Biblical, Enclosed Flat Earth and Firmament

[patrick jane]

We know that God created two great lights on the fourth day, the sun and moon and the stars. Where was the sun on days 1,2 and 3? This proves evolution and the "beg" bang wrong, IMO. This also means the moon gives off it's own light as the sun does. It's not all from a reflection of the other great light. I believe firmly that moon landings were a Hoax. If they lie about that then everything is up for grabs. Do you trust the word of God or the science?


Genesis 1:1-19 KJV -
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

 

[Aldebaran]

We know that God created two great lights on the fourth day, the sun and moon and the stars. Where was the sun on days 1,2 and 3? This proves evolution and the "beg" bang wrong, IMO. This also means the moon gives off it's own light as the sun does. It's not all from a reflection of the other great light. I believe firmly that moon landings were a Hoax. If they lie about that then everything is up for grabs. Do you trust the word of God or the science?


Genesis 1:1-19 KJV -
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Still waiting for a response to what I said in post #800.

 

[patrick jane]

I didn't say God was wrong. I'm saying if you think the moon is a light emitting entity, take a look at it through a telescope sometime. Rocks, mountain ranges, craters, valleys, etc. do not emit light. Don't just turn a blind eye to it. Look at it!

Ok, I'll go to valley right now. What will that prove, a globe? Sometimes there's also shade in the sun, sooo. I don't know why when or how ONE of the great light doesn't shine. But how do you explain the sun and moon stopping in Joel and the sun going backwards in Isaiah? His ways are past finding out. Do you think God meant that maybe one day we would "find out" and figure everything out, like scientists now changing, modifying and manipulating DNA and cloning?

Joel 3:13-21 KJV -
Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

16 The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lordwill be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

17 So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth out of the house of the Lord, and shall water the valley of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim.

19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.

20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.

21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the Lord dwelleth in Zion.

 

[patrick jane]

Another example of heaven, the WHOLE heaven being above the earth. Not surrounding a globe earth and UNDER the earth.

Daniel 7:27 KJV -
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[Matthew 24 10]

"Eratosthenes made several important contributions to mathematics and science, and was a friend of Archimedes. Around 255 BC, he invented the armillary sphere. In On the Circular Motions of the Celestial Bodies, Cleomedes credited him with having calculated the Earth's circumference around 240 BC"

Interesting extra discovery:
"During his time at the Library of Alexandria, Eratosthenes devised a calendar using his predictions about the ecliptic of the Earth. He calculated that there are 365 days in a year and that every fourth year there would be 366 days"
Eratosthenes - Wikipedia

Christ came to save us about 240 years after Eratosthenes showed the Earth was a sphere.

So people had learned before Christ these little pieces of the endless things that God has always known.

Christ came though not to teach you mere trivial things about geometry, or mere geology, physics, what is ultimately somewhat unimportant stuff in the end, in the ultimate end of this temporary life -- but instead He came to teach you and me deeply crucial things instead!

I mean the Jews to which Jesus came knew earth was flat when he preached gospel to them , they had no problem accepting that it was flat even tho Eratosthenes made theory that it was sphere .

 

[Matthew 24 10]

Why? What would make it stop?

If you don't understand that how did you pass science exam it's first thing you learn in physics class . If one Force is pulling down something with force of 1 Netwon and there is opposite force pulling something up with force of 1 Newton the body will stay motionless because these forces will work against each other .

It would look something like that

 

[JacksBratt]

Yes. The points made on that video are just the same points recycled from other videos. In other words, it's just the same exact arguments that have been asked about and answered here numerous times. Continuing to pose the same questions again and again in an attempt to get a different answer isn't going to prove anything other than the idea that flat earthers are not willing to accept any explanations whatsoever.

I could say the exact same thing about the "cognitive dissonant" answers and excuses that are presented, here, in defense of the flawed globe model.

I get it, you believe the model of the universe that you have been taught since you were just out of diapers.... Really, I get that.

Some of us, however, are saying "hold the phone", some things just don't make sense.

Your not convincing us... we're not convincing you....

God Bless.

 

[JacksBratt]

Do you realise when Jesus lived on earth and gospel was preached people knew earth was flat ?

And, since Christ was here showing them how wrong they were in much of what they were presently teaching and preaching as truth.... Why did He not say "Oh ya... one more thing... the earth is not Flat"?

I guess He didn't want them to know.

 

[Matthew 24 10]

And, since Christ was here showing them how wrong they were in much of what they were presently teaching and preaching as truth.... Why did He not say "Oh ya... one more thing... the earth is not Flat"?

I guess He didn't want them to know.

I guess he clearly told them how earth was created in Scriptures , gentiles did not have Scriptures and yet they knew earth was flat .

 

[JacksBratt]

If you read Paul, then you read what Paul says:

Romans 10:17↑

Do you believe Paul got it right?

How does this true statement even come close to discerning whether a globe believer or a FE believer are the one who has "heard"?

These types of verses can be posted by a person of either view...

Face it... either the earth is a globe... or it is not a globe..... posting Romans 10:17 does not prove either is right.

It just states that actually hearing and understanding what is actually the truth is only through the power of God.

 

[JacksBratt]

In view of this you said about leading people to God, regarding Romans 10:17? Still you feel the flat Earth message you've developed is the way to tell people about Christ?

Actually, the FE message is biblical, if you are honest to yourself...

And, with that in mind.. the heliocentric model was developed to hide and remove the need of a Creator or savior.


Just because the Heliocentric model is 500 years old, does not mean it is the truth.
Just because the Geocentric model is considered wrong by the atheists, scientific masses, academia and all those who have been immersed in the teaching to the contrary, does not make it actually wrong.

The Geocentric model may not be the deception. The deception may have already been here for half of a millennia.

The statement "we have known this for a long time" is not evidence for anything.

It could just mean that we have been wrong for a very long time.

 

[JacksBratt]

The "arguments" you present in those pictures you keep posting are so easy to refute that it's a wonder why you keep posting them. The one about how we can take pictures of things millions of light years away but not building and ships, etc. "leaning over the curvature of the earth" is my favorite. Do I need to remind you that the things being photographed millions of light years away are galaxies? Quite a bit larger than buildings and ships.

Let me ask you..

If you shine a light on any object and create a shadow of that object... Is the shadow larger or smaller than the object?

Or

Can you ever shine a light on an object and make the shadow smaller than the object itself?

The answer is that any shadow of any object with the light source and surface that the shadow is projected on to at any of many varying distances from each other...

The shadow is never ever smaller than the object casting it.

So, then, why is the shadow of the moon, on the earth, during an eclipse... so SMALL?

It is an absolute impossibility that the moon, at 1/6 the size of the earth being, the presented and taught 240,000 miles away, can cast a shadow that does not totally engulf the earth with the sun being a believed and taught 93,000,000 miles behind it.

Fact....

 

[JacksBratt]

If the moon gives off its own light, then why does the moon go through phases, with only part of the moon lit, which just happens to be the side of the moon facing the sun?
If you think the moon is a light emitting entity, take a look at it through a telescope sometime. Rocks, mountain ranges, craters, valleys, etc. do not emit light.
Don't just ignore what I'm telling you. If you think you can prove what I said to be wrong, then do so.

You know, I thought the exact same way.... that is until I really thought about it.

I leave for work at 6:00 A.M. every morning. Sometimes, the moon is little more than a sliver. You know the one, some call it "God's toe nail".

Anyway, bear with me.

So, it's dark, maybe a bit of a sunrise starting depending on the times...

The moon is 1/8th illuminated.

Now as Rabbit would say, in Winnie the Poo, think, think, think..

If IF IF the moon is only showing me 1/8th of the surface illuminated. Then.... that means the other 7/8ths of the illuminated moon are facing away from me and now............ please catch this most important part...

The sun should be visible to me in order to illuminate the side of the moon that is facing away from me...

BUT...... BUT... it's not.. it still has not even risen...

Explain that please.... oh ya, without gravity bending light and lens distortion of the earths atmosphere crap.

Here are some facts.

The moon IS it's own source of light.
Moon light cools things down. Sunlight warms.
Moon shadows are warmer than moonlight. Sun shadows are cooler than sunlight.
Moon light causes food to rot.
Sunlight kills bacteria. You can dry meat in the sun to cure it.
Moon light makes a fire burn better.
Sunlight impedes burning.

 

[JacksBratt]

Again, if you think the moon is a light emitting entity, take a look at it through a telescope sometime. Rocks, mountain ranges, craters, valleys, etc. do not emit light.
Don't just ignore what I'm telling you. If you think you can prove what I said to be wrong, then do so.

If the sun was shining on the moon.. the moon, being a ball, would reflect light away from it at different angles.

Sunlight that hits the center of the full moon would reflect back at us while sunlight on the moons edges would reflect off into space at different angles.

The full moon should, then, look like a ball with a bright spot in the center and fade as you look to its edges.

A ball never reflects light back to the source equally from all the surface facing the light source.

FACT.

 

[patrick jane]

If the sun was shining on the moon.. the moon, being a ball, would reflect light away from it at different angles.

Sunlight that hits the center of the full moon would reflect back at us while sunlight on the moons edges would reflect off into space at different angles.

The full moon should, then, look like a ball with a bright spot in the center and fade as you look to its edges.

A ball never reflects light back to the source equally from all the surface facing the light source.

FACT.

 

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