The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth (Flat Earth Refuted)

Bible Highlighter

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.
Site Supporter
Jul 22, 2014
41,508
7,861
...
✟1,194,203.00
Country
United States
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Married
The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth:
(Flat Earth Refuted):

The Bible:

Job 26:10 NIV says,
"He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness."

Job 26:10 CEV says,
"On the surface of the ocean, God has drawn a boundary line between light and darkness."

Proverbs 8:27 NKJV says, "When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a circle on the face of the deep,"

Here it speaks of God drawing a circle on the face of the deep. From a “bird’s-eye view” of the ocean, the horizon is seen as a circle. Such an observation indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins, describing the reality of day and night on a spherical earth.

The Science:

Imagine taking a toy globe and lighting it with up with a flashlight in a dark room. You will see a circle of a shadow of darkness upon the globe or a circle of light. The line between light and darkness is the horizon line. This horizon line moves across the ocean upon the Earth. The curvature of the Earth prevents the light from reaching the other side. This would not be the case with a flat disk.

The Bible:

A Spherical Earth is further supported by Jesus in:

Luke 17:31, and Luke 17:34 that says, “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back...I tell you, in that night there will be two people in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.”

This would seem to indicate the phenomenon of day on one side of the globe while darkness abides on the other.

The Science:

For the world experiences different time zones. In one part of the world, they see the sun setting while the other is in darkness. Another part of the world sees the sun rising. If the world were a flat disk, the sun would light the entire world all at once and there would be no time zones. Granted, flat earth theorists suggest that the sun is kind of like a spot light. But that doesn't really make any sense. Only a spherical Earth can allow for time zones or one part of the world experiencing the sunset while another part of the world sees the sunrise and another part of the world sees night time, etc. In fact, you can even talk and or have a video conference with people on the other side of the globe who is experiencing these different time zone differences.

The Science:

Ships and buildings appear to vanish into the horizon line the farther you move away from them. This only makes sense with a spherical Earth. A flat Earth and we would still see the bottom of ships and buildings from far away.

The Science:

Take an aircraft compass and fly on a plane going East from New York with New York being your return destination. You can do this by flying to Europe (Which is East). Then fly to India (Which is East). Then fly to Tokyo, Japan (Which is East). Then fly to California (Which is East). Then fly back to New York (Which is East). You can use the aircraft compass to check to make sure you are heading East the whole time.

The Science:

533 Astronauts have went to space and brought back pictures and video footage of the Earth showing that the Earth is indeed round or spherical. Some of these astronauts are even Christian. Jeffrey Williams had reported to a church live and talked about His Savior Jesus while he was on the international space station. He brought back photos showing that the Earth is indeed round.

Major Lack of Scientific Evidence for a Flat Earth:

No reports of any pilots or explorers having run into any end points (or drop offs) of the Earth. There should be lots of opportunities for this to happen seeing the flat Earth's edge goes in all directions (North, South, East, West, etc.). Not one of the 533 astronauts that went beyond low orbit has come out to speak about how the Earth is really flat instead of round.
 

mukk_in

Yankees Fan
Site Supporter
Oct 13, 2009
2,852
3,872
53
Vellore, India
✟664,706.00
Country
India
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Celibate
The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth:
(Flat Earth Refuted):

The Bible:

Job 26:10 NIV says,
"He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness."

Job 26:10 CEV says,
"On the surface of the ocean, God has drawn a boundary line between light and darkness."

Proverbs 8:27 NKJV says, "When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a circle on the face of the deep,"

Here it speaks of God drawing a circle on the face of the deep. From a “bird’s-eye view” of the ocean, the horizon is seen as a circle. Such an observation indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins, describing the reality of day and night on a spherical earth.

The Science:

Imagine taking a toy globe and lighting it with up with a flashlight in a dark room. You will see a circle of a shadow of darkness upon the globe or a circle of light. The line between light and darkness is the horizon line. This horizon line moves across the ocean upon the Earth. The curvature of the Earth prevents the light from reaching the other side. This would not be the case with a flat disk.

The Bible:

A Spherical Earth is further supported by Jesus in:

Luke 17:31, and Luke 17:34 that says, “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back...I tell you, in that night there will be two people in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.”

This would seem to indicate the phenomenon of day on one side of the globe while darkness abides on the other.

The Science:

For the world experiences different time zones. In one part of the world, they see the sun setting while the other is in darkness. Another part of the world sees the sun rising. If the world were a flat disk, the sun would light the entire world all at once and there would be no time zones. Granted, flat earth theorists suggest that the sun is kind of like a spot light. But that doesn't really make any sense. Only a spherical Earth can allow for time zones or one part of the world experiencing the sunset while another part of the world sees the sunrise and another part of the world sees night time, etc. In fact, you can even talk and or have a video conference with people on the other side of the globe who is experiencing these different time zone differences.

The Science:

Ships and buildings appear to vanish into the horizon line the farther you move away from them. This only makes sense with a spherical Earth. A flat Earth and we would still see the bottom of ships and buildings from far away.

The Science:

Take an aircraft compass and fly on a plane going East from New York with New York being your return destination. You can do this by flying to Europe (Which is East). Then fly to India (Which is East). Then fly to Tokyo, Japan (Which is East). Then fly to California (Which is East). Then fly back to New York (Which is East). You can use the aircraft compass to check to make sure you are heading East the whole time.

The Science:

533 Astronauts have went to space and brought back pictures and video footage of the Earth showing that the Earth is indeed round or spherical. Some of these astronauts are even Christian. Jeffrey Williams had reported to a church live and talked about His Savior Jesus while he was on the international space station. He brought back photos showing that the Earth is indeed round.

Major Lack of Scientific Evidence for a Flat Earth:

No reports of any pilots or explorers having run into any end points (or drop offs) of the Earth. There should be lots of opportunities for this to happen seeing the flat Earth's edge goes in all directions (North, South, East, West, etc.). Not one of the 533 astronauts that went beyond low orbit has come out to speak about how the Earth is really flat instead of round.
Informative. Peace in Christ :).
 
Upvote 0

Matthew 24 10

Active Member
Feb 28, 2018
135
67
30
Warsaw
✟9,130.00
Country
Poland
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Ball must make good footstool - Isaiah 66

You forgot to mention that ships should disappear from left to right aswell on ocean right ? If earth is not flat then it's not flat in all directions .

Can you show me shooting star upwards on your ball ?
 
  • Agree
Reactions: JacksBratt
Upvote 0

mmksparbud

Well-Known Member
Dec 3, 2011
17,312
6,821
73
Las Vegas
✟255,978.00
Country
United States
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Others
Footstool---Hebrew--hadom

Pronunciation
had-ome'
Parts of Speech
n m
Root Word (Etymology)
from an unused root meaning to stamp upon
Strong's Definitions
hadom, had-ome'; from an unused root meaning to stamp upon; a foot stool: — (foot-) stool.

Origin of the word comes from the practice of having a conquered enemy literally at your feet and the conqueror would place his foot on the neck of his enemy as a sign of total subjugation.



The neck is not flat.
 
Upvote 0

Matthew 24 10

Active Member
Feb 28, 2018
135
67
30
Warsaw
✟9,130.00
Country
Poland
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Footstool---Hebrew--hadom

Pronunciation
had-ome'
Parts of Speech
n m
Root Word (Etymology)
from an unused root meaning to stamp upon
Strong's Definitions
hadom, had-ome'; from an unused root meaning to stamp upon; a foot stool: — (foot-) stool.

Origin of the word comes from the practice of having a conquered enemy literally at your feet and the conqueror would place his foot on the neck of his enemy as a sign of total subjugation.



The neck is not flat.

Psalms 104:5 Says earth shall not be moved , how does it spin and travel through galaxy if it should be not moved at the same time ?
 
  • Agree
Reactions: JacksBratt
Upvote 0

Sanoy

Well-Known Member
Apr 27, 2017
3,169
1,421
America
✟118,024.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
The Bible:

Job 26:10 NIV says,
"He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness."
An additional translation could be...
He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters until the day and night come to an end. Which is a combination of the ESV and KJV. The waters here is the abyss or space. The circle "inscribed" upon it is the plane of the ecliptic or zodiacal band drawn out by the apparent path of the sun over a year. The last half I think refers to Gods promise in Genesis 8:22 and Jeremiah 33:25.

It's traditionally thought to mean the circle of the flat earth but here we can see it's actually pointed the other way into space. I really think the whole idea that the ancients must have believed in a flat earth can be overturned. Take the ascension of Etana. He looks down from the heavens to see all the land surrounded by a circle of water. What we don't often realize is that maps drew water as the boundary of the unknown, making all the known land appear to be in the middle of the ocean. So when the writer of this myth depicts a circle of water he is just imagining the local maps.

That is a good point on Luke 17. I had never considered it like that.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Matthew 24 10

Active Member
Feb 28, 2018
135
67
30
Warsaw
✟9,130.00
Country
Poland
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
An additional translation could be...
He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters until the day and night come to an end. Which is a combination of the ESV and KJV. The waters here is the abyss or space. The circle "inscribed" upon it is the plane of the ecliptic or zodiacal band drawn out by the apparent path of the sun over a year. The last half I think refers to Gods promise in Genesis 8:22 and Jeremiah 33:25.

It's traditionally thought to mean the circle of the flat earth but here we can see it's actually pointed the other way into space.

For me Isaiah knew difference between ball and circle .

Isaiah 22:18
Isaiah 40:22
 
  • Agree
Reactions: JacksBratt
Upvote 0

mmksparbud

Well-Known Member
Dec 3, 2011
17,312
6,821
73
Las Vegas
✟255,978.00
Country
United States
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Others
Ball must make good footstool - Isaiah 66

You forgot to mention that ships should disappear from left to right aswell on ocean right ? If earth is not flat then it's not flat in all directions .

Can you show me shooting star upwards on your ball ?


Have you never seen a lunar eclipse??
th
th
upload_2018-2-28_3-28-56.jpeg
upload_2018-2-28_3-29-17.jpeg
th

Lunar-eclipse-diagram-FREE.jpg
 
  • Useful
Reactions: Halbhh
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

mmksparbud

Well-Known Member
Dec 3, 2011
17,312
6,821
73
Las Vegas
✟255,978.00
Country
United States
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Others
Psalms 104:5 Says earth shall not be moved , how does it spin and travel through galaxy if it should be not moved at the same time ?

(Psa 104:5 JPS) Who didst establish the earth upon its foundations, that it should not be moved for ever and ever;
(Psa 104:5 KJV) Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
New American Standard Bible (NASB ©1995)
— He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever.
Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (EBR 1902)
104:5 He hath fixed the earth on its foundations, It is not to be shaken, to times age-abiding and beyond.

Can you get put there and move it?? It doesn't say it doesn't move at all---that it can not be moved. It isn't going to fall, it is not going to travel aimlessly in space--it has a set path and that is it. Nobody and nothing is going to move it.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Halbhh
Upvote 0

Sanoy

Well-Known Member
Apr 27, 2017
3,169
1,421
America
✟118,024.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
For me Isaiah knew difference between ball and circle .

Isaiah 22:18
Isaiah 40:22

I don't think we can derive an entire cosmological belief from Isaiah 40:22 when circles are exactly what the moon looks like from earth. If you are above and looking down you are only going to see the surface of earth, which would be circular. You wouldn't say that He looks down on the sphere and sees everyone as grasshoppers because half of the people are on the back side and not visible. I don't deny that it 'could' mean that, but I do deny that this single ambiguous word is enough to derive an ancient cosmology from.
 
Upvote 0

Matthew 24 10

Active Member
Feb 28, 2018
135
67
30
Warsaw
✟9,130.00
Country
Poland
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
I don't think we can derive an entire cosmological belief from Isaiah 40:22 when circles are exactly what the moon looks like from earth. If you are above and looking down you are only going to see the surface of earth, which would be circular. You wouldn't say that He looks down on the sphere and sees everyone as grasshoppers because half of the people are on the back side and not visible. I don't deny that it 'could' mean that, but I do deny that this single ambiguous word is enough to derive an ancient cosmology from.

Well we don't have to , we did not argue with math and other proof than bible so far but we can go there if you want .

If you don't believe Isaiah then would you be kind and show me upward shooting star or if it's too hard then since sun is traveling through galaxy and we travel around it , can you show me tail of sun you know that tail like comets make , we could see it since we orbit the sun .
 
Upvote 0

Sanoy

Well-Known Member
Apr 27, 2017
3,169
1,421
America
✟118,024.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
If you don't believe Isaiah then would you be kind and show me upward shooting star or if it's too hard then since sun is traveling through galaxy and we travel around it , can you show me tail of sun you know that tail like comets make , we could see it since we orbit the sun .

If this is Biblically derived, as it appears to be, we should start there. If it is derived through scientific observation then I will do my best to respond. However since I am not a scientist I'm afraid my participation will be nothing more than what I or anyone can google.

I don't understand what you mean by an upward shooting star, or that the sun has a tail.
 
Upvote 0

mmksparbud

Well-Known Member
Dec 3, 2011
17,312
6,821
73
Las Vegas
✟255,978.00
Country
United States
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Others
Well we don't have to , we did not argue with math and other proof than bible so far but we can go there if you want .

If you don't believe Isaiah then would you be kind and show me upward shooting star or if it's too hard then since sun is traveling through galaxy and we travel around it , can you show me tail of sun you know that tail like comets make , we could see it since we orbit the sun .


Can shooting stars travel at an upward angle? • r/askscience

I was just outside, and I've seen many shooting stars, but this one traveled up at an angle. I've never seen this, is this common?

A meteor can appear to travel upward across your field of vision if in 3D space it starts out ahead of you and is coming towards you at a relatively shallow angle to the vertical. Imagine an airplane far in the distance, keeping a constant altitude as it comes towards you and flies over your head. A meteor on a similar (but higher) trajectory would describe a similar path from your perspective.

Meteors do go in all directions. In fact, meteor showers are characterized by a point in the sky from which they appear to emanate, called the radiant, and which determines the name of the shower. Here's a time-exposure of the Perseid meteor shower:


APOD: 2007 August 12 - Raining Perseids


The Radiant of this shower is in the constellation of Perseus, hence the name. In fact, it emanates, at the height of the shower*, from the vicinity of the star cluster identified with Perseus' hand.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Matthew 24 10

Active Member
Feb 28, 2018
135
67
30
Warsaw
✟9,130.00
Country
Poland
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
If this is Biblically derived, as it appears to be, we should start there. If it is derived through scientific observation then I will do my best to respond. However since I am not a scientist I'm afraid my participation will be nothing more than what I or anyone can google.

I don't understand what you mean by an upward shooting star, or that the sun has a tail.

You don't understand both of these because you were never teached to question but to simple accept what is right and what is wrong from books in school and so did i untill i started to question it .

Let's start with star , did you or somebody else ever said " look it's falling star make a wish" ? It's because they all are falling , on globe these falling stars should be falling in all directions upwards aswell and we only see these falling down , nobody ever said " look it's falling star but rising instead of falling down make wish" because they simply don't .

About the sun , if you have torch or mach when you slowly move it the fire will lay a little bit back , if sun would be like that mach/torch traveling at high speed through spinning galaxy it should leave tail of fire behind it like comets do with tails of ice and we would be able to see that tail since we orbit the sun .
 
Upvote 0

mmksparbud

Well-Known Member
Dec 3, 2011
17,312
6,821
73
Las Vegas
✟255,978.00
Country
United States
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Others
You don't understand both of these because you were never teached to question but to simple accept what is right and what is wrong from books in school and so did i untill i started to question it .

Let's start with star , did you or somebody else ever said " look it's falling star make a wish" ? It's because they all are falling , on globe these falling stars should be falling in all directions upwards aswell and we only see these falling down , nobody ever said " look it's falling star but rising instead of falling down make wish" because they simply don't .

About the sun , if you have torch or mach when you slowly move it the fire will lay a little bit back , if sun would be like that mach/torch traveling at high speed through spinning galaxy it should leave tail of fire behind it like comets do with tails of ice and we would be able to see that tail since we orbit the sun .


I guess you never did see a lunar eclipse. The earths round shadow is obvious.
 
Upvote 0

Matthew 24 10

Active Member
Feb 28, 2018
135
67
30
Warsaw
✟9,130.00
Country
Poland
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
I guess you never did see a lunar eclipse. The earths round shadow is obvious.
Actually i did and i understand that shadow of object is always the same size of object or greater but never smaller than the object .

How come shadow of moon in recent eclipse was 70 miles wide while moon according to globe model has 1100 miles ?
 
Upvote 0

Sanoy

Well-Known Member
Apr 27, 2017
3,169
1,421
America
✟118,024.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
You don't understand both of these because you were never teached to question but to simple accept what is right and what is wrong from books in school and so did i untill i started to question it .

Let's start with star , did you or somebody else ever said " look it's falling star make a wish" ? It's because they all are falling , on globe these falling stars should be falling in all directions upwards aswell and we only see these falling down , nobody ever said " look it's falling star but rising instead of falling down make wish" because they simply don't .

About the sun , if you have torch or mach when you slowly move it the fire will lay a little bit back , if sun would be like that mach/torch traveling at high speed through spinning galaxy it should leave tail of fire behind it like comets do with tails of ice and we would be able to see that tail since we orbit the sun .

I just watched a video of the Geminid Meteor shower on youtube and they are going up down and all directions in appearance. I also don't understand how this would be evidence of a flat earth even if they only went down.

Can you show me a typical healthy star that has a tail of fire on it? I don't think we can use props on earth to determine how cosmic bodies behave in space. So given the numerous stars out there we should be able to form our expectations from the source. Unless they are all moving towards us we should see a tail from one somewhere. (not a dying star like Mira)

I won't be able to reply much until far later today so if someone could take this up in a respectful manner I'd appreciate it.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums