Biblical, Enclosed Flat Earth and Firmament

Do you think enclosed flat earth is possible from scripture, or think it's IMPOSSIBLE?

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The helicopter is also moving, it merely appears stationary relative to the earth.

It's actually easier to launch rockets into orbit near the equator, because things on earth are actually rotating faster at the equator than the poles.
 
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The helicopter is also moving, it merely appears stationary relative to the earth.

It's actually easier to launch rockets into orbit near the equator, because things on earth are actually rotating faster at the equator than the poles.
Sounds like you've got everything figured out. :oldthumbsup:
 
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The helicopter is also moving, it merely appears stationary relative to the earth.

It's actually easier to launch rockets into orbit near the equator, because things on earth are actually rotating faster at the equator than the poles.

Yea which means plane which fly with speed around 890 mph should stop in air at equator if it was flying from east to west .
 
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Yea which means plane which fly with speed around 890 mph should stop in air at equator if it was flying from east to west .

Why? What would make it stop?
 
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If somebody watch that whole video and still believe globe he won't ever change so it's pointless to argue .

Anybody who has listened to the arguments made by flat earthers and realized how childish many of the arguments are would hardly find it worthwhile to listen to another 2 hours worth of them. What good would it do? Are we supposed to then answer all the points made, respond to each of them, and then expect you guys to actually consider anything other than what your own view is? You've made up your mind already. Now stop trying to convince us of your flat earth conspiracy theories.
 
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Anybody who has listened to the arguments made by flat earthers and realized how childish many of the arguments are would hardly find it worthwhile to listen to another 2 hours worth of them. What good would it do? Are we supposed to then answer all the points made, respond to each of them, and then expect you guys to actually consider anything other than what your own view is? You've made up your mind already. Now stop trying to convince us of your flat earth conspiracy theories.

Same for you , you made up your mind alredy so why are you still here ?
And these points are not foolish you can try to disprove them let's see how far you can go .
 
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Same for you , you made up your mind alredy so why are you still here ?
And these points are not foolish you can try to disprove them let's see how far you can go .

This sentence of yours is proof of what I just said.
This thread is 38 pages long, and I've been involved in it and doing what you just invited me to do ever since page 5. You clearly haven't been paying attention.
 
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First, he doesn't understand how lunar phases work.
Second, he (gasp!) actually thinks the moon lights itself, as if he's never seen the moon through a telescope (or never had a chance to).
Third, the only evidence that it's been over his head for 76 hours is him saying it.
Fourth, it's a shame he teaches his kid this crap:
 
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If somebody watch that whole video and still believe globe he won't ever change so it's pointless to argue .
Even watching that video and then taking some time to give it some honest investigation.
 
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Even watching that video and then taking some time to give it some honest investigation.

Yes. The points made on that video are just the same points recycled from other videos. In other words, it's just the same exact arguments that have been asked about and answered here numerous times. Continuing to pose the same questions again and again in an attempt to get a different answer isn't going to prove anything other than the idea that flat earthers are not willing to accept any explanations whatsoever.
 
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Anybody who has listened to the arguments made by flat earthers and realized how childish many of the arguments are would hardly find it worthwhile to listen to another 2 hours worth of them. What good would it do? Are we supposed to then answer all the points made, respond to each of them, and then expect you guys to actually consider anything other than what your own view is? You've made up your mind already. Now stop trying to convince us of your flat earth conspiracy theories.
What else can we expect from a user that has his logo set as : Star Power! ? You're in love with the NASA science, the globe, deep space which doesn't exist, the "beg" bang, evolution, seeding planets, traveling the "stars", dark matter and dark energy, invented to make the made up gravity work. So yeah, we're "childish" -

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The thread has 10,200 views in 3 weeks. I also have a thread called : Conspiracy - Are Some Theories Accurate? - It has 13,000 views
Why compete with the gospel?
 
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Why compete with the gospel?
No competition whatsoever. The Bible is true and has never been proven wrong and conspiracies exist as much as you'd like to call the crazy. If the earth is enclosed and flat like the Bible says then it is a conspiracy to hide it from the world. Pretty basic common sense, IMO.

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No competition whatsoever. The Bible is true and has never been proven wrong and conspiracies exist as much as you'd like to call the crazy. If the earth is enclosed and flat like the Bible says then it is a conspiracy to hide it from the world. Pretty basic common sense, IMO.

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What does Paul write is the limit on our freedom?

For instance, how do you read the chapter 1 Corinthians 8 NIV ?

Do you think Paul is writing here only about just eating meat? Are there other things some of those who are "weak" might be tripped by?

When you read in Romans chapter 14, how do you yourself think of verses 13 and 22? What if someone that does not yet know Christ reads someone claiming the world is flat is somehow the only correct view of scripture, and thinks that seems impossible, and therefore dismisses Christianity without even learning about Christ?

Who's to blame if that happens?

What's your view of what Paul is saying?
 
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What does Paul write is the limit on our freedom?

For instance, how do you read the chapter 1 Corinthians 8 NIV ?

Do you think Paul is writing here only about just eating meat? Are there other things some of those who are "weak" might be tripped by?

When you read in Romans chapter 14, how do you yourself think of verses 13 and 22? What if someone that does not yet know Christ reads someone claiming the world is flat is somehow the only correct view of scripture, and thinks that seems impossible, and therefore dismisses Christianity without even learning about Christ?

Who's to blame if that happens?

What's your view of what Paul is saying?

Do you realise when Jesus lived on earth and gospel was preached people knew earth was flat ?
 
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Do you realise when Jesus lived on earth and gospel was preached people knew earth was flat ?

"Eratosthenes made several important contributions to mathematics and science, and was a friend of Archimedes. Around 255 BC, he invented the armillary sphere. In On the Circular Motions of the Celestial Bodies, Cleomedes credited him with having calculated the Earth's circumference around 240 BC"


Interesting extra discovery:
"During his time at the Library of Alexandria, Eratosthenes devised a calendar using his predictions about the ecliptic of the Earth. He calculated that there are 365 days in a year and that every fourth year there would be 366 days"
Eratosthenes - Wikipedia

Christ came to save us about 240 years after Eratosthenes showed the Earth was a sphere.

So people had learned before Christ these little pieces of the endless things that God has always known.

Christ came though not to teach you mere trivial things about geometry, or mere geology, physics, what is ultimately somewhat unimportant stuff in the end, in the ultimate end of this temporary life -- but instead He came to teach you and me deeply crucial things instead!
 
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What does Paul write is the limit on our freedom?

For instance, how do you read the chapter 1 Corinthians 8 NIV ?

Do you think Paul is writing here only about just eating meat? Are there other things some of those who are "weak" might be tripped by?

When you read in Romans chapter 14, how do you yourself think of verses 13 and 22? What if someone that does not yet know Christ reads someone claiming the world is flat is somehow the only correct view of scripture, and thinks that seems impossible, and therefore dismisses Christianity without even learning about Christ?

Who's to blame if that happens?

What's your view of what Paul is saying?
Sacrifice to idols, idol worship, idolatry, not causing a weak person to stumble concerning the faith. I personally don't use the NIV anymore although I started with NIV Study Bible.

I found the King James original 1611 came alive to me through the Holy Spirit. The NIV and many other Bibles have changed thousands of words, destroying the word of truth. I am not puffed up because I only quote what God says concerning salvation and creation and the earth and cosmos. God speaks to us very plainly and clearly.

I used to feel condemned and unworthy every time I picked a Bible and read the gospels. Those are essential to every new believer. It wasn't until I read Paul's 13 epistles that I began to hear and understand both salvation and a beginning to understanding the entire Old Testament. The whole Bible became open to me. I read no other books.

The flat earth topic is not a doctrine and has nothing to do with salvation. It does however lead MORE people TO God and Christ than it will ever take away, if not believing in God is even possible with flat earth. I have posted testimonies in the Biblical flat earth thread. Ask me any questions about what the Bible says and I will give my best interpretation. I am not trying to be a teacher or pretend that I am always right or that I know the whole Bible and all the mysteries of life but I do rightly divide the word of truth.

For instance, we know that Jesus was not sent BUT to the lost sheep of Israel. Although Christ did preach to a Gentile and no doubt Gentiles heard and believed and saved but He preached the Kingdom, whereas the Risen Ascended Lord Jesus Christ cane to Paul and chose him to be the Apostle to the Gentiles beginning in the book of Acts Chapter 9. If you were to read one book in the Bible I would say to read Ephesians to start out a new believer after Matthew, Mark Luke and John.

The book of Ephesians is written to US, me and you, Gentiles, unless you are an ancestral Israelite. The whole entire Bible is written FOR us but the whole entire Bible is NOT written TO us. Rightly diving shows things that differ are not the same. God Bless.
 
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