Are professed Christians who deliberately practice sin saved?

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Did not Christ teach that the only unforgivable sin was blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

And even believers sin. Christ also taught that the Devils believe, and tremble.

Sure believers can sin.
Muslims are believers.
Hindus are believers.

Without expressly identifying what one believes, or where the belief originates...
The "term" believer, is without consequence.

Whosoever is born of God, can not sin.
He who is born of God, has already been established as having belief in their heart, in the Word of God, their body crucified and their soul saved, and they having received the Seed of God, that re-birthed their spirit.

By Gods Power, unseen to the eyes of the World, the man has been made WHOLE, body, soul, spirit and fully acceptable to FOREVER, be WITH the Lord, and the Lord WITH that man.

The Lord dwells IN THE MAN.
The Lord DOES NOT dwell IN SIN.

When men declare they ARE born of God and continue to sin......

Are they not testifying the Lords Spirit dwells IN THEM, IN THEIR SIN they claim to commit?

What does THAT testimony say to the WORLD?

The Lord dwells in Sin?
The Lords Forgiveness is temporary, not true, dependent on Him waiting to see what a man might do?

Is that doing the WILL of the Father? Using the Lords name, to teach His Power in a man is for naught? Teaching His Word of Truth is dependent upon a man?

Trust His Word is True. Ask Him for His understanding, and forgo mans understanding that attempt to make His Word not true.

God Bless,
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Ignorance is not believing what you read in the Bible.

Mat. 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Who are the true spiritual children of Abraham, which includes jews and gentiles called to be what they are as Isaac, a child of God's promise, they are those God gave to Christ as His children - offspring. Those OF the world of unbelievers will never be His children. But God calls those who are His out of this world, before they know of Him, God has foreknown His people, those who are His.

Hebrews 2:16
For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham.

Hebrews 2:13-14

13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”

And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

14 Inasmuch then as the children (whom God has given me) have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
 
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Who are the true spiritual children of Abraham, which includes jews and gentiles called to be what they are as Isaac, a child of God's promise, they are those God gave to Christ as His children - offspring. Those OF the world of unbelievers will never be His children. But God calls those who are His out of this world, before they know of Him, God has foreknown His people, those who are His.

Hebrews 2:16
For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham.

Hebrews 2:13-14

13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”

And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

14 Inasmuch then as the children (whom God has given me) have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
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The Spiritual Children are both Jew and Gentile as per.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
 
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Wow, you really don't know what your talking about. Seriously Jesus was only sent for the Jew's.

Yes Jesus was sent to the Jews.
From the beginning, the Hebrews/Jews were chosen to be the teachers, as a benefit for all of mankind.

Many Jews became LOST to the teachings of their forefathers.
Many Jews, even their teachers became corrupt.

Jesus came to reaffirm what their forefathers had taught, (fulfill what their forefathers had been taught) AND, to reveal things that had been kept secret from their forefathers.

The disciples were chosen to carry on Jesus' teachings to the Jews.

Paul was chosen to carry on Jesus' teachings to the Gentiles.

Both the disciples, and Paul, all Apostles taught to mixed crowds, in cities of mixed, Jews and Gentiles; and the teachings to the crowds addressed;
Jews who had a HISTORY with God...
....and a Looooong list of Laws.
Gentiles who DID NOT have a HISTORY with God...
.....nor a Loooooog list of Laws.

Jews AND Gentiles were both being taught, something new, beyond the confinement of the LAW.

A NEW, ONE TIME BLOOD, sufficient for the forgiveness of ALL of the World, who trust to believe it is TRUE, and accept the gift of Jesus' BLOOD, for forgiveness, ONCE and FOREVER.

Some did, some didn't. Some can, some can't. Some do, yet continue to adhere to their Laws. Some do, yet were never under the Law.

Many Christians, claim belief and submission, while also adopting, Jewish Laws, as their guideline.....Excellent. Their teaching of behavior that Glorifies God, benefits all.

However a Christian adopting, what is NOT beneficial to Glorifiying God, being called a SIN, is false. It is a SIN, unto a Jew, according to their Law. it is NOT a SIN, unto a Gentile Christian, who was never subject to Jewish Law.

A Gentile Christian WHO learns from the Jews, what DOES Glorify God, and does such things....Scripture teaches they shall be rewarded for their efforts.

A Gentile Christian WHO learns from the Jews, what DOES NOT Glorify God, and does such things....Scripture teaches he shall "lose" or otherwise forego "receiving" rewards, from God.

While Jesus provided NEW Knowledge to the World... The NEW knowledge, is not dependent upon Him to BELIEVE it is TRUE, (that's already established)...but is dependent upon IF individuals BELIEVE it is TRUE.

God Bless,
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Who are the true spiritual children of Abraham, which includes jews and gentiles called to be what they are as Isaac, a child of God's promise, they are those God gave to Christ as His children - offspring. Those OF the world of unbelievers will never be His children. But God calls those who are His out of this world, before they know of Him, God has foreknown His people, those who are His.

Hebrews 2:16
For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham.

Hebrews 2:13-14

13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”

And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

14 Inasmuch then as the children (whom God has given me) have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

The key of understanding is IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL JEWS OR ALL GENTILES.

It does INCLUDE ALL the children "OF" ABRAHAM, via promise, which IS ALL the children "OF" ISRAEL, via promise.

ALL the children of ABRAHAM, of ISRAEL...
"ARE"...."ALL" the children ...
"WHO" have the "SEED of God".

Not ALL will accept or receive, the SEED of God. As Scripture teaches, comparatively to ALL men born, many are called, FEW are chosen; many are born, FEW shall be saved.

God Bless,
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The key of understanding is IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL JEWS OR ALL GENTILES.

It does INCLUDE ALL the children "OF" ABRAHAM, via promise, which IS ALL the children "OF" ISRAEL, via promise.

ALL the children of ABRAHAM, of ISRAEL...
"ARE"...."ALL" the children ...
"WHO" have the "SEED of God".

Not ALL will accept or receive, the SEED of God. As Scripture teaches, comparatively to ALL men born, many are called, FEW are chosen; many are born, FEW shall be saved.

God Bless,
SBC
yes, not all are children of God, who are spiritually children of Abraham, many are children of Satan.
John 8
19 Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?”

Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”

20 These words Jesus spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.

Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

Romans 9
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
 
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yes, not all are children of God, who are spiritually children of Abraham, many are children of Satan.

You are a bit confused.

All are children of God.
All are not children of Abraham, or Israel.

All are not "sons of God".

All who are OF Gods SEED;
...ARE son's of God
...ARE of Abraham's children by Promise.
.......(Children)
...ARE "ISRAEL", by Promise.
.......(entitled to occupy Abraham's LAND).

Abraham has STOCK (his) seed descendants.

Abraham also has descendants who are descendants BY PROMISE. "THEY" all have SPIRITUAL (Gods) SEED.

Gentiles are NOT Abraham's stock.
Jews ARE Abraham's stock.

Gentiles becomes children of Abraham, when Gentiles have the SEED of God.

Jews become children of Abraham, when Jews have the SEED of God.

Thus IT IS those with the Spiritual SEED of God, that become Abraham's Children and ALL of ISRAEL, that is SAVED.

Every man WHO HAS the SEED of God; Abraham is his earthly father....so too was it when Jesus arrived on earth, and he was called the Son of man. Christ Jesus, IS the SEED of God, and WHY Jesus was before Abraham, and after Abraham.
And (before), Abraham was glad to see Jesus' day, in the day, Abraham received the SEED of God.


John 8
19 Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?”

Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”

20 These words Jesus spoke in the treasury, as He taught in the temple; and no one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.

Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

Romans 9
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

Yes.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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If we sin we lose our closeness to God. Thus, we have to repent.

Jesus gave us the Our Father which says, 'Forgive us our sins'.

Once saved always saved is only for pure of heart. How many in the world are pure in heart?

I sin and i know i need to repent and seek forgiveness asap! If i dont, then i know i will be heading in the wrong direction from God.

Deliberately commit sin and expect hell. I am on that route even though i love God dearly.

One MUST repent! One MUST seek forgiveness. One CANNOT sin freely and think they are still saved!
 
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You are a bit confused.

All are children of God.
All are not children of Abraham, or Israel.

All are not "sons of God".

All who are OF Gods SEED;
...ARE son's of God
...ARE of Abraham's children by Promise.
.......(Children)
...ARE "ISRAEL", by Promise.
.......(entitled to occupy Abraham's LAND).

Abraham has STOCK (his) seed descendants.

Abraham also has descendants who are descendants BY PROMISE. "THEY" all have SPIRITUAL (Gods) SEED.

Gentiles are NOT Abraham's stock.
Jews ARE Abraham's stock.

Gentiles becomes children of Abraham, when Gentiles have the SEED of God.

Jews become children of Abraham, when Jews have the SEED of God.

Thus IT IS those with the Spiritual SEED of God, that become Abraham's Children and ALL of ISRAEL, that is SAVED.

Every man WHO HAS the SEED of God; Abraham is his earthly father....so too was it when Jesus arrived on earth, and he was called the Son of man. Christ Jesus, IS the SEED of God, and WHY Jesus was before Abraham, and after Abraham.
And (before), Abraham was glad to see Jesus' day, in the day, Abraham received the SEED of God.




Yes.

God Bless,
SBC
All are not children of God or else all would be born of God-born again.
If your born of someone, then you are their child, one of the family.

John nails it here. He says now we are the children of God to the church, and the world does not know us or God, they are not part of the family of God. Ephesians says we are adopted, so those adopted are God's children, but not all are adopted into the beloved.

1 John 3:1
Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
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1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Ephesians 1
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:


2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Redemption in Christ
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

Ephesians 3,
to be strengthened by His Spirit in the inner man, means they are born again, of His family, this is not for the unbelieving world who are NOT named in the family of God in earth and Heaven.

14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
 
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Romans 8:14-16New King James Version (NKJV)
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Another example, we have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, this is of course only for those who are of God in His church, not the world. We are the children of God, the others are by nature the children of the devil, read the parable of the tares and the wheat.Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 13 - New King James Version

37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.

38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.


39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.

40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.

41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
 
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No one calling themselves a Christian should have such a view, whether they be Catholic, EO, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist, or whatever Christian. There are differences between justification, sanctification, and glorification. If it were not so, St. Paul would not have made those distinctions.
Yes, alright. My main issue with justification is that faith is not viewed as a replacement for man's obligation to be righteous in word and deed for entry to heaven, in order to be even capable of seeing God IOW. Some have suggested otherwise but this obligation involves both sides of the coin: refraining from sin on the one hand, and having positive fruit on the other. Both are gifts of grace, rather than works of the law, to the extent that they're realized via love, a gift of grace itself. Faith is meant to lead us there, as faith unites us with God, but faith is not identical to love which is the true definition of justice for man and the virtue we'll be judged on.

In any case, a profession of faith that's not accompanied by a major shift towards righteous living is worthless. Similarly if we turn away from God later, involving ourselves in serious sin, we then start from scratch so to speak, and need to turn back to Him in repentance. None of this means that we won't sin, or struggle with sin; it only means we won't remain in sin consistently. A faith that leads to love of God and neighbor, as it must, is inconsistent with sin.
 
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Why or why not? Please explain with the support of the scripture.


For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27 NASB)

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? (Romans 6:1-2 NASB)

What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? (Romans 6:15-16 NASB)

No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:6-9 NASB)

"For the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous is scarcely saved, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear?"
1Pe 4:17-18

Judgment has begun upon the church. Most of it has become apostate - embracing sin and wickedness in all its forms so as to fill seats and donation baskets. These all have a form of godliness, but deny its power. Have nothing to do with them. (2 Tim 3:5)

God is merciful and just. He will remove His sheep from the false shepherds and destroy the altars and temples of greed and debauchery among us. It began at the end of the church age in June of 1967 and continues to this day. It shall end only when Jesus returns again.

Flee the church and the demonic doctrines it teaches. (1 Tim 4:1) Flee those who make sin delicious and declare the Law null and void. Run from those who use Grace as an excuse for sin. Fear the second death?

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

PS
If one flees the church, where then shall he go in a spiritual desert? Do as the Hebrews once did. Seek God and receive His holy Law once again. Do not be afraid to seek God's people and do not turn your back upon them. You will find Jesus among them.
 
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If we sin we lose our closeness to God. Thus, we have to repent.

Jesus gave us the Our Father which says, 'Forgive us our sins'.

Once saved always saved is only for pure of heart. How many in the world are pure in heart?

I sin and i know i need to repent and seek forgiveness asap! If i dont, then i know i will be heading in the wrong direction from God.

Deliberately commit sin and expect hell. I am on that route even though i love God dearly.

One MUST repent! One MUST seek forgiveness. One CANNOT sin freely and think they are still saved!

One must repent, being forgiven.

How Good is the Lords Word when He forgives you? Does His Word have a time-limit? Is His Holy Spirit with out Power to Keep you freed from Sin, to Keep you in belief and faithfulness to Him only?
Or is your power greater, that He can dwell in you while you commit sin?
While He dwells in you, you can stop believing in Him?

Do you believe everything you now do, that does not glorify God, is a SIN, like the Jews Laws says? Scripture calls your unfavorable behavior toward me, a trespass, that you should forgive other men.
Only God forgives sin.

If you are calling your behavior against men, a sin.... Do you call again on God and ask Him to forgive your behavior against men?
Why? He already told you, IF YOU FORGIVE MEN THEIR TRESPASSES, He would forgive you your trespasses.

A pure heart?

Do you not know when the Lord forgave you for not believing in Him, and for corrupting your soul.....He crucified your body, forgave all of your sins, restored your soul, GAVE YOU A NEW HEART (your circumcision), Birthed you a NEW spirit in your NEW HEART.....?
Of course your new heart is pure....that is where HIS SPIRIT DWELLS, with your new spirit. That is where Communication between His Spirit and your spirit takes places, where He can teach you, His Word, His Wisdom, His Understanding.....which IS what you are supposed to be SEEKING.....since He has already forgiven all of your sins, and cleansed you from all unrighteousness.

He makes you a new heart and new spirit...
Ezekiel 18:31

God Bless,
SBC
 
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Any sin, but mainly aim at sins that we are aware that they are sins but we still choose to do it.

Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. (James 4:17 NKJV)
No one can deal with some general statement. You must identify what sin you're talking about. I doubt if anyone here is committing murder or wanting your stuf.
 
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All are not children of God or else all would be born of God-born again.
If your born of someone, then you are their child, one of the family.

We are all created by God, and have the breath of God in us.
Acts 17:25

We are not all made ...
Children of His Church, or sons of Abraham via promise, or made sons of God or made to be called Israel, or entitled to be heir of Abraham's land, or entitled to be Gods inheritance.

John nails it here. He says now we are the children of God to the church, and the world does not know us or God, they are not part of the family of God. Ephesians says we are adopted, so those adopted are God's children, but not all are adopted into the beloved.

Children of God...TO THE CHURCH?
Some to the Church, Some not.
Don't they all have the breath of life, Gods Breath in them?
Isn't that a separation of HIS Children?

Did Jesus say, He came to DIVIDE?

1 John 3:1
Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
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1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Ephesians 1
1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,

To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:


2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Redemption in Christ
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

Ephesians 3,
to be strengthened by His Spirit in the inner man, means they are born again, of His family, this is not for the unbelieving world who are NOT named in the family of God in earth and Heaven.

14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

A saint, is a child of God, who has become a son of God.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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I quoted Proverbs 10:12 and James 5:19-20 to cross-reference 1 Peter 4:8 for comparison, using scripture to interpret scripture.
Yes you did. How does that deal with my comment about seeming out of place? The KJV says:
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

What error would you be talking about? And aren't you really seeking converts among Christians the verse you quoted doesn't call Christians sinners? If you hope to convert from error you must tell what the error is.
 
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Hello klutedavid.

The question is not are Christians saved if they commit sin. The question is whether professed Christians are saved if they know that they are committing a sin but still deliberately commit the sin, over and over again, with no intention to make effort to eliminate that sin from their life.
You must identify what you're talking about.
 
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I have not gone through the Gospels to make a statistics on what Jesus judged for, but you might want to consider adding the following verse in your list said by Jesus that includes the sexually immoral as those who will be outside of the Holy Jerusalem when Jesus returns:

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. (Revelation 22:14-15 NKJV)
Scripture quotes are great. In some cases not discussing a quote does nothing. Without it anyone who responds would only be guessing at what a person means with a particular Scripture, such as the case above. You need to identify "His" and or those "commandments." With out such an explanation you're really calling people here dogs and sorcerers committing some specific sin and practicing a lie. What lie would posters here be practicing?
 
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Without expressly identifying what one believes, or where the belief originates...
The "term" believer, is without consequence.

Identifying to who?

Whosoever is born of God, can not sin.
He who is born of God, has already been established as having belief in their heart, in the Word of God, their body crucified and their soul saved, and they having received the Seed of God, that re-birthed their spirit.

We all know that is an incomplete interpretation of the scripture, and thus a false teaching. Scripture says that to understand the mind of God one must study the word as is written in Isaiah 28: 9-11

"Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: for with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

If you were to take that one scripture then all "christians" would be perfect, and we know that is not true.

By Gods Power, unseen to the eyes of the World, the man has been made WHOLE, body, soul, spirit and fully acceptable to FOREVER, be WITH the Lord, and the Lord WITH that man.

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Trust His Word is True. Ask Him for His understanding, and forgo mans understanding that attempt to make His Word not true.

God Bless,
SBC

First you say that a Christian cannot sin, then you say that to teach otherwise is a false teaching, yet scripture says no man is without sin. Now, if one were to accept your "teaching" what is the reason for "confessing your sins one to another", or even Gods forgiveness? What would be the purpose of the commandments, or the law? If that were to be true would it it not mean that Christ was not the only perfect being (God made man)?

Are you not the one who is making Gods word false?
 
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Yes it does. just read it. It's very clear and straight forward its referring to the law. I'm going by scripture. I agree with Jesus. You could impose your personal opinion. That's on you.

Mathew 5:19
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

I think it's talking about you. I'm going by scripture. It's very clear and straight forward you can't twist this one like a lot of heretics do.
How did buggy twist Luke 24:44?
 
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