Florida high school shooting, 17 dead

[CherubRam]

Police have taken Nikolas de Jesus Cruz into custody.

There have been 18 school attacks in the past six weeks.

If teachers were armed there would not be as many deaths.

Liberals are causing the deaths of many children by their rules.

Nikolas Cruz, identified as Florida high school shooting suspect, reportedly showed warning signs

 

[A_Thinker]

Police have taken Nikolas de Jesus Cruz into custody.

There have been 18 school attacks in the past six weeks.

If teachers were armed there would not be as many deaths.

Liberals are causing the deaths of many children by their rules.

Nikolas Cruz, identified as Florida high school shooting suspect, reportedly showed warning signs

Combining the role of teacher with armed guard doesn't seem viable.

Metal detectors might be a more viable solution.

 

[drjean]

All the teachers could do was cover students with their bodies to try and protect them. This former student was mentally ill yet no one locked him up... tragedy.

NOW Pam Bondi says... we will provide counseling, pay for burials... HUH?
EACH school needs a school psychologist!!!! They have a few who do rounds but no ongoing help. NOW taxpayers have to pay to help traumatized? Ok, but why not pay for psychologists FIRST!?

There are gofund me pages going up... FL State gov. pulling fraudulent ones....

Only 12 dead have been identified so far. Since they left their backpacks for LEO to review, no IDs on students.... 5 more to go? SO SAD for parents! For students! For fellow teachers!

South Florida traumatized again. I'm ready to leave.

St Valentine's day.
Miami Dade county gave out free County logo'd condoms (area is #1 in HIV/AIDS rates 1 in 89 people are infected!)

Sick sick south Florida. I'm gonna miss ya (birthplace.)

 

[CherubRam]

All the teachers could do was cover student with their bodies. This former student was mentally ill yet no one locked him up... tragedy.

If the teachers were armed they could do more let the children be killed.

 

[drjean]

Yep. Only former students can enter schools armed. If teachers were brave enough to cover students to try and protect them, you betcha that they'd aim and shoot first!

Students will probably be required to sew id into all clothes, so LEO can identify them sooner... in the future. OR wait for it... tatoo a number OR chip it on their arms? NWO people will take advantage.

For all we know, this guy has been radicalized... not necessary by a religious group, but by those who are NWO and want to take over the world. There are documents, verified... the manifesto of the NWO and they are not beneath aiding and creating scenarios and fears (and "flu"s) to progress to control.

 

[visionary]

Yep. Only former students can enter schools armed. If teachers were brave enough to cover students to try and protect them, you betcha that they'd aim and shoot first!

Students will probably be required to sew id into all clothes, so LEO can identify them sooner... in the future. OR wait for it... tatoo a number OR chip it on their arms? NWO people will take advantage.

For all we know, this guy has been radicalized... not necessary by a religious group, but by those who are NWO and want to take over the world. There are documents, verified... the manifesto of the NWO and they are not beneath aiding and creating scenarios and fears (and "flu"s) to progress to control.

There is some indication that you are on the right track.

 

[Ancient of Days]

The vast majority of these shootings all have one thing in common. They were all on prescription medication. I would be willing to bet this is the same.

 

[Zoii]

Police have taken Nikolas de Jesus Cruz into custody.

There have been 18 school attacks in the past six weeks.

If teachers were armed there would not be as many deaths.

Liberals are causing the deaths of many children by their rules.

Nikolas Cruz, identified as Florida high school shooting suspect, reportedly showed warning signs

Your blaming the fact that the teachers were not armed like Rambo which caused the deaths? A 19 year old being armed to the teeth, walking into a school and shooting kids - surely that stands out as the anomaly in the USA.

At some point the USA is going to face the fact that throwing further weapons into the equation exacerbates the issue whereby you have 15590 gun related deaths (2017) the equivalent of a 9/11 more than 5 times a year.

I really feel for the parents. My heart aches for the community there but those poor poor parents. If I can provide any encouragement at all it would be this:
Australia had 13 mass shooting events in the 17 years leading to 1996. After an event in 1996 automatic and semi automatic weapons were banned and people were required to hand them in and laws severely toughened on gun ownership. Since 1996 there have been ZERO mass shootings in Australia. I say this not as a criticism but as an encouragement.

 

[Ancient of Days]

But knife murders have risen from 30 to 41 per cent over the last decade in Australia. The population of Australia is 24 million, the population of the USA is 323 million. Not a very fair comparison Zoii. It has nothing to do with the weapon used. Whether its a truck, a car, airplane, knife, firearm, or a baseball bat it doesn't matter.
Its a sin problem.

 

[Zoii]

But knife murders have risen from 30 to 41 per cent over the last decade in Australia. The population of Australia is 24 million, the population of the USA is 323 million. Not a very fair comparison Zoii. It has nothing to do with the weapon used. Whether its a truck, a car, airplane, knife, firearm, or a baseball bat it doesn't matter.
Its a sin problem.

Yes murder by knife has increased as the percentage of murders as murder by gun has fallen drastically since the 90s. But there were not mass killing events. Thats my point and please - its not a criticism. No matter what project any of us do, the first step is to benchmark. Im just highlighting a possible benchmark of a previous project in Australia.

To your last point - when someone has an intent to do mass harm, they take the easiest route to achieve their end and focus on an area that will represent the subject of their discontent. Risk mitigation is about identifying how someone will achieve their end. In the USA a gun has been shown to be the easiest method. Las Vegas highlighted that but its been repeated many many many times before and will be again in a few weeks if not sooner - thats your evidence base. The weapon IS the key - mass events with a stone/knife...well thats not going to work.....gun will definitely. Car will but not as effective as a gun and your own law enforment agency FBI has plainly stated that issue.

You highlighted a few methods eg aeroplane car etc - in each case the strategy is to eliminate access first and foremost - look how hard it is to get a gun on a plane - result is ZERO events

With a car - up sprung bollards in promenades - result is events still occur but its getting harder and harder. So why not the same approach to guns. By arming more people isnt that a reactive approach instead of proactive.

As I said this is a US internal issue and Ive said enough. You have no need to justify your culture of gun ownership.

 

[Ancient of Days]

No. Nothing stops a bad guy with a gun so much as a good guy with a gun. That's why the police are armed. But the police cant be everywhere at all times. Civilians are and are usually the victims. Who is always at a crime scene? Civilians. There are hundred's of story's here every year of an armed civilian protecting him or herself with a firearm whether its discharged or not and living to tell the story. But the corrupt agenda driven mainstream media never reports on those story's. You folks that live outside the USA really need to take what you see on the mainstream news with a grain of salt.

"In the USA a gun has been shown to be the easiest method."


But that is my whole point, the weapon a murderer uses is totally irrelevant. Take away the firearm, they will use a knife. Take away the knife and they will use a car. Take away the car and they will use a hammer. Do you see where this is going? You people cannot find a solution because you blame the weapon used. As a Christian you should understand its a sin problem. Cane and Abel ring a bell? As long as this sinful world moves forward there has been and will always be sin.

 

[A_Thinker]

But knife murders have risen from 30 to 41 per cent over the last decade in Australia. The population of Australia is 24 million, the population of the USA is 323 million. Not a very fair comparison Zoii. It has nothing to do with the weapon used. Whether its a truck, a car, airplane, knife, firearm, or a baseball bat it doesn't matter.

You can't kill as many people with a knife as you can with semi-automatic weapons.

Its a sin problem.

And the sin problem HERE will only get worse. So how do we mitigate the losses ?

 

[CherubRam]

In America, if guns are outlawed, then only criminals will have them. Besides, the latest thing is to blow people up.

 

[Ancient of Days]

You can't kill as many people with a knife as you can with semi-automatic weapons.



And the sin problem HERE will only get worse. So how do we mitigate the losses ?

"At least 19 people were killed and 26 injured in a stabbing spree at a facility for disabled people west of Tokyo, making it one of Japan's deadliest mass killings since World War II. Nine men and 10 women, ranging in age from 18 to 70, were killed in the attack."

There are many more story's like it.

"So how do we mitigate the losses?" Pray, train people, teach people about situational awareness. Until the sin problem is resolved people will need to be armed because the fact of this world is there are people who want to kill other people. There is NO way to stop that.

 

[drjean]

Since doctors are not allowed, by law, to ask a patient if he has access/owns a firearm... well go figure. IF this guy was ever committed to a hospital for mental health issues, then he should not have been able to BUY the AK 47... IF he bought it.

This guy had threatened other students when he was in school, and fellow students "knew" he had guns at home""....

System is overwhelmed.

WHERE was the school security officer? One of "safest" schools in country?

 

[Ancient of Days]

How about posting signs like this at schools.

Instead of signs that tell them everyone is unarmed and many victims can be found inside this building like the signs at my kids old schools saying "Firearms are banned on these facility's". Signs like that are a welcome mat for those who want to do harm. How come no one ever talks about the fact that there are ZERO mass shootings at police stations. Why? Because everyone is armed and the bad guy knows he wont make it far. Lets stop making places soft targets...

 

[A_Thinker]

"At least 19 people were killed and 26 injured in a stabbing spree at a facility for disabled people ... "

That fact undoubtably made a difference ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Until the sin problem is resolved people will need to be armed because the fact of this world is there are people who want to kill other people.

Jesus and His followers weren't armed. Is there any command in the scriptures to arm oneself ?

 

[Zoii]

"At least 19 people were killed and 26 injured in a stabbing spree at a facility for disabled people west of Tokyo, making it one of Japan's deadliest mass killings since World War II. Nine men and 10 women, ranging in age from 18 to 70, were killed in the attack."

There are many more story's like it.

"So how do we mitigate the losses?" Pray, train people, teach people about situational awareness. Until the sin problem is resolved people will need to be armed because the fact of this world is there are people who want to kill other people. There is NO way to stop that.

Havent you just highlighted the point I made? You really have to get your googling fingers going to find a mass event involving a knife. Its just because its quite hard to do before you're pounced on. But sure, your right - the victims were disabled so I'm sure overwhelming him was hard. But look how unusual mass events are with a knife.
In contrast you have 18 mass school shootings in the last 45 days. 18 school shootings in 45 days — Florida massacre is one of many tragedies in 2018

Can you not see how bizarre that is and how, unlike any other western country your risk aversion strategies are failing. If they are failing you need to do something courageously different not more of the same.

 

[Ancient of Days]

Yeah, a two second search turned up these. story of a mass killing with a knife - Google Search All the gun laws do is tie the hands of honest law abiding citizens. They DO NOT affect the criminal BECAUSE criminals DO NOT OBEY THE LAWS. The only time it comes into affect is AFTER they have committed a crime. Please show me one instance where a firearm law stopped a criminal from committing a crime?