Are professed Christians who deliberately practice sin saved?

[fhansen]

So, judgment is custom tailored for each individual, or not...?

Yes, in the sense that each of us are at different levels of maturity, mental ability, experience, knowledge, grace, and time left in our lives. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." Luke 12:48
Either way, God judges how well we did with what we were given in the end.

 

[salt-n-light]

But what if it quacks like a duck, moos like a cow but looks like a t-rex?

Then I suggest you see your doctor.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Keeping the law - repentance - same thing.

There is a difference in who/Who is in control.

Look at the battle in Romans 7 trying to keep the law with your carnal nature. Doesn't work.

Then look at walking in the Spirit - your carnal nature is dead, thus making us dead to sin. But that only comes through repentance.

Repentance comes when you realize you're weak, and you call on God for help. No longer are you proud of yourself for each commandment you keep. There comes a day when the obstacle is just too strong, and you succumb to the temptation. That's when you have to humble yourself, and look up. That's when, and only when you've repented, that He puts His Own Spirit that does not sin into you, totally creating new desires that are righteous. You love what God loves, and you hate what God hates, AND you have power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you.

 

[Marvin Knox]

Repentance is required. That's what I hadn't done for 30 years.
It is interesting that not one prayer was answered during those 30 years, but every prayer was answered after being filled with the Spirit.

According to your testimony - you were not "saved" until you were filled with the Spirit.

What informed you that your were then "filled with the Spirit" where you were not before - even though, as you say, you had "turned your life over to Christ"?

Was it that you spoke in tongues or some other manifestation of the Spirit?

I.e. - what constitutes becoming "Spirit filled" in your understanding?

Also - you seem to say that unless you are so filled with the Spirit you are not yet saved. Is that your belief?

Repentance comes when you realize you're weak, and you call on God for help.

You did not do that when you "gave your life over to Christ" some 30 years ago?
Then in what way did you "give your life over to Christ"?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Yes, in the sense that each of us are at different levels of maturity, mental ability, experience, knowledge, grace. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." Luke 12:48
Either way, God judges how well we did with what we were given in the end.

I can relate. Looking back there were times when I was living in sin, and didn't even realize it was sin, but my prayers were still answered, because the Holy Spirit was within me, and I was His. As time went by the Holy Spirit cleaned up one sin after another as I grew in the knowledge of truth. You see, even though it was sin, it was not willful sin. In other words, it was not known sin, and my conscience was clear. But God doesn't leave His children in the mud. He just doesn't give us omniscient knowledge on the first day. As a baby Christian, you wouldn't be able to handle it.

Isaiah 28:9-10
“Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.”

 

[Neogaia777]

Yes, in the sense that each of us are at different levels of maturity, mental ability, experience, knowledge, grace, and time left in our lives. "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." Luke 12:48
Either way, God judges how well we did with what we were given in the end.

We wanna know if we can, or should judge or not...?

 

[dreadnought]

There is a difference in who/Who is in control.

Look at the battle in Romans 7 trying to keep the law with your carnal nature. Doesn't work.

Then look at walking in the Spirit - your carnal nature is dead, thus making us dead to sin. But that only comes through repentance.

Repentance comes when you realize you're weak, and you call on God for help. No longer are you proud of yourself for each commandment you keep. There comes a day when the obstacle is just too strong, and you succumb to the temptation. That's when you have to humble yourself, and look up. That's when, and only when you've repented, that He puts His Own Spirit that does not sin into you, totally creating new desires that are righteous. You love what God loves, and you hate what God hates, AND you have power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you.

Well, we need the Lord's forgiveness. His death on the cross accomplished that. Still, we need to repent of our sin.

 

[1stcenturylady]

According to your testimony - you were not "saved" until you were filled with the Spirit.

What informed you that your were then "filled with the Spirit" where you were not before - even though, as you say, you had "turned your life over to Christ"?

Was it that you spoke in tongues or some other manifestation of the Spirit?

I.e. - what constitutes becoming "Spirit filled" in your understanding?

Also - you seem to say that unless you are so filled with the Spirit you are not yet saved. Is that your belief?

You did not do that when you "gave your life over to Christ" some 30 years ago?
Then in what way did you "give your life over to Christ"?

I grew up in the Church and always loved Jesus, but I didn't fear Him enough to obey Him. So was that love? Did I really love Him, and not keep His commandments. I compare it to Queen Elizabeth. My mother was Australian, but I grew up in America. Even though I loved Queen Elizabeth, she didn't have any rule over me. So I really didn't belong to her.

Yes, being filled with the Spirit is essential for being saved. Romans 8:9 And that only comes from true repentance, and never wanting to get dirty again. I knew it when I was filled. I experienced it. It wasn't just having faith that you are filled, you KNOW it. All your desires are changed overnight. You have power over sin like you never had in your carnal flesh.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Well, we need the Lord's forgiveness. His death on the cross accomplished that. Still, we need to repent of our sin.

Exactly.

 

[Alexpro]

Why or why not? Please explain with the support of the scripture.


For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27 NASB)

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? (Romans 6:1-2 NASB)

What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? (Romans 6:15-16 NASB)

No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:6-9 NASB)

This is a good thread. It's really difficult to completely not sin. I think everybody has some kind of sin. For example over eating is a sin gluttony. I noticed a lot of pastors are over weight. There commiting sin. They can't stop over eating.

I think eating meat might be a sin Adam and eve didn't eat meat in the garden. I could be wrong I'm going to do more research. The Israel light didn't eat meat. They where on a vegetarian type of diet. They only eat meat during certain feasts. Like Passover.

I think a lot of people are committing sin and they don't even realize it. Some people might appear perfect and go to church every week but they might have pride or greed like a lot of pastors. They want more money but in the outside they look like a perfect Christians.

What about the Sabbath? God commanded us to rest on the seventh day. Is it a sin to not honor the Sabbath? That's another law everybody forgot about. I still sin sometimes but a stopped all the sexual sins and fornication years ago those are the worse ones. I will work on the other stuff. It's truly hard to live comepletly holy.

 

[Alexpro]

1 Peter 4:8 says that love covers a multitude of sins. I believe that the OP asks a very important question, but I do not believe that we have an easy answer that fits everyone. For the most part, it would seem that Christians who commit habitual sins could be in trouble. However, God no doubt judges the entire person, not just one aspect of a person's life. It might be possible that a Christian could make up for being trapped in a habitual sin, by being extraordinarily charitable toward others, especially the less fortunate.

I like that scripture.

 

[Old Trapper]

So we should execute excommunication under some, or all circumstances, or some over others, or what...?

See, that's the problem....?

God Bless!

Paul did not think it a problem, why would you? Oh that's right. We must conform to the world, not have the world conform to Christ.

Have you ever read Chapter 5? Ye who have ears to hear with let him hear:

1Cor. 5 4-12;

"In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?"

 

[JIMINZ]

So, judgment is custom tailored for each individual, or not...?

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From the answers you getting I would say so.

 

[Old Trapper]

This is a good thread. It's really difficult to completely not sin. I think everybody has some kind of sin. For example over eating is a sin gluttony. I noticed a lot of pastors are over weight. There commiting sin. They can't stop over eating.

The question is not just about sin, it is about the deliberate act of sinning.

I think eating meat might be a sin Adam and eve didn't eat meat in the garden. I could be wrong I'm going to do more research. The Israel light didn't eat meat. They where on a vegetarian type of diet. They only eat meat during certain feasts. Like Passover.

In the Garden yes. Once they were cast out then meat became a primary form of their food. Genesis 9: 2-4


"And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat."

I think a lot of people are committing sin and they don't even realize it. Some people might appear perfect and go to church every week but they might have pride or greed like a lot of pastors. They want more money but in the outside they look like a perfect Christians.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

"What about the Sabbath? God commanded us to rest on the seventh day. Is it a sin to not honor the Sabbath? That's another law everybody forgot about. I still sin sometimes but a stopped all the sexual sins and fornication years ago those are the worse ones. I will work on the other stuff. It's truly hard to live comepletly holy.[/QUOTE]

Which one, Saturday, the one appointed by God, or Sunday, the one appointed by man?

"For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.”

 

[Alexpro]

I know where not suppose to eat certain animal because there unclean. Like pigs ect. They have evil spirits.

Know a days everything is GMO and I heard a lot of animals are cloned there mixing genes to pervert God's creation.

 

[1stcenturylady]

This is a good thread. It's really difficult to completely not sin. I think everybody has some kind of sin. For example over eating is a sin gluttony. I noticed a lot of pastors are over weight. There commiting sin. They can't stop over eating.

I think eating meat might be a sin Adam and eve didn't eat meat in the garden. I could be wrong I'm going to do more research. The Israel light didn't eat meat. They where on a vegetarian type of diet. They only eat meat during certain feasts. Like Passover.

I think a lot of people are committing sin and they don't even realize it. Some people might appear perfect and go to church every week but they might have pride or greed like a lot of pastors. They want more money but in the outside they look like a perfect Christians.

What about the Sabbath? God commanded us to rest on the seventh day. Is it a sin to not honor the Sabbath? That's another law everybody forgot about. I still sin sometimes but a stopped all the sexual sins and fornication years ago those are the worse ones. I will work on the other stuff. It's truly hard to live comepletly holy.

Wow, those lions need to brush their teeth!

Thanks for joining the discussion, but I need to go back to bed now...will answer more tomorrow, I mean today when I wake up.

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Well it depends on which denomination you are and how you believe you become christian. In my case when my parents felt I was "of age" to understand salvation I let Jesus into my heart. I knew He was was, I loved the Lord. I served the Lord...etc. I was a good christian kid/preteen. But as my health got worse and then I had a seizure and TBI at 16, I grew angry at other christians and then God. So I was in a bad place for a long time until others (here at this forum) got me back on the path and I stopped blaming God for everything.

Thanks for sharing. It looks like this forum is not all bad like some here who make it seem like it is.

 

[JIMINZ]

The key phrase from 1 John 3 is practices sin. This is not the life of the true Christian. We can't know the status of another's salvation though.

No, that is a mistranslation. It is actually commits sin. We are dead to sin, so we are free from the desire to sin - IF we have the Holy Spirit.

There is a Cause and an affect.

1 Jn. 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;

What has been said above is a statement of fact, but the question arises, (Why does whosoever is Born of God not commit sin)?

The answer to that question is in the remaining part of the same Verse.

1) for his seed remaineth in him:

Whose seed?.........Gods' seed!

2) and he cannot sin,

Here it reiterates the inability to sin by the one Born Again, in a demonstrative way ...(he cannot sin),...... again the question....WHY?

3) because he is born of God.

"WOW" did you guys get that?

1Jn 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So then what we see is, Whosoever is Born of God,
(Does not commit sin, because he Cannot sin............(WHY)?
That's right, because he is Born of God.


A Believer being Born of God is the Cause.
A Believer not sinning is the Effect.

You can continue to argue about the word used, it is irrelevant which word you want to place in that position, (COMMIT or PRACTICE) it does not change the EFFECT upon the one Born Again of God, (He Cannot sin).

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Are you aiming at any particular sin? You seem to be promoting the law.

Any sin, but mainly aim at sins that we are aware that they are sins but we still choose to do it.

Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin. (James 4:17 NKJV)

 

[Lily of Valleys]

Kinda strange compilation of Scripture. The last verse seems out of place. So I must ask what truth are you talking about?

I quoted Proverbs 10:12 and James 5:19-20 to cross-reference 1 Peter 4:8 for comparison, using scripture to interpret scripture.