Daniel 9:24-25 Seventy Weeks, A Future Literal 490 Day Period

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According to the declarations of Christ and Paul in Luke 24 and Acts 13, the "fulfillment of all things written of Christ" includes the 70th week.


A review of my very last post will clearly reveal, you are not interpreting the Scriptures you allude to in the context they specifically refer to. There is no conflict in the Scriptures and the 70th week of Daniel HAS NOT been fulfilled. Within the gap of time between the 69th and the 70th weeks, contain the final disposition of Israel as well as the entire Church age.


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A review of my very last post will clearly reveal, you are not interpreting the Scriptures you allude to in the context they specifically refer to. There is no conflict in the Scriptures and the 70th week of Daniel HAS NOT been fulfilled. Within the gap of time between the 69th and the 70th weeks, contain the final disposition of Israel as well as the entire Church age.


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I certainly agree that there is no conflict. That is why "all things" must include the 70th week.
 
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According to the declarations of Christ and Paul in Luke 24 and Acts 13, the "fulfillment of all things written of Christ" includes the 70th week.


FYI, Jesus has no part of the seven year tribulation, but returns in Rev.19:11-21 with the Church , in verse 14, and ends it. Jesus has not yet made His second coming to the earth. The Great Tribulation, the final 3.5 years of it, are what is called the Day of the Lord. Your claim the 70th week of Dan.9:27 has already taken place is dead wrong!


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FYI, Jesus has no part of the seven year tribulation, but returns in Rev.19:11-21 with the Church , in verse 14, and ends it. Jesus has not yet made His second coming to the earth. The Great Tribulation, the final 3.5 years of it, are what is called the Day of the Lord. Your claim the 70th week of Dan.9:27 has already taken place is dead wrong!


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Has Daniel 9:24 been fulfilled?
 
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God actually encoded the completion of the 70 weeks in the prophecy..
The Law was given in 1447BC on Mt Sinai. From 1447BC to 73AD, the end of the 70th week, sums at 1519 years. (Remember there is no year 0).

Now God divided the 70 weeks into 3 portions, 62, 7, and 1 week. Why might he do that? Let's see.

The 1 week is divided in half. The Hebrew word used here (Chetsiy - translated 'in the midst') , means precisely that, 'halved', ('in the midpoint').

So we have 62, 7 and 0.5

62 X 7 X .5 = 217

217 sevens is of course 217 X 7... which sums at?

217 X 7 = 1519

Is this an accident? lol. Do you think the God who created the universe deals in accidents?
 
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With reference to Paul being an Israelite, he was also a member of the one body of Christ, the Church. It doesn't make a bit of difference what country you are a citizen of,

Paul was not just establishing his citizenship.

He was revealing his genealogy.



Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Therefore, Paul has just destroyed your Two Peoples of God distinction between Israel and the Church.

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Dan.9:24 is the bottom line fulfillment of the entire prophecy, excluded from the 59 weeks/483 years of the fulilled portion of it in 70 A.D.


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Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeksc are decreed about your people (ISRAEL) and your holy city (JERUSALEM), 1.) to finish the transgression, 2.) to put an end to sin, 3.) and to atone for iniquity, 4.) to bring in everlasting righteousness, 5.) to seal both vision and prophet, 6.) and to anoint a most holy place.

1.) finish transgression
Hebrews 9:15 now that He has died to redeem them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
2.) put an end to sin
Hebrews 9:26 But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
3.)atone for iniquity
Hebrews 2:17 So He had to be made like His brothers in every way, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people
4.) bring in everlasting righteousness
1 Corinthians 1:30 It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God: our righteousness, holiness, and redemption
5.) seal up vision and prophet
Luke 24:44Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”
6.) anoint most holy place
Hebrews 9:12 He did not enter by the blood of goats and calves, but He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.
Hebrews 1:9 You have lovedrighteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has placed You above Your companions by anointing You with the oil of joy.”e

All these are fulfilled in Christ. All these were fulfilled in Christ.
 
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Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (See Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

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The problem is that the 'pesha', rebellion against God, continued after Christ's resurrection. Many Jews still rejected Jesus, and the religious leaders actively stoked the Jews to disbelief through lies and propaganda. So the rebellion most certainly was not finished in AD33, and neither is there any scripture to support that idea.

Furthermore Paul talks about the severing of the Jews from the community of Israel in Romans 11, but this never actually took place in his lifetime. Did it?
 
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As there has been some misunderstanding of prophetic time periods posted here, I will try to clarify.

First, the words "weeks" and "week" do not appear in the Hebrew text. There, the word is shabuwa, which literally translates as "sevened." This word was used in regard to a period of seven days, and also to a period of seven years. So a conclusion that this means weeks of years is not based on the "one day means one year" theory, but is simply a literal interpretation of one of the actual meanings of this Hebrew word.

Second, we need to also realize that, when we understand Hebrew time measurement, the various time periods stated in Bible prophecy are in ABSOLUTE agreement. For a Jewish year was composed of 12 months of thirty days each, making a year 360 days long.

So the time from the when the order to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was given, until our Lord made his triumphal entry into Jerusalem, was 483 Jewish years, which is EXACTLY 69 shabuwa. leaving one more shabuwa, which is clearly stated to be divided at its center.

And half of seven Jewish years equals EXACTLY 1260 days, AND also equals EXACTLY 42 Jewish months.

We should also note that, in ALL the places where the week is spoken of as seven years, the actual ancient word used is one that would be understood to mean a year, but did not actually mean a literal year. This, in my opinion, was done because the Holy Spirit, who inspired these words uses, knew that a Jewish year was not actually a year. So he used terms that would be understood to mean a year, but never actually said that, because He was speaking of Jewish years, not literal years.
 
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As there has been some misunderstanding of prophetic time periods posted here, I will try to clarify.

First, the words "weeks" and "week" do not appear in the Hebrew text. There, the word is shabuwa, which literally translates as "sevened." This word was used in regard to a period of seven days, and also to a period of seven years. So a conclusion that this means weeks of years is not based on the "one day means one year" theory, but is simply a literal interpretation of one of the actual meanings of this Hebrew word.

Second, we need to also realize that, when we understand Hebrew time measurement, the various time periods stated in Bible prophecy are in ABSOLUTE agreement. For a Jewish year was composed of 12 months of thirty days each, making a year 360 days long.

So the time from the when the order to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was given, until our Lord made his triumphal entry into Jerusalem, was 483 Jewish years, which is EXACTLY 69 shabuwa. leaving one more shabuwa, which is clearly stated to be divided at its center.

And half of seven Jewish years equals EXACTLY 1260 days, AND also equals EXACTLY 42 Jewish months.

We should also note that, in ALL the places where the week is spoken of as seven years, the actual ancient word used is one that would be understood to mean a year, but did not actually mean a literal year. This, in my opinion, was done because the Holy Spirit, who inspired these words uses, knew that a Jewish year was not actually a year. So he used terms that would be understood to mean a year, but never actually said that, because He was speaking of Jewish years, not literal years.

When Sir Robert Anderson wrote his book "The Coming Prince", he admitted that the Israelites made period corrections to their 360 day calendar and then he proceeded to ignore this fact in the rest of his book.

You have made the same error, as have the many Dispensationalists who often cite Anderson's work.

An error of only 5 1/4 days per year will reverse the seasons in 35 years.

This would have been catastrophic to any nation which depends on the correct timing of planting crops.

Read the book "The Atonement Clock" by Christian Gedge to understand the ancient Hebrew calendar.


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The Israelites had a lunar calendar, which is around 354 days.
The 360 day prophetic calendar is another thing.
490 solar years = around 497 prophetic years

However the lunar year conforms to the solar year, and not vice versa, as the Israelites added an extra month (Adar 2) every third year or so.

So a 'Jewish year', or Hebrew year, is absolutely no different really to a normal year, once the pattern is more than two or three years.

For instance, 483 years previous to the Lord's triumphal entry would be 454BC

But there is no decree at this time pertaining to the Temple. That is a complete red herring. The initial decree was issued in 538BC, and then re-issued in 521BC. Very basic stuff really

The things that I am explaining are not that complicated. They just require a little attention.
 
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Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeksc are decreed about your people (ISRAEL) and your holy city (JERUSALEM), 1.) to finish the transgression, 2.) to put an end to sin, 3.) and to atone for iniquity, 4.) to bring in everlasting righteousness, 5.) to seal both vision and prophet, 6.) and to anoint a most holy place.

1.) finish transgression
Hebrews 9:15 now that He has died to redeem them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
2.) put an end to sin
Hebrews 9:26 But now He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
3.)atone for iniquity
Hebrews 2:17 So He had to be made like His brothers in every way, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people
4.) bring in everlasting righteousness
1 Corinthians 1:30 It is because of Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God: our righteousness, holiness, and redemption
5.) seal up vision and prophet
Luke 24:44Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”
6.) anoint most holy place
Hebrews 9:12 He did not enter by the blood of goats and calves, but He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.
Hebrews 1:9 You have lovedrighteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has placed You above Your companions by anointing You with the oil of joy.”e

All these are fulfilled in Christ. All these were fulfilled in Christ.


All of the conditions referred to in Dan..924 were brought in by Christ in His first advent. But will not be fulfilled until He returns in His second coming, when He sits on the throne of David, in His 1,000 year Kingdom on earth, as recorded in Acts 2:29-30; 15:16 and Rev.19:11-21, together with Rev.20:6.

Those conditions are all that pertain to the behavior of mankind. None of which took place at Jesus first advent.

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All of the conditions referred to in Dan..924 were brought in by Christ in His first advent. But will not be fulfilled until He returns in His second coming, when He sits on the throne of David, in His 1,000 year Kingdom on earth, as recorded in Acts 2:29-30; 15:16 and Rev.19:11-21, together with Rev.20:6.

Those conditions are all that pertain to the behavior of mankind. None of which took place at Jesus first advent.

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They are not conditions. They are accomplishments. Each one is described using a verb.

According to Luke 24 and Acts 13, they are fulfilled accomplishments.
 
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Except Daniel 9 is addressed to Jerusalem and Judah.
24 “Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city:
That time frame is not directly concerning Christ

The New Covenant had already been promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Daniel was reading from the Book of Jeremiah when the angel Gabriel appeared.

Daniel 9 is the timeline of the New Covenant Messiah.



Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner



On the Road to Emmaus the risen Savior said the whole Old Testament is about Him.
Luke 24:25-27


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No. The book of Jeremiah in regards to the punishment of Jerusalem and the Jews. That is what Daniel refers to in the Book of Jeremiah. (Else you have 50 odd chapters you can randomly select from).

Daniel is not praying for the coming of Christ, but for the restoration of Jerusalem and the Israelites.

16 O Lord, in view of all your righteous acts, let your anger and wrath, we pray, turn away from your city Jerusalem, your holy mountain; because of our sins and the iniquities of our ancestors, Jerusalem and your people have become a disgrace among all our neighbors. 17 Now therefore, O our God, listen to the prayer of your servant and to his supplication, and for your own sake, Lord, let your face shine upon your desolated sanctuary. 18 Incline your ear, O my God, and hear. Open your eyes and look at our desolation and the city that bears your name. We do not present our supplication before you on the ground of our righteousness, but on the ground of your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, listen and act and do not delay! For your own sake, O my God, because your city and your people bear your name!”
 
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