What is your education level?

What is your highest level of education completed?

  • Some High School

  • High School/GED

  • Some College

  • Associate's Degree

  • Bachelor's

  • Some Grad School

  • Master's

  • Doctorate-level (PhD/MD/DDS/JD/etc.)


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Well, I have some college, but when I say some I mean I went for a four year degree and have more than enough credits for an associate's but failed to complete my bachelor's so I put some college ( even though usually that tends to mean that the person did not earn enough college credits for a degree at all.
 
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Well, I went beyond a Bachelor's degree (not saying how beyond) and I would rather not know how much formal education a person has when I'm speaking with them. Having a piece of paper or taking a class doesn't mean one knows any more than those who have not taken that road.
 
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I don't know how to answer it really. I was homeschooled and finished "high school" so to speak. But I did have a certificate for Microsoft Office. And while I don't have any degrees, I do know alot thanks to the much deeper education I got being homeschooled. Granted a company is only going to care about an actual piece of paper saying I have a degree. Which is hard when you know more then "degreed" people and yet they get hired over a piece of paper.
 
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I grajeated the 3rd grade, wher I lurnt to cipher numbers.

But seriously, glad I never wasted money on college. I make a comfortable living and have to be outside, not behind a desk.
 
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I flunked out of the third grade and never looked back. Public education is more like indoctrination. I now have a doctorate in streets smart and common sense...
 
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M.D. But I don't have a bachelor's degree. Back in the 70s, most med schools required applicants only to have completed something like 90 credit hours of college, which must include pre-med courses like biology, inorganic and organic chemistry, and physics. Which I had done. So I applied mid-way through my junior year of college, and was accepted to the class starting in the fall. Officially, I'm considered a college drop-out. But I saved a year of my life (medical training is already long enough.) And--even though education wasn't nearly as expensive as it is now--I saved a fair amount of money.
 
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M.D. But I don't have a bachelor's degree. Back in the 70s, most med schools required applicants only to have completed something like 90 credit hours of college, which must include pre-med courses like biology, inorganic and organic chemistry, and physics. Which I had done. So I applied mid-way through my junior year of college, and was accepted to the class starting in the fall. Officially, I'm considered a college drop-out. But I saved a year of my life (medical training is already long enough.) And--even though education wasn't nearly as expensive as it is now--I saved a fair amount of money.
I don't understand the impetus to premed. Medical school is long enough as is, and does it really change anything? It doesn't seem as if premed need be anything medically related, so why on earth do it?

My country doesn't expect a premed. We have six years of medical school, followed by a 2 year internship and 2 year community service. So it takes 10 years to be registered as a plain general practitioner or medical officer. The first two years of medical school partially incorporates study of Chemistry, Physics, Biology and Sociology in general and a little Greek and Latin for medical nomenclature though.

I hold an MBChB which is roughly equivalent of an MD, and I am registered to practice Medicine as such in Canada. I have an additional qualification in Anaesthesia, although I am still in the process of becoming a full fellow of the College, which entails doing an MMed.
 
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M.D. But I don't have a bachelor's degree...

Interesting. I didn't know that. Things have changed I guess. When I first started working, there were engineers without college degrees as well.

I don't understand the impetus to premed.

Honestly, part of it is a way to make money. And it's a way to employ people whose knowledge isn't otherwise all that useful (which is not as derogatory a comment as it probably appears to be).

But, there are some reasons - even if it's gotten a little extreme (my son is trying to push through nursing school right now). In my engineering program the professors were pretty honest that the entry-level courses were intended to test your mettle more than teach anything. They weren't going to be bothered with people who couldn't prove they could make it.

So, it fosters growth and maturity. It teaches a work ethic and learning habits that too many people don't get from primary and high school. If you use the time wisely (taking classes that actually apply to medicine) it introduces you to the paradigm of your future profession. As much as people seem to think the scientific method is some grand, all-encompassing, answers-to-all-problems entity, each profession built on the scientific foundation has its own paradigm for solving problems.

My son makes frequent comments that I need to stop approaching biology like an engineer.
 
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Interesting. I didn't know that. Things have changed I guess. When I first started working, there were engineers without college degrees as well.



Honestly, part of it is a way to make money. And it's a way to employ people whose knowledge isn't otherwise all that useful (which is not as derogatory a comment as it probably appears to be).

But, there are some reasons - even if it's gotten a little extreme (my son is trying to push through nursing school right now). In my engineering program the professors were pretty honest that the entry-level courses were intended to test your mettle more than teach anything. They weren't going to be bothered with people who couldn't prove they could make it.

So, it fosters growth and maturity. It teaches a work ethic and learning habits that too many people don't get from primary and high school. If you use the time wisely (taking classes that actually apply to medicine) it introduces you to the paradigm of your future profession. As much as people seem to think the scientific method is some grand, all-encompassing, answers-to-all-problems entity, each profession built on the scientific foundation has its own paradigm for solving problems.

My son makes frequent comments that I need to stop approaching biology like an engineer.
Well, to be fair, Modern Medicine functions by Evidence Based Medicine (EBM). EBM is arguably not scientific at all, although a form of Empiricism. This is largely forced by the nature of Medical Ethics, that studies with negative outcomes can never be ethically repeated, and thus all are treated as non-falsifiable. Each study is treated as a non-repeatable piece of data. The studies are then given different Evidence classes, essentially graded as to worth, and plugged into arcane statistical analyses to determine which conclusion should be given more weight and has a better confidence interval - thus which result can then be treated as best practice. In the classic Popper-style paradigm, EBM is non-falsiable, non-repeatable and this is in fact why it is called Evidence-Based and not Scientific Medicine. My medical school always said Medicine was more of an art than a science.

Here is an interesting piece on it. I also have some articles from the AMA on the difference between Science and Medicine if you are interested.

Medicine: Science or Art?
 
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Here is an interesting piece on it. I also have some articles from the AMA on the difference between Science and Medicine if you are interested.

Medicine: Science or Art?

I only skimmed it, but the link has some interesting information. In the end I would agree with their statement that it is both art and science. I tend to fight for the middle with engineering as well. In my engineering career I have worked projects that definitely applied the scientific method - researched new ideas - formed new theories. But not everything is science. For example, history is not science.

In that regard, medicine is a better example, and your link bears it out. Researching a new drug would, IMO, count as science. But the effect of a good bedside manner on the patient and the best 'method' for employing it is an art.
 
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