripture states outright that is wrong - you look for something you can massage into what you want it to say . You can believe what you want - but you cannot prove in scripture your view is correct as scripture itself states otherwise .
 
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Many of the older classic Dispensationalists claim the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are not the same. However, a parallel study of the Gospels reveals the error of this logic.



Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the
kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye, and believe the gospel.



Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath
not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.


Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Luk 9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.


Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich
man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye
of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


Great Errors in Dispensational Eschatology: Pastor John Otis

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baberean2,

1. I’ve told you that the parallel passages are because the KoH is the earthly sphere of the universal KoG.

2. David Stern who wrote the Jewish Bible believes in the distinctions between the KoH and the KoG.
The Jews were told to seek the KoG and all his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. This is all about the Old covenant of repentance such as in Luke 17:20-21. The KoG comes without observation for it is within them.
The KoH reign is on earth not in Heaven where God resides.
Matthew 4:17; 10:7; 11:11-12;19:23 are all about the KoH reign on earth.

3. Mark 1:15 is talking about the KoH reign on earth. Like 16:16 is the physical KoH reign on earth.
Like 9:2 is the physical KoH reign on earth. Matthew 19:4 is the physical KoH reign on earth.

4. So you are still missing the basic point is the KoH is the physical reign on earth and the basic point of the KoG is the spiritual aspect of repentance to get into the physical KoH reign on earth.
So you are wrong again.
1 Corinthians 10:32: Give none offense to the Jews, Gentiles, nor to the church of God.
The KoH and KoG was a message to the Jews not to the Gentiles or the church. Jerry Kelso
 
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baberean2,

1. I’ve told you that the parallel passages are because the KoH is the earthly sphere of the universal KoG.

2. David Stern who wrote the Jewish Bible believes in the distinctions between the KoH and the KoG.
The Jews were told to seek the KoG and all his righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you. This is all about the Old covenant of repentance such as in Luke 17:20-21. The KoG comes without observation for it is within them.
The KoH reign is on earth not in Heaven where God resides.
Matthew 4:17; 10:7; 11:11-12;19:23 are all about the KoH reign on earth.

3. Mark 1:15 is talking about the KoH reign on earth. Like 16:16 is the physical KoH reign on earth.
Like 9:2 is the physical KoH reign on earth. Matthew 19:4 is the physical KoH reign on earth.

4. So you are still missing the basic point is the KoH is the physical reign on earth and the basic point of the KoG is the spiritual aspect of repentance to get into the physical KoH reign on earth.
So you are wrong again.
1 Corinthians 10:32: Give none offense to the Jews, Gentiles, nor to the church of God.
The KoH and KoG was a message to the Jews not to the Gentiles or the church. Jerry Kelso
You act as if the clear teaching of scripture below does not exist.

Jesus Christ Returns In the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, as he clearly taught below.

There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, as Jesus sits on a throne watching mortal humans dying around him.

Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with the angels, the nations are gathered for judgment.

Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

"ETERNITY BEGINS"!

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
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riberra,

1. You have no scriptural proof.

2. Revelation 2&3 were addressed to the historal churches of Asia.
However, Revelation 1:3 says the book is a prophecy. This is why it applies to the whole church age.
It would make no sense for overcomers to only the historical churches of that day.

3. In the church of Philadelphia what hour of temptation were they kept from historically that came upon the whole world?
Even if you can name one it wouldn’t be the final fulfillment as today because it has to be tied into the restitution of all things such as Peter talked about in Acts 3:19.
There were judgements in the churches but there was also overcomers whose destination was and is and will be Heaven not the earth.
The destination [reward] for those who overcome [valid then and now ] is mentioned in Revelation 3:11-12

11 I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown.

12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.
 
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You act as if the clear teaching of scripture below does not exist.

Jesus Christ Returns In the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, as he clearly taught below.

There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, as Jesus sits on a throne watching mortal humans dying around him.

Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with the angels, the nations are gathered for judgment.

Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

"ETERNITY BEGINS"!

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

truth7t7,

1. This is the judgement of the nations on earth. It involves the sheep and goats.
The sheep inherit eternal life on earth and the goats go to the lake of fire. This is not the Great White Throne judgement. This has to with their treatment of Israel.

2. The Great White Throne judgement involves sinners everywhere for their bad works. Their are no believers at this judgement.

3. The Bible says there is a 1000 Years in which the devil is bound in chains and then looses for a little season to deceive the nations. Then he is is overthrown by fire from Heaven and is thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false had been since being thrown in their 1000 years before at the Battle of Armageddon.
It’s plainly there in the last verse of the 19th chapter through chapter 20.
You can’t dispute the scriptural facts no matter how much your mantra up. Jerry Kelso
 
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The destination [reward] for those who overcome [valid then and now ] is mentioned in Revelation 3:11-12

11 I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown.

12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.

riberra,

1. What is your point? I already said their destination is Heaven and not earth. Jerry Kelso
 
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2. The Great White Throne judgement involves sinners everywhere for their bad works. Their are no believers at this judgement.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;



Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

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