Are professed Christians who deliberately practice sin saved?

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What is preached to them by instruction from the written Word.

The same what was preached to the Men of Nineveh by Jonah and that is......

Repentance before salvation. Turning away from sins known and unknown, under the edict of God and his Christ.
 
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Wondering what IS Saved and what IS not SAVED is not the issue.

What is "practicing sin", and by whom is the issue.

IF one CAN BE SAVED and "CONTINUE" practicing sin....

How do you "CONTINUE" sinning, IF you do not know WHAT SIN means to you?

If you do not know WHAT SIN means to you,
How do you KNOW WHAT your repented OF?

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Read the story of Jonah.

The answer is there. Thanks.
 
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Both Jews and Gentiles fell under the original sin, requiring the saviour, irrespective of their race, creed, colour, belief, discourses, awareness.

Adam and Eve were not Jews, they were human beings who condemned the entire human family by their actions.
 
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Both Jews and Gentiles fell under the original sin, requiring the saviour, irrespective of their race, creed, colour, belief, discourses, awareness.

Adam and Eve were not Jews, they were human beings who condemned the entire human family by their actions.


What do you define original sin as?

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Thanks for the conversation that resulted in no anwer to my question to you.

God Bless,
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Could you at least please answer your own questions....

What is a Jews sin, before being saved?

What is a gentles sin, before being saved?

If you can answer your own questions coherently, so that I may understand your claim, then they would be fair questions to ask in the first place.

I can detect you my friend. You need to answer the questions, for it was never my place to answer them for you.

Do you understand.

I bet you didn't see that coming!

Thanks.
 
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What do you define original sin as?

God Bless,
SBC

Separation from God, requiring the saviour to......

finish the transgression, and
to make an end of sins, and
to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to
anoint the most Holy Jesus Christ.

The prophesy is tied to the Garden, that is Adam and Eve, the original sin.

This means, that regardless of race, creed, colour, discourses, awareness, the original sin was imparted to all of the human family. It so happened to be that God used one particulate race of people, through the tribe of Judah, to make reconciliation with God.

The before sin for Jews and gentiles, is the fact that all of the human family from Adam to the last thief hanging on the cross next to Jesus were condemned by God. When Jesus declared it is finished, then this breach that happened in the garden was mended through his cross.
 
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And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." (Genesis 3:15)

To seal up the vision and prophesy (Daniel 9:24)

The sealing up of the prophesy, is the closure that God would make by making reconciliation with all of humanity, through the Genesis 3:15 prophesy of the offspring of the woman who will crush th serpents head, thereby ending the controversy between God and his Creation.

The vision is for an appointed time as far as Daniel was concerned, when the Messiah comes to do just that.

The sin before being saved remained the separation between God and individuals born after Adam. The condition of being saved, is repentance and to sin no more, by staying in Christ Jesus. Read Romans 8.
 
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Could you at least please answer your own questions....

What is a Jews sin, before being saved?

What is a gentles sin, before being saved?

If you can answer your own questions coherently, so that I may understand your claim, then they would be fair questions to ask in the first place.

I can detect you my friend. You need to answer the questions, for it was never my place to answer them for you.

Do you understand.

I bet you didn't see that coming!

Thanks.

Of course I can answer for myself.
Only you can answer for you.

What is a Jews sin, before being saved?
1) Being born IN sin.
(Ie...Rebellion Against God).
2) Corrupting his SOUL, by it being in a BODY born in sin.
3) Transgression against Hebrew/Jewish Law.

What is a Gentiles sin, before being saved?
1) Being born IN sin. (Rebellion Against God).
2) Corrupting his SOUL, by it being in a BODY born in sin.

I am a Gentile.
What did I call on the Lord's Name, and ASK HIM TO FORGIVE ME FOR?
1) Rebellion Against God, of having NOT believed in Him.
2) Corrupting my SOUL.

Did the Lord respond to my plea to Him?
I trust the Lord IS faithful, and did respond.

How?
He forgave my rebellion AGAINST him of disbelief IN HIM.
Why?
Because I confessed TO HIM, belief in my heart, that I do believe IN HIM.
He forgave me of that sin AGAINST Him.

What else?
He KILLED my body of sin,
(crucified with Christ)
CLEANSED my body,
(washed it in Jesus' Blood)
ANNOINTED my body,
(With His Spirit),
KEEPS my WITH Christ,
(Until His day of Redemption, & glorification)

How else?
He forgave my SOUL, for becoming corrupt in my corrupt BODY.

What else?
He RESTORED my soul.
(Back to "good", as it was when he gave my body the breath of life)
Ie SAVED my soul unto Him.

What else?
He QUICKENED my natural spirit, to a spiritual spirit.

How?
By fist giving me a new heart.
Then His Spirit entering my new heart.
The He PLANTING HIS SEED in my new heart.
His SEED, so planted in my NEW heart, is the incorruptable SEED, that birthed my new spirit.

So WHAT SIN, did I "practice" BEFORE being SAVED? NONE.

I did not "practice" NOT BELIEVING IN GOD.

So WHAT SIN, can I "practice" AFTER being SAVED? NONE.

I do not "practice" NOT BELIEVING IN GOD.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for me to "PRACTICE", not believing in God.

I do not KEEP myself Believing in God...
God KEEPS me IN Belief in Him.

God Bless,
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Separation from God, requiring the saviour to......

finish the transgression, and
to make an end of sins, and
to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to
anoint the most Holy Jesus Christ.

The prophesy is tied to the Garden, that is Adam and Eve, the original sin.

This means, that regardless of race, creed, colour, discourses, awareness, the original sin was imparted to all of the human family. It so happened to be that God used one particulate race of people, through the tribe of Judah, to make reconciliation with God.

The before sin for Jews and gentiles, is the fact that all of the human family from Adam to the last thief hanging on the cross next to Jesus were condemned by God. When Jesus declared it is finished, then this breach that happened in the garden was mended through his cross.

You go way around in deflection, never speaking what sin you practiced before you were saved.

God Bless,
 
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Please read Romans 8....

Without the cross, the curses of the Mosaic law apply to all the human family regardless to whom they were given to.

The sins of individuals who are not Christian are imputed the curses of the Mosaic Law. The sins of individuals who are Christians are imputed the curses of the Mosaic Law, however they can be pardoned, if and only if they repent and turn and to stay in Christ unto biological death.

Below versus of the curses of the Mosaic Law applied to all of humanity, except those who remain in Christ Jesus.....

1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Next Conditional IF....THEN.....ELSE versus apply to saved Christians....

9You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

Versus below outline the continual life long obligation of saved Christians, with the IF......THEN OR ELSE conditional statements....

12Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

There is no escaping and all people are either saved by the privileges of Grace or are either condemned to death under the curses of the Mosaic Law, regardless of whether they are Christian or not.

Grace is not a right, for it is a privilege that can be revoked by Jesus, if individuals fail to remain in him onto death, for that is what means to carry your cross, that is to your grave, whilst keeping the faith.
 
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There is a Cause and an affect.

1 Jn. 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

What has been said above is a statement of fact, but the question arises, (Why does whosoever is Born of God not commit sin)?

The answer to that question is in the remaining part of the same Verse.

1) for his seed remaineth in him:

Whose seed?.........Gods' seed!

2) and he cannot sin,

Here it reiterates the inability to sin by the one Born Again, in a demonstrative way ...(he cannot sin),...... again the question....WHY?

3) because he is born of God.

"WOW" did you guys get that?

1Jn 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So then what we see is, Whosoever is Born of God,
(Does not commit sin, because he Cannot sin............(WHY)?
That's right, because he is Born of God.


A Believer being Born of God is the Cause.
A Believer not sinning is the Effect.

You can continue to argue about the word used, it is irrelevant which word you want to place in that position, (COMMIT or PRACTICE) it does not change the EFFECT upon the one Born Again of God, (He Cannot sin).
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." Sinlessness can't be achieved, unless sin is defined in narrow terms, leaving out sins of omission, pride, half-truths, and the like.
 
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You go way around in deflection, never speaking what sin you practiced before you were saved.

God Bless,

It is not about what sin individuals practised as per say, rather it is that they are born separated from God at birth and require the saviour to reconcile them to God.

The sin, regardless of what it entails would apply to anyone, if they do not remain in Christ unto biological death.

You are focusing on the details of the sin and forgetting about the bigger picture.
 
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What is a Jews sin, before being saved?

Original sin, that is the Garden.

Of course I can answer for myself.

Thanks and I appreciate it.

What is a Jews sin, before being saved?

Original sin, that is the Garden.

What is a Gentiles sin, before being saved?

Original sin, that is the Garden.

What did I call on the Lord's Name, and ASK HIM TO FORGIVE ME FOR?

That you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith

Did the Lord respond to my plea to Him?

Yes.

He forgave my rebellion AGAINST him of disbelief IN HIM.

No.

Because I confessed TO HIM, belief in my heart, that I do believe IN HIM.

His Son you mean, yes.

He forgave me of that sin AGAINST Him.

Forgave you of the original sin, that placed you under the curses of the law.

He forgave my SOUL, for becoming corrupt in my corrupt BODY.

Becoming corrupt, no.
Was, within the context of the original sin, yes.

He RESTORED my soul.

Restoring. Work in progress and conditionally based if you remain in Christ unto death (Romans 8)

SAVED my soul unto Him.

Is saving. Work in progress and conditionally based if you remain in Christ unto death.

He QUICKENED my natural spirit, to a spiritual spirit.

shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. It is a life long process, a birthing within the spiritual womb, until you are finally delivered/salvaged into the new heavens and the new earth, to be forever reunited with Jesus Christ in your heavenly body, within Christ's Father's house.

The birthing can however be miscarriaged or aborted by Jesus.

His SEED, so planted in my NEW heart, is the incorruptable SEED, that birthed my new spirit.

Birthed your spirit at baptism, yet you are still in the spiritual womb, until you are delivered in Christ's Father's house of many rooms (dimensions).

So WHAT SIN, did I "practice" BEFORE being SAVED?

Being born into this world as Adam's offspring. Your adoption papers required.

I did not "practice" NOT BELIEVING IN GOD

You did not need to.

So WHAT SIN, can I "practice" AFTER being SAVED? NONE.

Separation from the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8)

The risk of being miscarriaged or aborted whilst in the spiritual womb, before being safely delivered into Christ's arms in the waiting room, in his Father's house.

Are you a Preterist my friend?

If you are, I would like to inform you, we are not yet delivered into Christ's waiting arms, until we finish our race and keep the faith onto biological death.

As Jesus said.....

Be faithful even onto death and I will give you a crown of life.

The crown of life, comes only after a Testator biologically dies, otherwise their eternal inheritance has not taken effect (Hebrews 9).

In this temporal life, we are going through the birthing process in the spiritual womb until we are successfully delivered into the new heavens and the new earth, in Christ's waiting arms.

Full Preterists think that we are already here and it is a done deal, as if it is signed sealed and delivered, yet everything we read in scripture is conditional with an IF.....THEN OR ELSE.

Can someone please tell me why I am writing in bold?
 
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Please read Romans 8....

Without the cross, the curses of the Mosaic law apply to all the human family regardless to whom they were given to.

So, all Gentles ARE UNDER Mosaic Law?

Grace is not a right, for it is a privilege that can be revoked by Jesus, if individuals fail to remain in him onto death, for that is what means to carry your cross, that is to your grave, whilst keeping the faith.

When is GRACE given an individual?
Before or After an individual is SAVED?

And what is your point?
An individual CAN LOSE God's GRACE, AFTER the individual is Saved?

God Bless,
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So, all Gentles ARE UNDER Mosaic Law?

All of humanity is, including the Men of Nineveh. What did Jesus say....

The Men of Nineveh repented on what Jonah preached.

We did Jonah preach?

Repent because........ah.....ah.....ah....you breaking God's law by doing this and that.

Is not this a perfect example for you my friend.

They fasted three days. What race fasted and prayed under the Old Covenant?

Jonah and his people. So whywas it expected for the unsaved gentiles?

Oh!

When is GRACE given an individual?

It is not a transaction.
Grace and Truth is an individual. Remaining faithful in Christ places you under Grace through him and unto you. The Grace poured out is the Living Water and as soon as you stray, your in drought my friend and there is no Grace that is in your pocession within a contractual sense of receiving it in your possession. You are merely tapping into it from the source who is Jesus Christ, so long you remain in him.

Before or After an individual is SAVED?

No one is given Grace to possess, it is not a transaction.

And what is your point?

Exactly.

An individual CAN LOSE God's GRACE, AFTER the individual is Saved?

An individual never possessed Grace in the first place, they merely tapped into it through the Living Vine Jesus Christ. Once a branch detaches itself from the vine then the life support is removed and the foetus within the spiritual womb is miscarriaged and dies.

God in his Grace can reattach the branch if he so chooses to do so.

Jesus is Grace and the living waters that eminate from him is the Grace of God being poured from him to the branches attached to him.

If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. (John 15:6)
 
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Original sin, that is the Garden.

SIN is a Garden?


23If ye continue in the faith

How does a man continue in faith?


His Son you mean, yes.

Through the Son Jesus, to Christ, who is My Lord My God.

Forgave you of the original sin, that placed you under the curses of the law.

We have a disagreement.
I do not believe A GARDEN is SIN.

Restoring. Work in progress and conditionally based if you remain in Christ unto death

Are you saying A SAVED man, can depart from Christ?

Is saving. Work in progress and conditionally based if you remain in Christ unto death.

Are you saying a SAVED man, can depart from Christ?


shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Yep, but not the subject.


It is a life long process, a birthing within the spiritual womb,

What is this "Spiritual Womb" thing you are talking about?

until you are finally delivered/salvaged into the new heavens and the new earth, to be forever reunited with Jesus......

What? You are WAITING to be with Jesus?

Who are you WITH, while you are WAITING to be with Jesus?

The birthing can however be miscarriaged or aborted by Jesus.

What is this nonsense?

Birthed your spirit at baptism, yet you are still in the spiritual womb, until you are delivered in Christ's Father's house of many rooms (dimensions).

Birthed accomplished....but still in some spiritual womb.....where are the scriptures that speak of such things....??
Please quote the scripture that says, your spirit is birthed, but is in a spiritual womb.

The risk of being miscarriaged or aborted whilst in the spiritual womb ...

Miscarriage, aborted, spiritual womb....
What Bible do you get this stuff from?

Are you a Preterist my friend?

I am a son of God. No clue, nor care what a Preterist is.

If you are, I would like to inform you, we are not yet delivered into Christ's waiting arms, until we finish our race and keep the faith onto biological death.

Don't know what you call yourself;
However I am already born OF God, IN Chirst, and am simply waiting for the Son of Man, with His Power, to come to the clouds with His reward, call me up to Him, and with His Power to manifest my glorified body.



As Jesus said.....

Be faithful even onto death and I will give you a crown of life.

How do you accomplish "BEING faithful"
Everyday?

Can someone please tell me why I am writing in bold?
[/QUOTE]

Look at the task bar just above where you reply, tap the "B" to the far left of the task bar, that should UN-bold your typing.

Ie Tap "B" to Bold
Ie Tap "B" to UnBold.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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All of humanity is, including the Men of Nineveh. What did Jesus say....

The Men of Nineveh repented on what Jonah preached.

We did Jonah preach?

Repent because........ah.....ah.....ah....you breaking God's law by doing this and that.

Is not this a perfect example for you my friend.

They fasted three days. What race fasted and prayed under the Old Covenant?

Jonah and his people. So whywas it expected for the unsaved gentiles?

Oh!



It is not a transaction.
Grace and Truth is an individual. Remaining faithful in Christ places you under Grace through him and unto you. The Grace poured out is the Living Water and as soon as you stray, your in drought my friend and there is no Grace that is in your pocession within a contractual sense of receiving it in your possession. You are merely tapping into it from the source who is Jesus Christ, so long you remain in him.



No one is given Grace to possess, it is not a transaction.



Exactly.



An individual never possessed Grace in the first place, they merely tapped into it through the Living Vine Jesus Christ. Once a branch detaches itself from the vine then the life support is removed and the foetus within the spiritual womb is miscarriaged and dies.

God in his Grace can reattach the branch if he so chooses to do so.

Jesus is Grace and the living waters that eminate from him is the Grace of God being poured from him to the branches attached to him.

If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. (John 15:6)

You sure go around in a big circle telling me about other people, when I asked about you, since you should be expressly familiar with you.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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