Would Judas have been lost, if he hadn't been lost...?

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I find the story of Judas a beautiful one, I fully believe that there was redemption in his betrayal. Yes judas continued to make mistakes after coming to the truth and yes he betrayed Christ. however after realizing what he had done, he went to repent and return the money and recant. and when it was told to him it was too late he was tormented and driven to a point where he was not in his right and stable mind, for he knew what he had just done. and judas knowing the law and being who he was, offered his own life to God as repentance for killing the Messiah. nobody can ever know 100% the outcome of Judas after death but I really hope and pray that ill see him one day around the mercy seat. when I look at judas I choose to look at grace and love, and hopefully redemption. because if there was no redemption for him then I feel there is no redemption for me.
The scripture that comes to mind in Judas's case...after realizing what he had done...

they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
 
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so salvation did not apply to those in the old testament?

those who practiced the law before Christ had been slain, they were still saved. God showed mercy upon them...

Judas I feel was in the same category as that. im not claiming heresy to say that God is willing and just to forgive. and im not saying that im 100% correct, I said this is how I choose to believe that he was offered redemption even in his sin.

the GRACE of God surpasses us all, and the redemption story is one for the ages. I would only hope that Judas would be with us in Heaven, I would hope that he was redeemed. because reading through his story obviously he felt remorse and repentance. none of us can actually say for sure the outcome. only God knows his heart.
 
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I suspect that we'll see Judas in Paradise. Gospel tradition can't resist the temptation to vilify him and his act of betrayal was clearly prompted by Satanic influence. It is the Johannine editor, not Jesus, who labels the treasurer Judas a thief (John 12:6) and I suspect that this is an unfair cheap shot to sully his image. Judas is more of a tragic figure than an evil figure. His repentance, confession of sin, and courageous return of the 30 pieces of silver put his own life at risk and His suicide demonstrates his remorse for his betrayal (Matthew 27:3-5). By contrast, Peter never returned to the high priest's courtyard to renounce his triple denial of Jesus!

So why does Judas betray Jesus? Judas's name "Iscariot" is often interpreted as "man of Kerioth." But Kerioth is just a tiny inconsequential village and it seems unlikely that Judas would be distinguished in that way. More likely is the conjecture that it means "the Sicarius," a Latin word that literally means "dagger man" and can be the Latin equivalent of the Aramaic "Iscariot." The Sicarii were a Jewish revolutionary group who hid in crowds at festivals and assassinated wealthy Jewish traitors who were benefitting from the Roman occupation. Judas was no doubt attracted to Jesus' messianic claims because contemporary Judaism expected a Messiah King who would lead the liberation of Palestine from Roman occupation.

Some of Jesus' other disciples may have joined His band for the same reason: for example, Simon the Zealot may have been a member of the revolutionary Zealot movement and Peter's Aramaic name, "Simon barjona" can mean Simon the rebel rather than Simon the son of Jonah. These disciples were disappointed and, in Judas's case, perhaps disillusioned when, later in Jesus' public ministry, He revealed His mission to die for our sins. Peter even rebukes Jesus for this disclosure (Mark 8:30). They are shocked that Jesus is the first interpreter to apply the Suffering Servant Song in Isaiah 53 to the Messiah--indeed, Himself.
By Holy Week, Judas reaches his breaking point: Jesus allows Mary to pour 300 days' wages of costly nard on His feet and Judas understandably perceives this as an ego-aggrandizing waste: "Why was this perfume not sold for 300 denarii and the money give to the poor (John 12:5)?" From Judas's perspective as an advocate for the oppressed poor, part of Jesus' response seems grandiose and insensitive to the poor: "You always have the poor with you, but you don't always have me (12:9)." Jesus merits Mary's act of devotion, but I can empathize with Judas's objection to Jesus' defeatist claim that the poor will always be present. a claim that, for Judas, is inconsistent with Jesus vision of a quest to minimize poverty.

Clearly, Judas is honestly disillusioned and makes arrangements to turn Jesus in as a Messianic pretender. In Judas's call to discipleship, Jesus likely viewed him as one of His most promising disciples. After all, Jesus trusted Judas enough to serve as His treasurer. And no, I don't believe Jesus was sadistic enough to recruit Judas just to see him later fail. Jesus was limited in His knowledge. But Judas and Jesus probably had an unrecorded heated exchange that prompted Judas to turn Him in and led to Jesus' awareness that Judas's absence meant the prospect of his betrayal.

If only Judas had not committed suicide before Christ's resurrection! I believe Jesus would have appeared to Judas, forgiven him as He did Peter, and mightily used him.
 
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Would Judas have been lost, if he had not been lost, or have killed himself...?

What would he have been had he not chosen to kill himself...?

Could he have been a very powerful witness for Christ...?

Comments...?

God Bless!
Here it is...the truth of the matter... Judas Iscariot ISN'T lost.
The man was chosen by Christ and named 'apostle' by the Lord.

Here is more truth.
There are no apostles of the Lord in "hell."

Here is more truth...Judas gave forth fruits worthy of repentance:

Matthew 27:3-10 (KJV)
3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
--- --- --- --- --- --
6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.
9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;
10 And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me.

Now, I don't know where you are at in your knowledge of the truth already, but if and when you have your doctrine in the right places then the conclusion you arrive at would be assent to my first truth.
 
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I suspect that we'll see Judas in Paradise. Gospel tradition can't resist the temptation to villefy him and his act of betrayal was clearly prompted by Satanic influence. It is the Johannine editor, not Jesus, who labels the treasurer Judas a thief (John 12:6) and I suspect that this is an unfair cheap shot to sully his image. Judas is more of a tragic figure than an evil figure. His repentance, confession of sin, and courageous return of the 30 pieces of silver put his own life at risk and His suicide demonstrates his remorse for his betrayal (Matthew 27:3-5). By contrast, Peter never returned to the high priest's courtyard to renounce his triple denial of Jesus!

So why does Judas betray Jesus? Judas's name "Iscariot" is often interpreted as "man of Kerioth." But Kerioth is just a tiny inconsequential village and it seems unlikely that Judas would be distinguished in that way. More likely is the conjecture that it means "the Sicarius," a Latin word that literally means "dagger man" and can be the Latin equivalent of the Aramaic "Iscariot." The Sicarii were a Jewish revolutionary group who hid in crowds at festivals and assassinated wealthy Jewish traitors who were benefitting from the Roman occupation. Judas was no doubt attracted to Jesus' messianic claims because contemporary Judaism expected a Messiah King who would lead the liberation of Palestine from Roman occupation.

Some of Jesus' other disciples may have joined His band for the same reason: for example, Simon the Zealot may have been a member of the revolutionary Zealot movement and Peter's Aramaic name, "Simon barjona" can mean Simon the rebel rather than Simon the son of Jonah. These disciples were disappointed and, in Judas's case, perhaps disillusioned when, later in Jesus' public ministry, He revealed His mission to die for our sins. Peter even rebukes Jesus for this disclosure (Mark 8:30). They are shocked that Jesus is the first interpreter to apply the Suffering Servant Song in Isaiah 53 to the Messiah--indeed, Himself.
By Holy Week, Judas reaches his breaking point: Jesus allows Mary to pour 300 days' wages of costly nard on His feet and Judas understandably perceives this as an ego-aggrandizing waste: "Why was this perfume not sold for 300 denarii and the money give to the poor (John 12:5)?" From Judas's perspective as an advocate for the oppressed poor, part of Jesus' response seems grandiose and insensitive to the poor: "You always have the poor with you, but you don't always have me (12:9)." Jesus merits Mary's act of devotion, but I can empathize with Judas's objection to Jesus' defeatist claim that the poor will always be present. a claim that, for Judas, is inconsistent with Jesus vision of a quest to minimize poverty.

Clearly, Judas is honestly disillusioned and makes arrangements to turn Jesus in as a Messianic pretender. In Judas's call to discipleship, Jesus likely viewed him as one of His most promising disciples. After all, Jesus trusted Judas enough to serve as His treasurer. And no, I don't believe Jesus was sadistic enough to recruit Judas just to see him later fail. Jesus was limited in His knowledge. But Judas and Jesus probably had an unrecorded heated exchange that prompted Judas to turn Him in and led to Jesus' awareness that Judas's absence meant the prospect of his betrayal.

If only Judas had not committed suicide before Christ's resurrection! I believe Jesus would have appeared to Judas, forgiven him as He did Peter, and mightily used him.
Excellent.

I like your insight into the cultural differences between 21st century western-free-world systems and the culture of Jesus' day and looking at these events through the eyes of an Hebrew/"Jew" and how the priest's failure to uphold the Law against Judas for being complicit in the death of an innocent man. What was the penalty again?
Oh yeah...death by stoning. The priests in response to Judas' confession of sin, repentance in returning the money, and among being promised a throne in heaven with the other eleven disciples was NAMED "apostle" by the Lord who chose him (Lk. 6:12-13)
On this alone I do not want to contradict my Lord. That is equivalent to calling Him a liar, so I also rest my neck on this foundational truth...

there are no apostles of the Lord in "hell."
 
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Would Judas have been lost, if he had not been lost, or have killed himself...?

What would he have been had he not chosen to kill himself...?

Could he have been a very powerful witness for Christ...?

Comments...?

God Bless!
How was he lost?what couldn't he find?
Are you asking if He didn't know Christ and hadn't made a choice after thinking about it would He had killed himself? Answers sounds like no....but the fact he thought about his choice having known Christ ...and acted on it....made him choose to kill himself.
 
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Peter denied the Lord and he humbled Himself and the risen Jesus restored him. If Judas had done the same and prayed Psalm 51, the risen Lord would have restored him too.
I feel like Judas' sin was greater and more grave than Peter's. Not all sin has the exact same consequence... What Judas did was evil...however it was already prophesied he was the son of perdition... I don't think he could have changed that course... Or maybe he could...I'm not sure.
 
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Would Judas have been lost, if he had not been lost, or have killed himself...?

What would he have been had he not chosen to kill himself...?

Could he have been a very powerful witness for Christ...?

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God Bless!

What if the moon were made of cheese? What if you were made of cheese? This idle speculation is the same thing.
 
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I feel like Judas' sin was greater and more grave than Peter's. Not all sin has the exact same consequence... What Judas did was evil...however it was already prophesied he was the son of perdition... I don't think he could have changed that course... Or maybe he could...I'm not sure.
Really? Where in scripture does it state this? To be angry with your brother is tantamount to murder.

For the wages of sin is death...

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
 
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Interesting to note that Jesus chose the whole twelve, even knowing one was a devil...in light of when Jesus was hanging on the cross, He asked His father to forgive them because they didn't know what they were doing...they were fulfilling God's purpose (He purposed in Himself from the beginning) just as much...

I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

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Yet still it was Judas's own doing that he is with those who suffer. Not what God did. God does not tempt people to do evil.

For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.
 
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JUDAS ISCARIOT

Matthew 27:3 "Then Judas, which had betrayed Him, when he saw that He was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,"

Judas is the one that betrayed Jesus for the thirty pieces of silver. Judas saw what these religious leaders had done in condemning Jesus by trial, and bringing Him to Pilate to be crucified, and Judas was sorry for what he had done. Now don't read over this. JUDAS REPENTED HIMSELF. This was not the unforgivable sin that Judas committed, and upon repentance there is forgiveness.

Matthew 27:4 "Saying, "I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood." And they said, "What is that to us? see thou to that."

These chief priests and elders used Judas for the betrayal, and then they discarded him. Satan and his children, the Kenites have no respect for anything that is in their way.

This is an prime example as it will be at the coming of the Antichrist. All those dear souls that believe Satan, the Antichrist is the True Christ will be used by him and discarded in the same manner as Judas. That is Satan's manner and character, and that is also the character of the his offspring, the Kenites [Rev.2:9 & 3:9], only it will be a spiritual death.

Matthew 27:5 "And he cast down the pieces of silver in the Temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

hanged - 519 apagchomai (ap-ang'-khom-ahee) from 575 and agcho (to choke; kin to the base of 43); to strangle oneself off (i.e. to death): KJV-- hang himself.

Many teach that Judas went out and committed suicide here but that is not the case. Analyze it in the Greek for what really happened. The very word "Hanged" means suffocation. It can even mean suffocation with grief.

Acts 1:18; "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

The purchase of the field was made by the false Kenite religious leaders, with the thirty pieces of silver that Judas threw on the floor of the temple. Now pay attention: "falling headlong he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." Why was this? Because He was murdered, he was cut wide open, not hanged as some translators would have you believe. Judas was murdered after he repented, He did not commit suicide as the traditional doctrine would have you believe. Judas was murdered by having his stomach ripped wide open, and all of his insides gushing and pouring out of him.

What happens when you repent, is that God says you are forgiven of all sin, and when Judas repented, that evil act, that sin of betraying our Lord was blotted out, just as every evil act committed today is forgiven when repented before the Lord.

The reason we are to pay attention to the word "repented", for repentance brings forgiveness. Lets go to Acts 1 to see what the best account of this event has to say. Christ has risen at this point and the ascension has taken place. Jesus told His disciples to wait in Jerusalem for the forty days, and they would receive the filling of the Holy Spirit of God. It was during this wait the Peter discusses what happened surrounding the events of Judas' death.

It was the Sanhedrin, the high counsel of the Temple was the one that paid the fee to have even Judas delivered up to death. Most of the Christian world has allowed themselves to accept man`s tradition, over just plain common sense.

Their record of this is like the newspaper report in Texas that said the man committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head seven times. The record doesn't add up.

This matter made a great deal of difference to Judas, and I hope it causes you to wake up to a lot of other tradition that is just pure nonsense. The second witness concerning the hanging, states that Judas was murdered after his repentance.

Matthew 27:6 "And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, "It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood."

Can't you just see that chief priest on his hands and knees picking up the silver and counting each piece as it goes into his hand. What is new in the religious community?

Matthew 27:7 "And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.

The real beauty of this is that Christ was sent to only Israel in the beginning, and that blood money paid the price for the entire field which, symbolized, is the world. The sole purpose of purchasing that field is His taking out of that field all those broken vessels that would come to Him. [ think broken souls]

The blood of Christ paid the price in full so that you in what ever state you are in, and act you have committed, can do the same as Judas, REPENT to the heavenly Father, and ask His forgiveness. You do it all in the precious name of Jesus, for that is the only way you can have repentance by the Father. All sin is then forgiven by the Father, that you have done. and it is time to get into His Word and turn things around.

Remember back in Matthew 10:6, where Jesus instruction at first to His disciples were to "go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". At Jesus death and resurrection, the entire field, or world, and all foreigners had the right to repent, and have salvation for their souls. Jesus blood opened salvation to all races.

So who told this chief Priest that he should use this thirty pieces of silver to buy this potters field? Acts 1:19; "And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood."

Matthew 27:8 "Wherefore that field was called, "the field of blood,", unto this day."

Matthew 27:9 "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, (the price of Him That was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value); "

Many of the higher critics call this a error in the Bible because it is not written in the Word, however they missed the whole verse. It doesn't say, "written", it says "spoken by Jeremy the prophet". Even in the original text in doesn't indicate that it was in writing. In the Greek, the word is "rhethen", and not "ho gegraptai". It was spoken by Jeremiah, and written down by Zechariah.

Zechariah 11:12, 13; "And I said unto them, "If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear." So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver." [12] "And the Lord said unto me, "Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was pricsed at of them." And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord." [13]

Even the religious leaders know what was to be done with it immediately, for it was prophesied in Zechariah what would be done with it. They knew now the Jesus was the Messiah, and they did as Zechariah instructed. No man could have forced Caiaphas to do this, when he was in the murderous act of crucifying Christ, it was the Spirit of God that led him to fulfill what was written.

Matthew 27:10 "And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me."
 
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JUDAS ISCARIOT

Matthew 27:3 "Then Judas, which had betrayed Him, when he saw that He was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,"

Judas is the one that betrayed Jesus for the thirty pieces of silver. Judas saw what these religious leaders had done in condemning Jesus by trial, and bringing Him to Pilate to be crucified, and Judas was sorry for what he had done. Now don't read over this. JUDAS REPENTED HIMSELF. This was not the unforgivable sin that Judas committed, and upon repentance there is forgiveness.

Matthew 27:4 "Saying, "I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood." And they said, "What is that to us? see thou to that."

These chief priests and elders used Judas for the betrayal, and then they discarded him. Satan and his children, the Kenites have no respect for anything that is in their way.

This is an prime example as it will be at the coming of the Antichrist. All those dear souls that believe Satan, the Antichrist is the True Christ will be used by him and discarded in the same manner as Judas. That is Satan's manner and character, and that is also the character of the his offspring, the Kenites [Rev.2:9 & 3:9], only it will be a spiritual death.

Matthew 27:5 "And he cast down the pieces of silver in the Temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

hanged - 519 apagchomai (ap-ang'-khom-ahee) from 575 and agcho (to choke; kin to the base of 43); to strangle oneself off (i.e. to death): KJV-- hang himself.

Many teach that Judas went out and committed suicide here but that is not the case. Analyze it in the Greek for what really happened. The very word "Hanged" means suffocation. It can even mean suffocation with grief.

Acts 1:18; "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

The purchase of the field was made by the false Kenite religious leaders, with the thirty pieces of silver that Judas threw on the floor of the temple. Now pay attention: "falling headlong he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." Why was this? Because He was murdered, he was cut wide open, not hanged as some translators would have you believe. Judas was murdered after he repented, He did not commit suicide as the traditional doctrine would have you believe. Judas was murdered by having his stomach ripped wide open, and all of his insides gushing and pouring out of him.

What happens when you repent, is that God says you are forgiven of all sin, and when Judas repented, that evil act, that sin of betraying our Lord was blotted out, just as every evil act committed today is forgiven when repented before the Lord.

The reason we are to pay attention to the word "repented", for repentance brings forgiveness. Lets go to Acts 1 to see what the best account of this event has to say. Christ has risen at this point and the ascension has taken place. Jesus told His disciples to wait in Jerusalem for the forty days, and they would receive the filling of the Holy Spirit of God. It was during this wait the Peter discusses what happened surrounding the events of Judas' death.

It was the Sanhedrin, the high counsel of the Temple was the one that paid the fee to have even Judas delivered up to death. Most of the Christian world has allowed themselves to accept man`s tradition, over just plain common sense.

Their record of this is like the newspaper report in Texas that said the man committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head seven times. The record doesn't add up.

This matter made a great deal of difference to Judas, and I hope it causes you to wake up to a lot of other tradition that is just pure nonsense. The second witness concerning the hanging, states that Judas was murdered after his repentance.

Matthew 27:6 "And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, "It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood."

Can't you just see that chief priest on his hands and knees picking up the silver and counting each piece as it goes into his hand. What is new in the religious community?

Matthew 27:7 "And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.

The real beauty of this is that Christ was sent to only Israel in the beginning, and that blood money paid the price for the entire field which, symbolized, is the world. The sole purpose of purchasing that field is His taking out of that field all those broken vessels that would come to Him. [ think broken souls]

The blood of Christ paid the price in full so that you in what ever state you are in, and act you have committed, can do the same as Judas, REPENT to the heavenly Father, and ask His forgiveness. You do it all in the precious name of Jesus, for that is the only way you can have repentance by the Father. All sin is then forgiven by the Father, that you have done. and it is time to get into His Word and turn things around.

Remember back in Matthew 10:6, where Jesus instruction at first to His disciples were to "go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". At Jesus death and resurrection, the entire field, or world, and all foreigners had the right to repent, and have salvation for their souls. Jesus blood opened salvation to all races.

So who told this chief Priest that he should use this thirty pieces of silver to buy this potters field? Acts 1:19; "And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood."

Matthew 27:8 "Wherefore that field was called, "the field of blood,", unto this day."

Matthew 27:9 "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, (the price of Him That was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value); "

Many of the higher critics call this a error in the Bible because it is not written in the Word, however they missed the whole verse. It doesn't say, "written", it says "spoken by Jeremy the prophet". Even in the original text in doesn't indicate that it was in writing. In the Greek, the word is "rhethen", and not "ho gegraptai". It was spoken by Jeremiah, and written down by Zechariah.

Zechariah 11:12, 13; "And I said unto them, "If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear." So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver." [12] "And the Lord said unto me, "Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was pricsed at of them." And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord." [13]

Even the religious leaders know what was to be done with it immediately, for it was prophesied in Zechariah what would be done with it. They knew now the Jesus was the Messiah, and they did as Zechariah instructed. No man could have forced Caiaphas to do this, when he was in the murderous act of crucifying Christ, it was the Spirit of God that led him to fulfill what was written.

Matthew 27:10 "And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me."
The spirit of God lead Judas to betray Jesus??? God doesn't tempt people to do evil. And when evil spirits tempt people its by the peoples own evil desires that they are dragged away. Jesus allowed that to happen with Judas in order to fulfill the scriptures but Judas sinned of his own accord. Jesus didn't intervene.
 
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God has every right to intervene in an individual’s life so that his will is carried out, but
he does not arbitrarily choose people to go to heaven or hell. Just as Father foreknew Jeremiah
he also knows each and everyone of us from the First Earth Age and that includes Judas as well. He knew of Judas greed and weakness and used that to bring about His Perfect Will. He also Gave Judas the space to repent. God could have allowed an evil spirit to tempt Judas. God allowed Ananias and Sapphira to be filled with the spirit of Satan as a warning and example to the early church (Acts 5:1–11). God allowed a messenger of Satan to torment the apostle Paul in order to teach him to rely on God’s grace and power (2 Corinthians 12:7). He can and does these things with the goal of our good and His glory and the finishing of His Plan(Romans 8:28). In Job’s case, Satan could do only what God allowed him to do (Job 1:12; 2:6). They can not act independently of God’s sovereign and perfect will and purpose. All things are possible with God.
 
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Judas instead of asking for forgivness from Jesus he asked priests , they could not forgive him so he hang himself .

1) He was thief
2) He trusted man instead of God even tho he was doing miracles like other apostles
3) He was too righteous to ask for forgivness from God

So he went to his place .

Another example that works don't save you .
 
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Judas instead of asking for forgivness from Jesus he asked priests , they could not forgive him so he hang himself .

1) He was thief
2) He trusted man instead of God even tho he was doing miracles like other apostles
3) He was too righteous to ask for forgivness from God

So he went to his place .

Another example that works don't save you .
or the wages of sin is death. Especially a continued character to sin after coming to the knowledge of the truth.
 
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Would Judas have been lost, if he had not been lost, or have killed himself...?

What would he have been had he not chosen to kill himself...?

Could he have been a very powerful witness for Christ...?

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Judas could have been forgiven, if only he had asked to be forgiven.
He did repent, but he lost hope that forgiveness was possible for him.
All the other apostles betrayed Jesus in their own way too. The difference is that they did not kill themselves before the Resurrection changed their whole outlook on life.
 
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I feel like Judas' sin was greater and more grave than Peter's. Not all sin has the exact same consequence... What Judas did was evil...however it was already prophesied he was the son of perdition... I don't think he could have changed that course... Or maybe he could...I'm not sure.
The actual outcome of Judas certainly supported the prophecy, but the Scripture does say that all manner of sin and iniquity shall be forgiven of men, and the unforgivable sin is accusing Jesus of doing His miracles through the power of Satan, which is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Judas betrayed Jesus, which was an act that could have been forgiven if Judas had shown true repentance. But it is said that the devil entered into Judas, so maybe Judas had little choice, not because God did not give him a choice, but the devil had him imprisoned in a course of action that he could not avoid. I think that this was not a sudden event that occurred at the Last Supper. Judas had been developing the dark side of his nature for the previous three years, so his sin had plenty of time to mature to a point where he was a helpless slave to it.
 
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The actual outcome of Judas certainly supported the prophecy, but the Scripture does say that all manner of sin and iniquity shall be forgiven of men, and the unforgivable sin is accusing Jesus of doing His miracles through the power of Satan, which is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Judas betrayed Jesus, which was an act that could have been forgiven if Judas had shown true repentance. But it is said that the devil entered into Judas, so maybe Judas had little choice, not because God did not give him a choice, but the devil had him imprisoned in a course of action that he could not avoid. I think that this was not a sudden event that occurred at the Last Supper. Judas had been developing the dark side of his nature for the previous three years, so his sin had plenty of time to mature to a point where he was a helpless slave to it.
OSCAR, & FAR SIDE OF THE MOON
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SHOW ME WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT JUDAS IS THE ``SON OF PERDITION``
 
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OSCAR, & FAR SIDE OF THE MOON
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SHOW ME WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT JUDAS IS THE ``SON OF PERDITION``
I know where the Scripture is, but his betrayal of Jesus was not the unforgivable sin. It was just that he couldn't believe that he could be forgiven, went into a depression and killed himself out of remorse. It shows that just remorse for sin is not true repentance.
 
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I know where the Scripture is, but his betrayal of Jesus was not the unforgivable sin. It was just that he couldn't believe that he could be forgiven, went into a depression and killed himself out of remorse. It shows that just remorse for sin is not true repentance.
HOW CAN A MAN HANG HIMSELF AND FALL HEADLONG AND BURST OPEN IN HIS MIDDLE SO ALL HIS BOWELS GUSHED OUT?
THE CHIEF PRIEST HAD JUDAS KILLED BECAUSE THEY HAD PUT HIM UP TO BETRAYING JESUS. THE PRIEST BOUGHT THE FIELD WITH THE RETURNED SILVER AND THEN CHOKED HIM [ WITH AN ARM ] AND THEN RIPPED HIM OPEN. THEY COULD NOT LET HIM LIVE AS A WITNESS TO THEIR OWN CRIMES AGAINST OUR SAVIOR.
A THOUROUGH WORD STUDY IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WILL PROVE THIS OUT.
 
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