The Vatican gave money to the 2016 campaign of Hillary Clinton

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The money used, according to the book "Dictator Pope", was from the Peter's Pence fund, which is contributed to by every parish in the world.

If this is true, is it a misuse of this fund? Does it constitute an attempt to influence the politics of the United States, as Russia is being accused of?

Over a couple of years, I've been made aware of several second collection recipients who do things that are manifestly against the Church's doctrine, like providing money to organizations which promote abortion and birth control. When I become aware of these, I tend to no longer donate to those second collections.
On another note, though, why would the Vatican be favoring one Presidential campaign over another, especially when that candidate is known to be anti-life?
 

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That's very unfortunate, regardless of candidate or party it's going to.

I don't imagine many people expect their church donations going to political campaigns.
I agree, it's not about the party. It would have troubled me if it was President Trump, and I'm a supporter of his presidency.
 
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I agree, it's not about the party. It would have troubled me if it was President Trump, and I'm a supporter of his presidency.

When I give money at church I expect it to go to the needy through food banks, helping support clubs and fellowship at or around the church, upkeep of the church building(several hundred years old) or materials and services to be delivered as part of the church's services for the congregation and in outreach.

I'd frankly feel betrayed if I found out it had been used for that end.
 
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This is laughable. The term "Vatican" is thrown around indiscriminately. Also, highly doubtful.
Who controls Peter's Pence? That's the specific fund that was used to make the donation.
 
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On another note, though, why would the Vatican be favoring one Presidential campaign over another, especially when that candidate is known to be anti-life?
It would be consistent with how Francis praised someone who is Pro-Abortion and consistent with him appointing liberals to positions in the Vatican.

See:
Francis calls Italy’s foremost abortion promoter one of nation’s ‘forgotten greats’
New members of Vatican pro-life academy have defended abortion and contraception
 
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The world, and Christianity, IMHO is not defined by the single issue of Abortion. That issue does not trump all others (no pun intended). Likely, they contribute to every campaign. Also likely if I'm wrong and they contributed to Clinton but not Trump, it's because they felt that the overall theme theme of the Clinton campaign was far more Christian than that of Trump's (given that abortion is not the defining issue).
 
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The world, and Christianity, IMHO is not defined by the single issue of Abortion. That issue does not trump all others (no pun intended). Likely, they contribute to every campaign. Also likely if I'm wrong and they contributed to Clinton but not Trump, it's because they felt that the overall theme theme of the Clinton campaign was far more Christian than that of Trump's (given that abortion is not the defining issue).
Abortion is murder, and the most heinous kind since it is the murder of babies. Hillary Clinton made it clear that she was against us who are Pro-Life. She wanted to force us to change our religious beliefs. By contrast, President Trump has kept his promise to help Christians in our fight to keep our religious liberty.
 
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Abortion is one issue out of a million issues.

...the collective sum is what then defines how "Christian" the point of view may be.
All other rights are secondary to the right to life.
 
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Take the Bible in it's totality, read all of the issues that it addresses, and then weigh it against the platforms of both parties.
"Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law: 'You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish. God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.'" - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2271

"Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. 'A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,' 'by the very commission of the offense,' and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society." - CCC, 2272

"From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a 'criminal' practice (GS 27 § 3), gravely contrary to the moral law. The Church imposes the canonical penalty of excommunication for this crime against human life." - CCC, 2322

"The moral gravity of procured abortion is apparent in all its truth if we recognize that we are dealing with murder.... The one eliminated is a human being at the very beginning of life." - Pope St. John Paul II
The Bible's Teaching Against Abortion
Fr. Frank Pavone

The Bible clearly teaches that abortion is wrong. This teaching comes across in many ways and for many reasons. Some people point out that the word "abortion" is not in the Bible, and that is true. Nevertheless, the teaching about abortion is there. This is the case with many teachings. The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but the teaching about the Trinity is there. In any case, a person who wants to deny the teaching about abortion would deny it even if the word were there.

Let's look at some of the Biblical reasons why abortion, the deliberate destruction of a child in the womb, is very wrong.

1. The Bible teaches that human life is different from other types of life, because human beings are made in the very image of God.

The accounts of the creation of man and woman in Genesis (Genesis 1:26-31; 2:4-25) tell us this: "God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them" (Genesis 1:27).

The word "create" is used three times here, emphasizing a special crowning moment in the whole process of God's making the world and everything in it. The man and woman are given "dominion" over everything else in the visible world.

Not even the original sin takes away the image of God in human beings. St. James refers to this image and says that because of it we should not even speak ill of one another. "With [the tongue] we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings who are made in the image of God . . . This ought not be so, brothers" (James 3:9-10).

The image of God! This is what it means to be human! We are not just a bunch of cells randomly thrown together by some impersonal forces. Rather, we really reflect an eternal God who knew us from before we were made, and purposely called us into being.

At the heart of the abortion tragedy is the question raised in the Psalms: "Lord, what is man that you care for him, mortal man that you keep him in mind? . . . With glory and honor you crowned him, giving him power over the works of your hands" (Psalm 8:5-7).

There is the key. Not only did God make us, but He values us. The Bible tells us of a God who is madly in love with us, so much so that He became one of us and even died for us while we were still offending Him (see Romans 5:6-8). In the face of all this, can we say that human beings are disposable, like a car that is more trouble than it's worth? "God doesn't make junk." If you believe the Bible, you have to believe that human life is sacred, more sacred than we have ever imagined!

2. The Bible teaches that children are a blessing.

God commanded our first parents to "Be fertile and multiply" (Genesis 1:28). Why? God Himself is fertile. Love always overflows into life. When the first mother brought forth the first child, she exclaimed, "I have brought forth a man with the help of the Lord" (Genesis 4:1). The help of the Lord is essential, for He has dominion over human life and is its origin. Parents cooperate with God in bringing forth life. Because this whole process is under God's dominion, it is sinful to interrupt it. The prophet Amos condemns the Ammonites "because they ripped open expectant mothers in Gilead" (Amos 1:13).

"Truly children are a gift from the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward" (Psalm 127:3).

3. The Bible teaches that the child in the womb is truly a human child, who even has a relationship with the Lord.

The phrase "conceived and bore" is used repeatedly (see Genesis 4:1, 17) and the individual has the same identity before as after birth. "In sin my mother conceived me," the repentant psalmist says in Psalm 51:7. The same word is used for the child before and after birth (Brephos, that is, "infant," is used in Luke 1:41 and Luke 18:15.)

God knows the preborn child. "You knit me in my mother's womb . . . nor was my frame unknown to you when I was made in secret" (Psalm 139:13,15). God also helps and calls the preborn child. "You have been my guide since I was first formed . . . from my mother's womb you are my God" (Psalm 22:11-12). "God . . . from my mother's womb had set me apart and called me through his grace" (St. Paul to the Galatians 1:15).

4. Scripture repeatedly condemns the killing of the innocent.

This flows from everything that has been seen so far. God's own finger writes in stone the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" (Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17) and Christ reaffirms it (Matthew 19:18-notice that He mentions this commandment first). The Book of Revelation affirms that murderers cannot enter the kingdom of heaven (Revelation 22:15).

The killing of children is especially condemned by God through the prophets. In the land God gave his people to occupy, foreign nations had the custom of sacrificing some of their children in fire. God told His people that they were not to share in this sin. They did, however; as Psalm 106 relates: "They mingled with the nations and learned their works . . . They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to demons, and they shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and their daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, desecrating the land with bloodshed" (Psalm 106:35, 37-38).

This sin of child-sacrifice, in fact, is mentioned as one of the major reasons that the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians and the people taken into exile. "They mutilated their sons and daughters by fire . . . till the Lord, in his great anger against Israel, put them away out of his sight" (2 Kings 17:17-18).

Not even for "religious freedom" can the killing of children be tolerated.

5. The Bible teaches that God is a God of justice.

An act of justice is an act of intervention for the helpless, an act of defense for those who are too weak to defend themselves. In foretelling the Messiah, Psalm 72 says, "Justice shall flower in his days . . . for he shall rescue the poor man when he cries out and the afflicted when he has no one to help him" (Psalms 72:7, 12). Jesus Christ is our justice (1 Corinthians 1:30) because He rescued us from sin and death when we had none to help (see Romans 5:6, Ephesians 2:45).

If God does justice for His people, He expects His people to do justice for one another. "Be merciful as your heavenly Father is merciful" (Luke 6:36). "Go and do likewise" (Luke 10:37). "Do unto others as you would have them do to you" (Matthew 7:12). "Love one another" (John 15:17).

Abortion is the opposite of these teachings. It is a reversal of justice. It is a destruction of the helpless rather than a rescue of them. If God's people do not intervene to save those whose lives are attacked, then the people are not pleasing or worshiping Him.

God says through Isaiah, "Trample my courts no more! Bring no more worthless offerings . . . Your festivals I detest . . . When you spread out your hands, I close my eyes to you; though you pray the more, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood! Wash yourselves clean . . . learn to do good. Make justice your aim: redress the wronged, hear the orphan's plea, defend the widow" (Isaiah 1:13-17).

Indeed, those who worship God but support abortion are falling into the same contradiction as God's people of old, and need to hear the same message.

6. Jesus Christ paid special attention to the poor, the despised, and those whom the rest of society considered insignificant.

He broke down the false barriers that people set up among themselves, and instead acknowledged the equal human dignity of every individual, despite what common opinion might say. Hence we see Him reach out to children despite the efforts of the apostles to keep them away (Matthew 19:13-15); to tax collectors and sinners despite the objections of the Scribes (Mark 2:16); to the blind despite the warnings of the crowd (Matthew 20:29-34); to a foreign woman despite the utter surprise of the disciples and of the woman herself (John 4:9, 27); to Gentiles despite the anger of the Jews (Matthew 21:41-46); and to the lepers, despite their isolation from the rest of society (Luke 17:11-19).

When it comes to human dignity, Christ erases distinctions. St. Paul declares, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave or free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28).

We can likewise say, "There is neither born nor unborn." Using this distinction as a basis for the value of life or the protection one deserves is meaningless and offensive to all that Scripture teaches. The unborn are the segment of our society which is most neglected and discriminated against. Christ Himself surely has a special love for them.

7. Scripture teaches us to love.

St. John says, "This is the message you have heard from the beginning: we should love one another, unlike Cain who belonged to the evil one and slaughtered his brother" (1 John 3:11-12). Love is directly contrasted with slaughter. To take the life of another is to break the command of love. To fail to help those in need and danger is also to fail to love.

Christ teaches this clearly in the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37), in the story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), and in many other places.

No group of people is in more serious danger than the boys and girls in the womb. "If someone . . . sees a brother in need and refuses him compassion, how can the love of God remain in Him?" (1 John 3:17).

8. Life is victorious over death.

This is one of Scripture's most basic themes. The victory of life is foretold in the promise that the head of the serpent, through whom death entered the world, would be crushed (see Genesis 3:15).

Isaiah promised, "He will destroy death forever" (Isaiah 25:8). At the scene of the first murder, the soil "opened its mouth" to swallow Abel's blood. At the scene of the final victory of life, it is death itself that "will be swallowed up in victory. Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting? . . . Thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 15:54-57).

Abortion is death. Christ came to conquer death, and therefore abortion. "I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full" (John 10:10). The final outcome of the battle for life has already been decided by the Resurrection of Christ. It is up to us to spread that victory to every person. The pro-life movement is moving from the victory Christ won to the fullness of that victory on the last day. "There shall be no more death" (Revelation 21:4). "Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!" (Revelation 22:20).

Source

Also see these articles (links):
Scientific American: Scientists Discover Children’s Cells Living in Mothers’ Brains
Smithsonian: Baby’s Cells Can Manipulate Mom’s Body for Decades
 
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The money used, according to the book "Dictator Pope", was from the Peter's Pence fund, which is contributed to by every parish in the world.

If this is true, is it a misuse of this fund? Does it constitute an attempt to influence the politics of the United States, as Russia is being accused of?

Over a couple of years, I've been made aware of several second collection recipients who do things that are manifestly against the Church's doctrine, like providing money to organizations which promote abortion and birth control. When I become aware of these, I tend to no longer donate to those second collections.
On another note, though, why would the Vatican be favoring one Presidential campaign over another, especially when that candidate is known to be anti-life?

If that happened in the United States, the church would likely lose their non-profit status.
 
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I think they gave the money to Clinton if they did it was because Progressives are more concerned about the plight of the poor, equal education and healthcare for all. This is the way of Christianity but to a Pure Capitalist it is Communism.
 
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