New Testament Promises of Israel’s Restoration

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From Market Ticker :

The shining light of democracy in the Middle East eh?

"Even though Davidson belongs to the officially recognized Orthodox stream of Judaism, he is among a growing cohort of Jewish groups running afoul of the law by performing weddings without the rabbinate’s sanction. Critics like Davidson believe the rabbinate has grown too strict in its interpretation of religious law, making it unnecessarily difficult for Jewish couples to marry."

See, it's illegal (under Israeli law) to get married without the rabbinate's sanction. Which means both parties must be Jewish according to their interpretation.

This, of course, has a perfectly-reasonable justification: It's demographics, you see, and Israel is very concerned about that.

Suppressing non-Jewish people from procreating and possibly causing citizens to show up that are not Jewish is a major problem. It's racist, of course, but racism as long as you're Jewish is ok with the US when it comes to Israel -- both in terms of foreign policy and among Americans.

Right?

Remember that America once had those laws too. Marriage licenses first arose to prevent the "wrong" people from marrying. Prior to such laws you posted your banns on the church door; no "official" permission required. Marriage laws in the US were instituted in large part to prevent black and white people from marrying each other. Racisim, in other words, officially ensconced in the law. It wasn't that long ago that many county clerks still enforced same even though it was roundly illegal to do so.

Indeed the latest round of this has taken place when it comes to same-sex marriage, in exactly the same way.

Why is Israel concerned about this? What happens to their "Jewish State" when 50.1% of the voters aren't Jewish?

Now it makes sense, doesn't it?

We have no right to tell a sovereign nation how to conduct its own internal affairs. But I refuse to give cover to and ignore those who are bigots, and the Israelis quite-clearly are guilty of exactly what they accuse others of.
 
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From Market Ticker :

The shining light of democracy in the Middle East eh?

"Even though Davidson belongs to the officially recognized Orthodox stream of Judaism, he is among a growing cohort of Jewish groups running afoul of the law by performing weddings without the rabbinate’s sanction. Critics like Davidson believe the rabbinate has grown too strict in its interpretation of religious law, making it unnecessarily difficult for Jewish couples to marry."

See, it's illegal (under Israeli law) to get married without the rabbinate's sanction. Which means both parties must be Jewish according to their interpretation.

This, of course, has a perfectly-reasonable justification: It's demographics, you see, and Israel is very concerned about that.

Suppressing non-Jewish people from procreating and possibly causing citizens to show up that are not Jewish is a major problem. It's racist, of course, but racism as long as you're Jewish is ok with the US when it comes to Israel -- both in terms of foreign policy and among Americans.

Right?

Remember that America once had those laws too. Marriage licenses first arose to prevent the "wrong" people from marrying. Prior to such laws you posted your banns on the church door; no "official" permission required. Marriage laws in the US were instituted in large part to prevent black and white people from marrying each other. Racisim, in other words, officially ensconced in the law. It wasn't that long ago that many county clerks still enforced same even though it was roundly illegal to do so.

Indeed the latest round of this has taken place when it comes to same-sex marriage, in exactly the same way.

Why is Israel concerned about this? What happens to their "Jewish State" when 50.1% of the voters aren't Jewish?

Now it makes sense, doesn't it?

We have no right to tell a sovereign nation how to conduct its own internal affairs. But I refuse to give cover to and ignore those who are bigots, and the Israelis quite-clearly are guilty of exactly what they accuse others of.

You are willfully ignoring the fact that the scriptures clearly forbade the Jews to marry gentiles.
 
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You are willfully ignoring the fact that the scriptures clearly forbade the Jews to marry gentiles.

Rth_4:13 So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son.


Mat 1:5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

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So this entire three chapter section (Romans 9-11) is about the fleshly nation of Israel, who were “enemies” “concerning the gospel.” That is, the people under discussion had not accepted the gospel, and were on their way to a lost eternity. But, even though tthey were “enemies,” yet they were still “beloved for the sake of the fathers.” And then comes a stunning declaration, which is the death forever for the claim that god has permanently rejected Israel. “For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.” (Romans 11:29)

We need to notice that the context of this declaration that “the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable” is the fact that Paul’s “brethren,” his “countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites,” are “enemies” “concerning the gospel.” Yet they “are beloved for the sake of the fathers.”

Yes, but not all Israelites, according to the flesh, are Israel
Romans 9:6-8
is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are Abraham’s descendants are they all his children. On the contrary, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”a 8So it is not the children of the flesh who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring

It is ONLY THE REMNANT of Israel that was chosen by the grace of God that was saved.

Romans 9:27
27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea,
ONLY the remnant will be saved.

The remnant of Israel was not saved all at once, but over many years.
Acts 2:41
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Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.
Acts 9:3-4
As Saul drew near to Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?”
Acts 28:23-24
they set a day to meet with Paul, and many people came to the place he was staying. He expounded to them from morning to evening, testifying about the kingdom of God and persuading them about Jesus from the Law of Moses and the Prophets. Some of them were convinced by what he said, but others refused to believe.

By the time of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies, as prophesied in the OT and by Christ, ALL of remnant Israel was saved, and thereby ALL Israel saved, as those not of the remnant are not Israel.

This is clearly seen through Romans 11-9


1.) Only the remnant of Israel is saved
Romans 9:27
Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea,
ONLY the remnant will be saved.
2.) Not all of Israel is Israel
Romans 9:6
It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
3.) All Israel saved.
Romans 11:26
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written
 
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Again, we read:

“24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” (Luke 21:24)

And:

“25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.” (Romans 11:25)

As in the case of Matthew 23:39 and Luke 13:35, the Greek word translated “until” in these two passages is also the same. But for these two passages, the Greek word is “achri.” (word number 891 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary) In the KJV, this word is translated “until” 16 times, “unto” 13 times, “till” 6 times, and “even to” 2 times. (It is also translated “while” 2 times, but only if accompanied by the Greek word “hos,” word number 3739 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary, which means “who,” “which,” “what,” or “that.”)

You also have to compare the trampling of Jerusalem by gentiles to revelation.

According to revelation, the trampling of Jerusalem would only last 42 months

but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the gentiles, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.
Revelation 11:2
 
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You also have to compare the trampling of Jerusalem by gentiles to revelation.

According to revelation, the trampling of Jerusalem would only last 42 months

but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the gentiles, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.
Revelation 11:2

You are ignoring most of what the Bible says abut this.
 
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Not sure what you mean by this. Was just including this verse, as you left it out of your gentiles trampling Jerusalem topic
MY comment was aimed at Preterism in general, as it simply ignores the very many scriptures that explicitly state that a time will come when absolutely all of the nation of Israel will be restored to its ancient homeland.

The trampling was to BEGIN at the time Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed, not END at that time. And the 42 months mentioned in the Revelation refer to a future period, not a past one.
 
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many scriptures that explicitly state that a time will come when absolutely all of the nation of Israel will be restored to its ancient homeland.
The question, then is: Who is the true Israel of God? The 'nation' that Jesus said would be the one that bears the proper fruit? Matthew 21:43

The unscriptural nonsense that ethnic Israelis are all going to be saved and redeemed, is just another lie on top of the rapture to heaven lie, in order to make it work.
People look at Zechariah 12 and think the House of Judah will survive intact thru tribulation. But verse 14 mentions only the remaining families, the survivors, as clearly told us in Zechariah 13:7-9, those who truly believe and who accept Jesus as their Messiah. They will join their Christian brethren in all of the holy Land. Jeremiah 49:4-5
 
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The question, then is: Who is the true Israel of God? The 'nation' that Jesus said would be the one that bears the proper fruit? Matthew 21:43

The unscriptural nonsense that ethnic Israelis are all going to be saved and redeemed, is just another lie on top of the rapture to heaven lie, in order to make it work.
People look at Zechariah 12 and think the House of Judah will survive intact thru tribulation. But verse 14 mentions only the remaining families, the survivors, as clearly told us in Zechariah 13:7-9, those who truly believe and who accept Jesus as their Messiah. They will join their Christian brethren in all of the holy Land. Jeremiah 49:4-5

The entire nation of Israel at the time when this promise is fulfilled, will not only be severely reduced in size by the tribulation, during which time 2/3 of all the inhabitants of the land will be killed. It will again be severely reduced by the judgments of God which will take place at the time of His coming. It is only after all this, that the entire nation will be settled in the land, and then shall every one of them be called holy.

Rather than being an opinion based on interpretation, all of this is explicitly stated in scripture.
 
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The entire nation of Israel at the time when this promise is fulfilled, will not only be severely reduced in size by the tribulation, during which time 2/3 of all the inhabitants of the land will be killed. It will again be severely reduced by the judgments of God which will take place at the time of His coming. It is only after all this, that the entire nation will be settled in the land, and then shall every one of them be called holy.

Rather than being an opinion based on interpretation, all of this is explicitly stated in scripture.


Abraham does not desire to return to Canaan land.

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.



The woman at the well agrees with you.
However, Christ corrected her in the passage below.


Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.


Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


 
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The entire nation of Israel at the time when this promise is fulfilled, will not only be severely reduced in size by the tribulation, during which time 2/3 of all the inhabitants of the land will be killed. It will again be severely reduced by the judgments of God which will take place at the time of His coming. It is only after all this, that the entire nation will be settled in the land, and then shall every one of them be called holy.

Rather than being an opinion based on interpretation, all of this is explicitly stated in scripture.
You fail to answer my question; Who is the true Israel of God?
Also the vast multitude seen in Jerusalem, Revelation 7:9, are far more than just Jews. Do not think, as many do, that they are in heaven; the Bible does not say that. If you do, then it is you that has an opinion based on interpretation, believing a falsehood that is not explicitly stated in scripture.

BaB, your stuck recordings, cut and pastes, do become rather tiresome.
Jesus and Paul teach that for the Church age, all the faithful Christian believers are the spiritual Temple and earthly dwelling place of the holy Spirit.
This truth does not preclude a future return to the holy Land by a people who will be called the sons of the Living God. Romans 9:24-26
In fact, if this does not happen, then the plans and purposes of God will have failed.
 
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The entire nation of Israel at the time when this promise is fulfilled, will not only be severely reduced in size by the tribulation, during which time 2/3 of all the inhabitants of the land will be killed. It will again be severely reduced by the judgments of God which will take place at the time of His coming. It is only after all this, that the entire nation will be settled in the land, and then shall every one of them be called holy.

Rather than being an opinion based on interpretation, all of this is explicitly stated in scripture.
Here's who Israel is:

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Ultimately every inhabitant of planet earth. That will be quite some carnage. How will it get cleaned up in time for the millennium?
 
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The trampling was to BEGIN at the time Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed, not END at that time. And the 42 months mentioned in the Revelation refer to a future period, not a past one

So do you believe the trampling has not occurred yet, or do you believe in 2 different tramplings?

Also, do you believe the heavenly Jerusalem can be trampled by gentiles? Because that is the one we all seek, not physical, earthly Jerusalem that is cast out never to receive inheritance.

Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.”
Galatians 4:25-26, 30
 
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It is only after all this, that the entire nation will be settled in the land, and then shall every one of them be called holy.

Only the remnant of Israel is saved:

And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved,
Romans 9:27

All ethnic israel is saved by saving only the ethnic remnant, as only the ethnic remnant saved by the grace of God is true Israel.

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel,
Romans 9:6
 
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So do you believe the trampling has not occurred yet, or do you believe in 2 different tramplings?

Also, do you believe the heavenly Jerusalem can be trampled by gentiles? Because that is the one we all seek, not physical, earthly Jerusalem that is cast out never to receive inheritance.

Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.”
Galatians 4:25-26, 30

The earthly Jerusalem began to be trampled by the gentiles when it was conquored in 70 A.D. That trampling continues to this day, and will continue until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.
 
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That trampling continues to this day, and will continue until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled....................................

Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

The times of the Gentiles ends at the future Second Coming of Christ, based on Luke 21:20-28.

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Many people imagine that the many scriptural promises of a future restoration of Israel, both to her ancient homeland and to her God, are contained only in the Old Testament and no longer apply. But it is not only the Old Testament that declares that Israel will eventually be restored. The New Testament also teaches this, both in the direct words of our Lord himself, and in the words of the Holy Spirit, given through the Apostles. We read, for instance, that Jesus said: “37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ” (Matthew 23:37-39) And: “34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing! 35 See! Your house is left to you desolate; and assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ” (Luke 13:34-35) We need to notice what was addressed here. These words were not addressed to the individuals standing around. Nor were they addressed to the priests that had rejected Him. Nor to the Pharisees and Sadducees. They were addressed, and specifically addressed, to a city, Jerusalem. Jesus said, “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!” (And in both passages, the wording of this sentence is identical.) The fact that Jesus accused Jerusalem of killing “the prophets” and of stoning “those who are sent to her,” Jesus was unquestionably addressing the city of Jerusalem in a multi-generational sense. Why is this important? Because Jesus did not say that Jerusalem would see Him no more “unless” they said “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!” He said it would see Him no more “till” or “until” until it said this. The Greek word translated “till” in Matthew 23:39 is the same one translated “until” in Luke 13:35. This is the Greek word “heos” (word number 2193 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary.) In the KJV, this Greek word is translated “till” 39 times, “until” 25 times, “unto” 27 times, and “to” 16 times. This Greek word does not imply that the event referred to “might” happen. It implies that the event “will” eventually happen. This is not interpretation. It is the basic meaning of the Greek word used in these two scriptures. So Jesus was unquestionably saying that there was a time coming, in which this wicked and rebellious city would finally say, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!” (And again, in this sentence as well, the wording of both of these passages is identical.) So from these two passages alone, we know that there will be a day when Jerusalem will say, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!” This would be plain even if no other passage spoke of it. But that is not all we see in these passages. We also see, in the words of our Lord Jesus himself, that although Israel is now rejected, that rejection is only temporary, and will end when they finally say “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord” Again, we read: “24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” (Luke 21:24) And: “25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.” (Romans 11:25)
As in the case of Matthew 23:39 and Luke 13:35, the Greek word translated “until” in these two passages is also the same. But for these two passages, the Greek word is “achri.” (word number 891 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary) In the KJV, this word is translated “until” 16 times, “unto” 13 times, “till” 6 times, and “even to” 2 times. (It is also translated “while” 2 times, but only if accompanied by the Greek word “hos,” word number 3739 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary, which means “who,” “which,” “what,” or “that.”) But again, we need to notice the subject of these two pronouncements. The first pronouncement is, as in the first two passages we noticed, about the city of Jerusalem. Now some want to pretend that the words, “until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled,” refer to the events of A.D.70, when the Romans sacked Jerusalem. There can be zero doubt that the entire preceding part of this paragraph referred to this time. For it says: “20 But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles.” (Luke 21:20-24a)
But we need to notice that the time specified by the words “until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled” does not end at the fall of Jerusalem. Instead of ending at that time, it begins at that time, running forward to an undefined later time. (I speak here only of the specific wording of this sentence. For the ending of that time is indeed specified, and clearly specified, in other scriptures.) So again this statement, which speaks of the city of Jerusalem over a period of time that is not defined in this passage, is again speaking of that city in a multi-generational sense.
But what of the second of the two pronouncements we are currently discussing? In Romans 11:25 we read that “blindness in part has happened to Israel.” Now many want to insist that in the New Testament, “Israel” means “the church.” But this passage is clearly not saying that “blindness in part” has happened to “the church.” Such an idea would be contrary to many other scriptures, such as John 16:13, where we read, “However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth.” So this passage is clearly speaking of the physical nation of Israel. This is indeed made crystal clear when the entirety of this very long passage is considered. For it begins three chapters earlier by clearly speaking of Paul’s “brethren,” his countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites.” (Romans 9:3-4a) So this pronouncement is very unquestionably about the nation of Israel. And it unquestionably speaks of a judicial “ blindness” inflicted upon that ancient and evil nation. But that “blindness”is is only “in part,” and this “blindness” is unquestionably temporary. For rather than being permanent, it is only “until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.” And this word “until” clearly speaks of a time when that Judicial blindness will end. It could hardly be more obvious that this time has not yet come, for the vast bulk is that nation remains partially blinded to spiritual truth, even to the present day. But when “the fullness of the Gentiles has come in,” that judicially inflicted blindness will come to an end. When Luke 21:24 and Romans 11:25 are examined together, it becomes obvious that they both refer to the same time, that is, that the time when “the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled,” or the time when “the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.” So we see that both of these passages say, in one case, that “Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles,” or, in the other case, “Israel” is inflicted with a judicial “blindness,” until that time. And that time is when “the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled,” or when “the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.” Both of the two Greek words translated “till” or “until” in these four passages, clearly indicate a temporary condition, that will have a distinctive ending. Their difference is that “heos,” which is used in Matthew 23:39 and Luke 13:35, stresses that the condition described will continue until the time is reached, while “achri,” which is used in Luke 21:24 and Romans 11:25, stresses that the condition described will end at a specific time. So now we have seen four different places in the New Testament, all of which clearly show that the current rejection of Israel is only temporary, and that it will end at a specific time, which is still future even now, nearly two thousand years since these pronouncements were made. But now we need to go back and re-consider the last of these four passages we have noticed. “25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.” (Romans 11:25) For this passage continues as follows: “26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: ‘The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.’ 28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.” (Romans 11:26-29) The context of this entire passage, Romans 11:25-29, existing as it does in immediate connection with verse 25, highlights its unified message. The judicial “blindness” inflicted upon Israel is only temporary, “and so all Israel will be saved.” “For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.” Between these statements we read that even though “they are enemies for your sakes,” they yet remain “beloved for the sake of the fathers.” That is, this passage is not speaking of that portion of Israel that has come to faith in Crist, but of that portion of that ancient and rebellious nation that have rejected the message of the gospel. This is the context of both the statement that “all Israel will be saved” and the statement that “the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.” This message is stated so clearly that nothing but prejudice can keep a person from understanding it.
Well, that is a good start. How about "these all died in the faith, not yet having received the promises but seeing it afar off? And that only a few will be saved, not all those from the past? As in the case of Noah, only 8 souls were saved.
 
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BaB, your stuck recordings, cut and pastes, do become rather tiresome.

I do apologize for that, Brother.

However, we have new people here on a regular basis, who have never heard it before.

I promise to be patient with what you may have posted before.

70 x 7


Based on what Jesus told the woman at the well about not worshiping in Jerusalem and Hebrews 11:15-16, I have no future plans to visit the middle east on this rotten, sin-cursed word.
I am looking for the same heavenly city that Abraham is now looking for.
I hope you will forgive me for this.

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