Tithing, college or health?

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Hi.

My name is Philip I am 24 years old, I work and paid for my college.

I've always tithed regularly since I started working, though I started to do a college that takes half of my salary and started to have some health problems.

I have no financial help from my parents, I pay for my college, my bus ticket, what I eat on the street, the doctor and the medicines I take, as well as medical tests, but it has been difficult since my health has worsened .

Currently I have problems in my stomach, eye allergy and also depression, it has been difficult to buy the remedies and go to the doctor, the college has been very heavy on the budget. I went to the ophthalmologist and found that I have glaucoma, the exams and medicines are expensive, I'm afraid to go in the gastro and find some ulcer and have to pay for the medicines too, also have depression, only with the medicines that I can stop thinking bad things.

Presently I have chosen to tithe and college and left health aside, maybe I should choose the tithe and health and leave college for a while. I'm in the middle of college and wanted to finish as fast as possible, it's very tiring to work all day and night to go to college, having to do the work on weekends and sometimes I feel discouraged to continue college.

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pay for your college, take care of you health, and give what you can after that.

you're are not under biblical obligation to tithe though you are under biblical obligation to give and you are to do it with joy and not under compulsion. there no set amount to give, do what you are able.

take care of your health.
 
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Hi.

My name is Philip I am 24 years old, I work and paid for my college.

I've always tithed regularly since I started working, though I started to do a college that takes half of my salary and started to have some health problems.

I have no financial help from my parents, I pay for my college, my bus ticket, what I eat on the street, the doctor and the medicines I take, as well as medical tests, but it has been difficult since my health has worsened .

Currently I have problems in my stomach, eye allergy and also depression, it has been difficult to buy the remedies and go to the doctor, the college has been very heavy on the budget. I went to the ophthalmologist and found that I have glaucoma, the exams and medicines are expensive, I'm afraid to go in the gastro and find some ulcer and have to pay for the medicines too, also have depression, only with the medicines that I can stop thinking bad things.

Presently I have chosen to tithe and college and left health aside, maybe I should choose the tithe and health and leave college for a while. I'm in the middle of college and wanted to finish as fast as possible, it's very tiring to work all day and night to go to college, having to do the work on weekends and sometimes I feel discouraged to continue college.

Thanks in advance.

I would agree with the general sentiment here.

At present, ... you are in the process of PREPARING for a lifetime of earning income.

I would say that tithing is OPTIONAL at this point. I would make a commitment to God ... to tithe when you make the transition to your true working career. Your commitment, to this point, has been commendable ... and I trust that you will continue to fulfill your personal commitments ... when you are more able.

Right now, ... caring for your health is paramount ... as you cannot expect to be ALL that God desires that you become ... if you allow your health to go to pot.

Be healthy ... and study hard, ... and God will bring you into YOUR SEASON of fruitfulness.
 
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Let's be Frank Blunt.

What has the Lord specifically told you?

Has the Lord told you that He wants you blind, and that by being blind you will be able to tithe even more?

If not, how in the world have you concluded that being blind is going to improve your ability to do anything else for God, regardless of what you believe about tithing?

Now, we can talk more about college--because not all college will lead to a greater ability to tithe. In fact, of all the stuff they offer in college, most of it will not lead to a greater ability to tithe than you could gain elsewhere.

For what you believe God wants you to do, how is being blind going to improve your ability to do it?

And those are considerations to make even before we get into the theological discussion of whether you even need to tithe.
 
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Any church that would take your money at the expense of your health isn't a church that deserves your money.

Whether you know it or not, ... that is quite a provocative statement.

I'm afraid that I've only seen a very few examples of churches which would go to the trouble of discerning whether an individual member should be "tithing" or not ...
 
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Whether you know it or not, ... that is quite a provocative statement.

I'm afraid that I've only seen a very few examples of churches which would go to the trouble of discerning whether an individual member should be "tithing" or not ...
It's not so much that they should discern on an individual basis. But I've heard more than one church guilt members into donating money they can't afford by questioning whether they truly trust God or not. Worse yet are the prosperity preachers who portray God as an ATM machine that will spit back at you everything you donate and then some (read some of the Joel Osteen testimonials). I've seen some even go so far as to state that failure to meet whatever financial donation threshold they set is sinful, and in some cases, may lead to damnation.
 
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Tithing is not a new testament ordinance. We are told to give cheerfully. Tithes were not of money but of produce, to support the priests and Levites.
 
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@Felipe Barbosa Felipe, what are you studying for?

Are you eating right?

Do you trust the leaders of your church? If they are helping you to grow in Jesus and you trust them, you can come to an agreement with them about what it is good for you to do. In case you do not trust them, I think you need to find leadership who is a good example for you and you trust these people. And God will satisfy you about whatsoever He really wants, and this will be in sharing with Jesus people as your family to support you.

God is not theoretical so we can figure out from ideas, alone, what He wants. He does personally guide each of us in His peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

"The LORD will guide you continually" (in Isaiah 58:11).

What I think I have learned is, that tithes in the time of Moses were used to help those in need. And the ones tithing were prospering. And it was guaranteed that if you tithed, that God would fully take care of you. And nowadays, there are ones in various groups who guarantee that if you trust God by tithing, that God will take care of you.

But, in my opinion, this is clearly not the case for some number of people who claim to be tithing. And it appears that tithes are not primarily used to help ones like widows and orphans and foreigners and ministerial people . . . so they are satisfied. But I see that tithes in the time of Moses were primarily . . . only . . . used for needy and ministerial people.

This is my opinion; you are welcome to make sure with God :)
 
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@Felipe Barbosa Felipe, what are you studying for?

Are you eating right?

Do you trust the leaders of your church? If they are helping you to grow in Jesus and you trust them, you can come to an agreement with them about what it is good for you to do. In case you do not trust them, I think you need to find leadership who is a good example for you and you trust these people. And God will satisfy you about whatsoever He really wants, and this will be in sharing with Jesus people as your family to support you.

God is not theoretical so we can figure out from ideas, alone, what He wants. He does personally guide each of us in His peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

"The LORD will guide you continually" (in Isaiah 58:11).

What I think I have learned is, that tithes in the time of Moses were used to help those in need. And the ones tithing were prospering. And it was guaranteed that if you tithed, that God would fully take care of you. And nowadays, there are ones in various groups who guarantee that if you trust God by tithing, that God will take care of you.

But, in my opinion, this is clearly not the case for some number of people who claim to be tithing. And it appears that tithes are not primarily used to help ones like widows and orphans and foreigners and ministerial people . . . so they are satisfied. But I see that tithes in the time of Moses were primarily . . . only . . . used for needy and ministerial people.

This is my opinion; you are welcome to make sure with God :)

I do Information Systems, there has been a big increase here in my country, the college is close to my home and my work so ends up helping.

No, actually I leave work and go straight to college, not like the street, I leave about 5 o'clock in the afternoon from work and I get home about 10:30 in the evening, my lunch is around noon. I would have to diet and not get many hours without eating because of my stomach, but healthy foods are kind of expensive.

I trust some leaders.

In my church we have the distribution of food to those who are in need, but the donations are in food itself and not in money.

Thanks.
 
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It's not so much that they should discern on an individual basis. But I've heard more than one church guilt members into donating money they can't afford by questioning whether they truly trust God or not. Worse yet are the prosperity preachers who portray God as an ATM machine that will spit back at you everything you donate and then some (read some of the Joel Osteen testimonials). I've seen some even go so far as to state that failure to meet whatever financial donation threshold they set is sinful, and in some cases, may lead to damnation.

In my church, tithing is spoken in a normal way, without the theology of prosperity, I, who remain in doubt, is an internal questioning of mine.
 
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Let's be Frank Blunt.

What has the Lord specifically told you?

Has the Lord told you that He wants you blind, and that by being blind you will be able to tithe even more?

If not, how in the world have you concluded that being blind is going to improve your ability to do anything else for God, regardless of what you believe about tithing?

Now, we can talk more about college--because not all college will lead to a greater ability to tithe. In fact, of all the stuff they offer in college, most of it will not lead to a greater ability to tithe than you could gain elsewhere.

For what you believe God wants you to do, how is being blind going to improve your ability to do it?

And those are considerations to make even before we get into the theological discussion of whether you even need to tithe.

So we have a communication problem on my part, I can not discern, in fact, I can not even understand people when they talk sometimes.

I take care of my eye better than the rest, even for fear of going blind (although I think it could be God's future punishment for the things I do, I should read the bible more and pay attention to the things of God), but I have felt the weight of the exams, but I have been worried about the rest of my body, just as I was having an abdominal pain for a long time I'm afraid of what they can be.

My course has a good income here in my country, I also tithe because I am not good with people, I do not how I can be really useful inside the church, I try to help at least by donating foods and tithe.
 
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Was something happening with your vision or did you find out during a regular exam and then went to a specialist? Can you still see all right, even off to your sides?

I have an ocular allergy, probably coming from the allergic rhinitis that I have (another thing I have to see).

I went to the ophthalmologist, and he passed several exams, at first it was just the allergy, when he saw the result of the eye fund exam he said that I was with glaucoma.

I just feel the allergy symptoms in the eye. I am going to do exams now in February to know how much of the visual field I still have and how the optic nerve cells are. If there was loss, I can not figure it out.

The doctor said that the angle is the open angle type, that this is good because the progression is slow and can be delayed with the eye drops.
 
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Hi.

My name is Philip I am 24 years old, I work and paid for my college.

I've always tithed regularly since I started working, though I started to do a college that takes half of my salary and started to have some health problems.

I have no financial help from my parents, I pay for my college, my bus ticket, what I eat on the street, the doctor and the medicines I take, as well as medical tests, but it has been difficult since my health has worsened .

Currently I have problems in my stomach, eye allergy and also depression, it has been difficult to buy the remedies and go to the doctor, the college has been very heavy on the budget. I went to the ophthalmologist and found that I have glaucoma, the exams and medicines are expensive, I'm afraid to go in the gastro and find some ulcer and have to pay for the medicines too, also have depression, only with the medicines that I can stop thinking bad things.

Presently I have chosen to tithe and college and left health aside, maybe I should choose the tithe and health and leave college for a while. I'm in the middle of college and wanted to finish as fast as possible, it's very tiring to work all day and night to go to college, having to do the work on weekends and sometimes I feel discouraged to continue college.

Thanks in advance.

When we were in need, those needs were made known to God, family, friends and church... family, friends and church contributed what money they could, some food and many prayers ...and the Lord laid it on the hearts others who heard of our hardships to give us more than twenty thousand dollars.
It was enough money to cover all our regular expenses and the new expenses that came along due to my husband being injured and us having daily trips to make to all his doctor and physical therapy appoints during the six + months my husband was unable to work.

And yes, we gave / "tithed" off what was given to us just as we have
always done when we had regular paychecks.
 
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When we were in need, those needs were made known to God, family, friends and church... family, friends and church contributed what money they could, some food and many prayers ...and the Lord laid it on the hearts others who heard of our hardships to give us more than twenty thousand dollars.
It was enough money to cover all our regular expenses and the new expenses that came along due to my husband being injured and us having daily trips to make to all his doctor and physical therapy appoints during the six + months my husband was unable to work.

And yes, we gave / "tithed" off what was given to us just as we have
always done when we had regular paychecks.

But you're married, I'm still single, the weight is totally different even though I also help financially at home.

My family has no money, a long story, my relatives who live farther have problems much greater than mine.

I have no friends.

I think there are people in the church who need more, unless I get really bad, I do not feel entitled to ask for financial help.
 
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Hi.

My name is Philip I am 24 years old, I work and paid for my college.

I've always tithed regularly since I started working, though I started to do a college that takes half of my salary and started to have some health problems.

I have no financial help from my parents, I pay for my college, my bus ticket, what I eat on the street, the doctor and the medicines I take, as well as medical tests, but it has been difficult since my health has worsened .

Currently I have problems in my stomach, eye allergy and also depression, it has been difficult to buy the remedies and go to the doctor, the college has been very heavy on the budget. I went to the ophthalmologist and found that I have glaucoma, the exams and medicines are expensive, I'm afraid to go in the gastro and find some ulcer and have to pay for the medicines too, also have depression, only with the medicines that I can stop thinking bad things.

Presently I have chosen to tithe and college and left health aside, maybe I should choose the tithe and health and leave college for a while. I'm in the middle of college and wanted to finish as fast as possible, it's very tiring to work all day and night to go to college, having to do the work on weekends and sometimes I feel discouraged to continue college.

Thanks in advance.


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