Trump will not get re elected..

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We agree on that part, and perhaps on the other parts too.

i have noticed that we mostly agree in different threads. Perhaps we mostly agree on this one too.

I hope so.

It's a tough road, brother, and we all need all the support and prayers we can get. Standing against the gargantuan political machine, that has been Trump's opposition, is like David against Goliath, including many so-called Republicans who did NOT want Trump in office, at any cost.

The only thing to assume is that they would've preferred Trump's opponent.
 
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Right.

It's good for all of us to remember how easy it is to talk right past each other, not even realizing we may already agree on many or even most of something at times. Different concerns, and different ways of using words, etc. Very easy. I don't want unlimited economic migration into the U.S., but I think also that we should indeed allow true refugees who are truly fleeing for their lives along with other sanctuary nations. For instance the Iraqi Christians. One good example. For some returning home is very similar to walking blind in an old minefield. If we are doing "love your neighbor" we will not deport them to multiple death sentences.

We always HAVE allowed true refugees into our country. I've advocated for and fought for many.
 
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I still support him. I think he's made strides in his presidency that put Obama to shame. When I say he is risking re election by not building the wall it's an honest criticism. He undoubtedly is being influenced by pansys in the Senate. I think he's easily swayed. But he can exercise executive authority on this and I think he won't do that until until 2019 when he realizes his bridges are on fire. Waiting until the bottom of the ninth with the score tied. It may or may not be too late, but if you have the ability to you don't wait til the bottom of the ninth and hope for the best. His balls need to re descend and get it done now. For numerous reasons. Ore else his voters will not stand behind him. I may or may not vote for Trump a second time, I hope I can with good conscience. But I will admit if Oprah were to run in 2020 especially if she does it independent, I can't say I'd never vote for her unless she was on the Democrats ticket.
 
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I doubt the swing voters who voted Trump care much about the wall, those that do want the wall will probably still vote Trump no matter what in opposition to the Dem candidate.

It's a shame there's no way of triggering an early presidential election (to my knowledge at least).

Republican's have tried to limit Medicare and Medicaid and ergo access to healthcare, which means accumulative preventable American deaths, let alone bankruptcies and the like due to costs. Combined with actively legislating to put millions of Americans healthcare at risk, abysmal Puerto Rico response and the continued attacks on services for the poor and poverty-stricken; I wonder how many hundreds/thousands/millions of Americans need to be abandoned to die before this presidency and Republicans are widely regarded as, dare I say, unsatisfactory politicians.
 
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I doubt the swing voters who voted Trump care much about the wall, those that do want the wall will probably still vote Trump no matter what in opposition to the Dem candidate.

It's a shame there's no way of triggering an early presidential election (to my knowledge at least).

Republican's have tried to limit Medicare and Medicaid and ergo access to healthcare, which means accumulative preventable American deaths, let alone bankruptcies and the like due to costs. Combined with actively legislating to put millions of Americans healthcare at risk, abysmal Puerto Rico response and the continued attacks on services for the poor and poverty-stricken; I wonder how many hundreds/thousands/millions of Americans need to be abandoned to die before this presidency and Republicans are widely regarded as, dare I say, unsatisfactory politicians.
health care can be improved immediately by denying entry into the country people who are going to come here knowingly and self seeking looking for free health care ie Medicaid amongst other additional benefits they reap at the expense of generationally American needy.
 
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Mr. Trump's wall was a very large cornerstone in his campaign. It seems that his supporters are forgetting the other half of that promise. Mr. Trump assured us that he would make Mexico pay for this wall.
Now it seems that he wants the American taxpayer to foot the bill.
 
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I may or may not vote for Trump a second time, I hope I can with good conscience. But I will admit if Oprah were to run in 2020 especially if she does it independent, I can't say I'd never vote for her unless she was on the Democrats ticket.
I couldn't vote for him the first time and what I've seen so far confirms my decision. I didn't vote for Hillary either and am happy I didn't make that mistake either. I think Trump is a symptom of the sickness of American politics. There is no middle any more, no consensus, only polarization into opposites. Well, there are a few Republicans who would like to govern from the middle, but they are dropping like flies. The Democrats have for many years now been an extremist party and with Trump the Republicans have no room except for extremists. Trump owns the Republicans now. Trump will win if he can motivate his extremists better than the Democrats can motivate their extremists. Most of us in the middle are left with a draconian choice between two unpalatable extremes and we'll split the difference while plugging our noses. It shouldn't be that way. We should have choices outside of the 'two party system'. Actually we do, if we're able to get over voting against a bad candidate and start voting for a good candidate. I am not at all optimistic about that. Trump has a chance at being president for eight years. What a mess.
 
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Better get used to saying President Winfrey.
Isn't it amazing how the liberals have backfilipped on their standards. When Trump was running for president they were extremely vocal about how unqualified a TV personality/businessman was for the presidency and now they are championing Oprah. At least they are consistent in their hypocrisy, which has some entertainment value.
 
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I doubt the swing voters who voted Trump care much about the wall, those that do want the wall will probably still vote Trump no matter what in opposition to the Dem candidate.
The media don't like '[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]hole countries' either

LIMBAUGH: President Trump, Please Stay The Course

This is Eric Limbaugh and not Rush.
 
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With this I agree. The election issue is his level of support with those who don't support him no matter what he says of does (his base).

From all that I can gather, his base remains approximately the same as always.
 
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I don't expect Trump to run in 2020 after being impeached by the House in 2019 or early 2020. after a long set of hearings.

Given that the Democratic Party will likely give the nomination to someone from the far left, I expect that Rubio, Haily, Cruz or Kasich would have no trouble winning.

Against Trump, I suspect that Biden would be the strongest candidate.
 
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Democrats talked about impeachment for President George W. Bush during his first term.

And the talking heads in the drive-by media were saying Bush wasn't going to get reelected.

But he got reelected. So it can happen the same way again but with President Trump.

Democrats are angry that they aren't in power.
 
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Bush, who many blamed for an an unnecessary War In Iraq isn't the issue.

You are correct that there will be no impeachment until the Democrats control the House, likely in January of 2019.

Democrats talked about impeachment for President George W. Bush during his first term.

And the talking heads in the drive-by media were saying Bush wasn't going to get reelected.

But he got reelected. So it can happen the same way again but with President Trump.

Democrats are angry that they aren't in power.
 
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I don't expect Trump to run in 2020 after being impeached by the House in 2019 or early 2020. after a long set of hearings.

Given that the Democratic Party will likely give the nomination to someone from the far left, I expect that Rubio, Haily, Cruz or Kasich would have no trouble winning.

Against Trump, I suspect that Biden would be the strongest candidate.

Those impeachment dates just get pushed further and further back.

But an impeachment in 2020 is extremely unlikely, if politicians even have a modicum of sense and self-preservation instincts. The only way it could possibly work is if President Trump did something not only ridiculously illegal, but also highly unpopular across the board.

If he gets impeached merely for being unpopular among the left or uncouth or due to unproven conspiracy theories or for enforcing immigration law or for whatever reason, and this happens at the start of the 2020 election season, Americans will interpret this as a clear signal that President Trump is being impeached merely because the political elite have decided that he is not acceptable in their society, regardless of what the voting public thinks.

The biggest reason that President Trump won the election was the feeling among Americans that they had been ignored by the establishment, and that if they elected a usual politician their concerns would continue to be ignored. If he had run 20 years ago, he wouldn't have won, because people would have had too much faith in politics as usual.

You may be hoping that if President Trump is impeached at the beginning of the election season, then the voters will resign themselves to the idea that they have to accept the poor candidates that the establishment parties give them, regardless of how little they do for them. But that's not what would happen. Rather, the public would learn that they won't be represented by the president, or any other politician for that matter, and as such they will have to make their will known in non-political ways. If you don't like President Trump you really won't like what that looks like.
 
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Bush, who many blamed for an an unnecessary War In Iraq isn't the issue.

You are correct that there will be no impeachment until the Democrats control the House, likely in January of 2019.

Adding on to my previous post, if impeachment happened immediately after the Democrats gained control of the House (should such a thing happen; it's possible if Republicans don't get on board with a reasonable agenda), then the action would be seen as unabashedly partisan. That is, it would be seen as an action taken not because President Trump deserved it, but because the Democrats are willing to use any law as a weapon to force their will on everyone else. At that point the rule of law is over; we would be living in a world where no one can deny that politicians can do whatever they can get away with and are only motivated by a desire for power. In terms of politics it might still work out for the Democrats, since past actions of the Republicans suggest that they would be too stupid to fight back against these tactics. However, in such a scenario politics become irrelevant because the public no longer believes that their will can be known through political means.
 
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I'll try to be much more clear. Democratic led impeachment hearings in the House would start in January of 2019. As with the Republican committees, this may take up to a year, so, yes, an impeachment vote would be in late 2019 or in 2020.

Those impeachment dates just get pushed further and further back.
 
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Bush, who many blamed for an an unnecessary War In Iraq isn't the issue.
Democrats were saying Bush wouldn't get reelected, and they were wrong. Democrats said Donald Trump had no chance of winning in 2016, and they were wrong. So Democrats could be wrong again in saying that President Trump won't have a second term. And I plan to vote for Trump again.
 
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Lindsey Graham has his head so far up Trump's rest, he wouldn't be able to see daylight if someone reached down and offered him a mirror.
Before I either agree or disagree with that statement, I'd have to know which day of the week we are talking about.
 
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Mr. Trump's wall was a very large cornerstone in his campaign. It seems that his supporters are forgetting the other half of that promise. Mr. Trump assured us that he would make Mexico pay for this wall.
Now it seems that he wants the American taxpayer to foot the bill.
1 government shut down would pay for that wall and more. Just goes to show you what a joke this 2 party system is. They all have had shut downs based on partisan hypocrisy. That's why I claim neither party.
 
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