Wondering what IS Saved and what IS not SAVED is not the issue.
What is "practicing sin", and by whom is the issue.
IF one CAN BE SAVED and "CONTINUE" practicing sin....
How do you "CONTINUE" sinning, IF you do not know WHAT SIN means to you?
If you do not know WHAT SIN means to you,
How do you KNOW WHAT your repented OF?
God Bless,
SBC
Both Jews and Gentiles fell under the original sin, requiring the saviour, irrespective of their race, creed, colour, belief, discourses, awareness.
Adam and Eve were not Jews, they were human beings who condemned the entire human family by their actions.
Thanks for the conversation that resulted in no anwer to my question to you.
God Bless,
SBC
What do you define original sin as?
God Bless,
SBC
Could you at least please answer your own questions....
What is a Jews sin, before being saved?
What is a gentles sin, before being saved?
If you can answer your own questions coherently, so that I may understand your claim, then they would be fair questions to ask in the first place.
I can detect you my friend. You need to answer the questions, for it was never my place to answer them for you.
Do you understand.
I bet you didn't see that coming!
Thanks.
Separation from God, requiring the saviour to......
finish the transgression, and
to make an end of sins, and
to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to
anoint the most Holy Jesus Christ.
The prophesy is tied to the Garden, that is Adam and Eve, the original sin.
This means, that regardless of race, creed, colour, discourses, awareness, the original sin was imparted to all of the human family. It so happened to be that God used one particulate race of people, through the tribe of Judah, to make reconciliation with God.
The before sin for Jews and gentiles, is the fact that all of the human family from Adam to the last thief hanging on the cross next to Jesus were condemned by God. When Jesus declared it is finished, then this breach that happened in the garden was mended through his cross.
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." Sinlessness can't be achieved, unless sin is defined in narrow terms, leaving out sins of omission, pride, half-truths, and the like.There is a Cause and an affect.
1 Jn. 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
What has been said above is a statement of fact, but the question arises, (Why does whosoever is Born of God not commit sin)?
The answer to that question is in the remaining part of the same Verse.
1) for his seed remaineth in him:
Whose seed?.........Gods' seed!
2) and he cannot sin,
Here it reiterates the inability to sin by the one Born Again, in a demonstrative way ...(he cannot sin),...... again the question....WHY?
3) because he is born of God.
"WOW" did you guys get that?
1Jn 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
So then what we see is, Whosoever is Born of God,
(Does not commit sin, because he Cannot sin............(WHY)?
That's right, because he is Born of God.
A Believer being Born of God is the Cause.
A Believer not sinning is the Effect.
You can continue to argue about the word used, it is irrelevant which word you want to place in that position, (COMMIT or PRACTICE) it does not change the EFFECT upon the one Born Again of God, (He Cannot sin).
You go way around in deflection, never speaking what sin you practiced before you were saved.
God Bless,
What is a Jews sin, before being saved?
Of course I can answer for myself.
What is a Jews sin, before being saved?
What is a Gentiles sin, before being saved?
What did I call on the Lord's Name, and ASK HIM TO FORGIVE ME FOR?
Did the Lord respond to my plea to Him?
He forgave my rebellion AGAINST him of disbelief IN HIM.
Because I confessed TO HIM, belief in my heart, that I do believe IN HIM.
He forgave me of that sin AGAINST Him.
He forgave my SOUL, for becoming corrupt in my corrupt BODY.
He RESTORED my soul.
SAVED my soul unto Him.
He QUICKENED my natural spirit, to a spiritual spirit.
His SEED, so planted in my NEW heart, is the incorruptable SEED, that birthed my new spirit.
So WHAT SIN, did I "practice" BEFORE being SAVED?
I did not "practice" NOT BELIEVING IN GOD
So WHAT SIN, can I "practice" AFTER being SAVED? NONE.
Please read Romans 8....
Without the cross, the curses of the Mosaic law apply to all the human family regardless to whom they were given to.
Grace is not a right, for it is a privilege that can be revoked by Jesus, if individuals fail to remain in him onto death, for that is what means to carry your cross, that is to your grave, whilst keeping the faith.
So, all Gentles ARE UNDER Mosaic Law?
When is GRACE given an individual?
Before or After an individual is SAVED?
And what is your point?
An individual CAN LOSE God's GRACE, AFTER the individual is Saved?
Original sin, that is the Garden.
23If ye continue in the faith
His Son you mean, yes.
Forgave you of the original sin, that placed you under the curses of the law.
Restoring. Work in progress and conditionally based if you remain in Christ unto death
Is saving. Work in progress and conditionally based if you remain in Christ unto death.
shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
It is a life long process, a birthing within the spiritual womb,
until you are finally delivered/salvaged into the new heavens and the new earth, to be forever reunited with Jesus......
The birthing can however be miscarriaged or aborted by Jesus.
Birthed your spirit at baptism, yet you are still in the spiritual womb, until you are delivered in Christ's Father's house of many rooms (dimensions).
The risk of being miscarriaged or aborted whilst in the spiritual womb ...
Are you a Preterist my friend?
If you are, I would like to inform you, we are not yet delivered into Christ's waiting arms, until we finish our race and keep the faith onto biological death.
As Jesus said.....
Be faithful even onto death and I will give you a crown of life.
All of humanity is, including the Men of Nineveh. What did Jesus say....
The Men of Nineveh repented on what Jonah preached.
We did Jonah preach?
Repent because........ah.....ah.....ah....you breaking God's law by doing this and that.
Is not this a perfect example for you my friend.
They fasted three days. What race fasted and prayed under the Old Covenant?
Jonah and his people. So whywas it expected for the unsaved gentiles?
Oh!
It is not a transaction.
Grace and Truth is an individual. Remaining faithful in Christ places you under Grace through him and unto you. The Grace poured out is the Living Water and as soon as you stray, your in drought my friend and there is no Grace that is in your pocession within a contractual sense of receiving it in your possession. You are merely tapping into it from the source who is Jesus Christ, so long you remain in him.
No one is given Grace to possess, it is not a transaction.
Exactly.
An individual never possessed Grace in the first place, they merely tapped into it through the Living Vine Jesus Christ. Once a branch detaches itself from the vine then the life support is removed and the foetus within the spiritual womb is miscarriaged and dies.
God in his Grace can reattach the branch if he so chooses to do so.
Jesus is Grace and the living waters that eminate from him is the Grace of God being poured from him to the branches attached to him.
If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. (John 15:6)