You must be born again to be saved?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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I already did din't I?

No, you didn't...and IF you did, you would not be asking me your silly questions

 

[JIMINZ]

No, you didnt

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Sure I did.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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Sure I did.

and IF you did, you would not be asking me your silly questions

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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Sure I did.

Good then you have your answer

 

[JIMINZ]

Because as you have shown, you are not interested, only attacking...

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You always have a comeback but you have no substance to back up your claims.
You always put it on the other person, you always ask a question when one is asked of you., you don't believe anything written in the Bible

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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Ok, I then understand from your answers.

1) You cannot back up your Theology
2) You haven't posted any truth as of yet
3) Your not Dead to the Law

Thank you for being so forthcoming.

That is not the answer to my question...DO YOU SIN?

 

[JIMINZ]

Good then you have your answer

My answer to what?

See what I mean, your evasive, and unresponsive to any question

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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You always have a comeback but you have no substance to back up your claims.
You always put it on the other person, you always ask a question when one is asked of you., you don't believe anything written in the Bible

Well, you just proved my point and answered my question...you bore false witness against me.

 

[JIMINZ]

Well, you just proved my point and answered my question...you bore false witness against me.

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Your just babbling now.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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you don't believe anything written in the Bible

you bore false witness against me.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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you don't believe anything written in the Bible

There are six things that the LORD strongly dislikes, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.

 

[JIMINZ]

and IF you did, you would not be asking me your silly questions

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I'm only trying to find out what it is you believe, but you don't want to respond.
Are you Dead to Sin?
Are you Dead to the Law?
Are you Dead to the Flesh?

If you say you are, then How do you sin,
If you say your not, then we know what that means.

Call them silly if you want, but you have been unable to answer any of my questions, and I answered yours

 

[JIMINZ]

you bore false witness against me.

???? When ????

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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I'm only trying to find out what it is you believe, but you don't want to respond.
Are you Dead to Sin?
Are you Dead to the Law?
Are you Dead to the Flesh?

If you say you are, then How do you sin,
If you say your not, then we know what that means.

Call them silly if you want, but you have been unable to answer any of my questions, and I answered yours

YOU just sinned against me by bearing false witness against me...SO YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION! As we can all see we know the truth!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

???? When ????

"you don't believe anything written in the Bible"

 

[ViaCrucis]

That is for a convert to enter Judaism. Like I said, a Jew remains a Jew.

But that's been my point, that the tevilah was used for conversion; it brings a whole new life to the individual undergoing it. That is precisely why Jesus says, "No one can enter God's kingdom unless they are born of water and the Spirit" ... "Are you a teacher of Israel and yet do not understand this?" As a rabbi Nicodemus should have been aware of the significance of having a new birth a new life, because the proselyte who converts to Judaism undergoes a washing which transforms them from a person outside of God's covenant to a person inside of God's covenant.

The new birth, found in Holy Baptism, has its basis in the Jewish practice of tevilah; but it is transformed and given special importance by Jesus, because Christ institutes a special baptism and commands His Church to baptize; not for the "washing of dirt from the body" but instead "a pledge of a new conscience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 3:21) which is in Christ by which we are clothed with Christ (Galatians 3:27) and buried with Christ (Colossians 2:12) having died and been raised up with Christ to new life (Romans 6:3-4).

Having been born again in the waters of Holy Baptism we have become members of Christ's body (1 Corinthians 12:13), having received the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), and in all ways have become heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ in that life which is from God by the Spirit which is in Christ--which is ours as grace, pure gift, having received this by grace alone, through faith, on Christ's account alone.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[1stcenturylady]

Problem is I never said that, you did. I never said we do not have the Holy Spirit in us now. I said that is NOT being born again as Yeshua described. We all still sin, if you say you don't you are a liar. We are dead to it because we can repent and be forgiven, we do not remain in our sins. You keep twisting and putting words in my mouth...

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness

Romans 3:23

I see you didn't study. You are still using 1 John 1:8 as if it is about Christians, instead of the unholy imposters that were infiltrating the church. Oh well. No wonder you didn't like 1 John 3:9

 

[JIMINZ]

"you don't believe anything written in the Bible"

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Ok tell you what.
I apologize, please forgive me my Trespass against you.

I am going to bed, it is 4:20 but if you want, we can start fresh tomorrow.
Make your case for you beliefs, and I will do the same, and then we can discuss what each has posted.....Fair enough?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

But that's been my point, that the tevilah was used for conversion; it brings a whole new life to the individual undergoing it. That is precisely why Jesus says, "No one can enter God's kingdom unless they are born of water and the Spirit" ... "Are you a teacher of Israel and yet do not understand this?" As a rabbi Nicodemus should have been aware of the significance of having a new birth a new life, because the proselyte who converts to Judaism undergoes a washing which transforms them from a person outside of God's covenant to a person inside of God's covenant.

The new birth, found in Holy Baptism, has its basis in the Jewish practice of tevilah; but it is transformed and given special importance by Jesus, because Christ institutes a special baptism and commands His Church to baptize; not for the "washing of dirt from the body" but instead "a pledge of a new conscience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 3:21) which is in Christ by which we are clothed with Christ (Galatians 3:27) and buried with Christ (Colossians 2:12) having died and been raised up with Christ to new life (Romans 6:3-4).

-CryptoLutheran

Well, no. A Jew who enters the Mikveh, does not convert, He remains a Jew. A Jew that enters the Mikveh makes Teshuvah and becomes ritually pure again when he comes out, He remains a Jew. Jews that were baptized remained Jews. Only gentiles convert. The Mikveh is not a one time thing for Jews. A gentile who converts does not only use the Mikveh once, he continues to use the Mikveh after conversion. Also, why would Nakdimon ask Yeshua if an man can enter a womb the second time?

He was speaking of the resurrection. He was surprised Nakdimon, who was a Pharisee (Pharisees believed in the resurrection) did not understand. Again, there is NO mention of baptism nor converts...

 

[ViaCrucis]

Well, no. A Jew who enters the Mikveh, does not convert, He remains a Jew. A Jew that enters the Mikveh makes Teshuvah and becomes ritually pure again when he comes out, He remains a Jew. Jews that were baptized remained Jews. Only gentiles convert. The Mikveh is not a one time thing for Jews. A gentile who converts does not only use the Mikveh once, he continues to use the Mikveh after conversion. Also, why would Nakdimon ask Yeshua if an man can enter a womb the second time?

I'm not talking about Jews who enter the mikveh, I'm talking about Gentiles becoming Jews. I've never once in our conversation said anything about Jews entering the mikveh for the other reasons the mikveh exists; my posts have only dealt with a specific thing: the use of the mikveh as part of the process of converting to Judaism. As such I've never said Jews convert to Judaism by entering the mikveh, nor have I said the mikveh was only for conversion to Judaism; I have only focused on one very narrow purpose of the mikveh which is conversion to Judaism.

-CryptoLutheran