The Psychology of the Devil.

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Indeed and that is after the events John spoke about so your statement is null and void. Beside Jesus already destroyed that by dying and destroyed the works of your fallen angel.
The point was that John called the devil that old serpent. Who is the old serpent. He is the one who was here in Genesis 3. Genesis 3 is not in the future. And yes, Jesus did destroy the works of the devil, but the devil hasn't yet been cast into the lake of fire. He's still here for now. And, he's NOT MY fallen angel. I want nothing to do with him.
 
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See my hands and feet, a Spirit has not flesh and bones as you see me have.
Yes, Jesus is God manifested in the flesh! (Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.)
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

But Jesus was here from the beginning. Jesus didn't begin to exist when He was born. He isn't just a man. Jesus is God, who has always existed.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 44:6
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel,
and his redeemer the Lord of hosts;
I am the first, and I am the last;
and beside me there is no God.
(God is the first and the last.)
Revelation 2
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
(Jesus is the first and the last.)
 
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So then you have reason to believe that Jesus was a liar? What would this reason be? If you don't see such proof in your own life, if that's what you mean, have you ever practiced what He taught? How would you know in your own life if Jesus is true if you never do what He says?
As for following Buddha's way, what is it meditation? I know meditation can reduce stress. This isn't some secret. The Bible talks about meditation also. It says to meditate on God, and on His word.
I cannot say if Jesus was a liar, because I never met him or witnessed his acts or claims. I followed the Christian path for 30+ years, and I never found proof for any of that.

The Buddha's Way does not only involve meditation (that is a common misconception). It involves the whole of the Eightfold Path, of which meditation is one part, and a very specific type of meditation at that - jhana - unrelated to the Bible's type of meditation.

As for what Jesus did for me personally, He made me know the depths of my sins, and I became afraid of the consequences of them. Then He let me know what He did for me on the cross to eradicate those sins forever so that I would be forgiven of them. And when I really focused on what He did for me, I was overwhelmed and began weeping, and I asked Him why He would do that for me. I cried out loud asking Him that. And He spoke to my spirit and said, "Because I love you." And of course that made me cry even more.
I know that everything He said is true, not only because He is God manifest in the flesh, and can't lie, and proved everything He said by His works, (most especially His resurrection from the dead, which no one else has ever done), but because He did it personally for me, and spoke to me Himself. He has spoken to me many times since then also. I actually know Him, and He actually knows me. And I know with my whole heart that I will be with Him forever. And it has nothing to do with me deserving it, but because of what He did for me, because He loves me.
I know that God loves me, and I know that He gave his Son for me, and He caused me to believe on Him, and I know I won't perish, but I will have everlasting life. He told me Himself.
I am glad you personally received proof - I can't say that I have received such proof.

Eternal life is not the root concern for me, so the promise of eternal life is an irrelevant issue in my eyes.
 
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Yes, Jesus is God manifested in the flesh! (Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.)
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Right received up to glory after being dead 3 days.
 
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Jesus was not in heaven until after his resurrection so you theory is null and void


Sorry ,your nonsense about anything Biblical is pure hogwash...you have no idea what is in The Book..find another book to criticize.....perhaps “Green Eggs and Ham”. YOU are “ null and void “. People in here tend to really know their Bibles. If you have a shred of dignity,please leave before you embarrass yourself further. Merry Christmas!
 
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Sorry ,your nonsense about anything Biblical is pure hogwash...you have no idea what is in The Book..find another book to criticize.....perhaps “Green Eggs and Ham”. YOU are “ null and void “. People in here tend to really know their Bibles. If you have a shred of dignity,please leave before you embarrass yourself further. Merry Christmas!
It is against forum rules to make attacking statements or fun of posters. Please address what was posted unless you do not know your Bible. John Wycliff translates the word devil as fiend an enemy or foe
 
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Are you trying to say that Jesus isn't God, and that He hasn't always existed? The Bible defies that. Even the one I just posted.
Are you trying to say Jesus was not dead and did not have any need to resurrected? P.S. this thread is about the devil not about Christ
 
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So then you have reason to believe that Jesus was a liar?
Not a liar. But the story that was passed on orally and than finally written down was pinned through the lens of a particular belief and may not have been said by Jesus at all.
 
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It is against forum rules to make attacking statements or fun of posters. Please address what was posted unless you do not know your Bible. John Wycliff translates the word devil as fiend an enemy or foe



Wycliffe was correct about “ A “ devil.....I thought we were discussing “THE “ devil . The difference is this....General Patton was in the army,so was the soldier he slapped....one had much greater POWER.....that is why Satan is the chief devil,he was given enormous power from God....sorry if I got personal....sometimes I get carried away.
 
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Wycliffe was correct about “ A “ devil.....I thought we were discussing “THE “ devil . The difference is this....General Patton was in the army,so was the soldier he slapped....one had much greater POWER.....that is why Satan is the chief devil,he was given enormous power from God....sorry if I got personal....sometimes I get carried away.
Wrong the adversary only had limited power and in Job that was to tempt him but not to kill or hurt him. Job1:12 and don'
Forget Job said "for the hand of God has touched me."
 
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Are you trying to say Jesus was not dead and did not have any need to resurrected? P.S. this thread is about the devil not about Christ
Yes He died on the cross. I have said that quite a few times in this thread alone. And yes He raised Himself from the dead. You said that He didn't go to Heaven until after His resurrection. But that's where He came from in the first place.
Revelation 2
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
John 8:23
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
 
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Are you trying to say Jesus was not dead and did not have any need to resurrected? P.S. this thread is about the devil not about Christ
And this thread is about the fact that the devil tries to keep us away from Christ. Besides, it's a Christian forum. Do you expect Him not to be mentioned?
 
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Not a liar. But the story that was passed on orally and than finally written down was pinned through the lens of a particular belief and may not have been said by Jesus at all.
Well why do you believe what you believe? Did someone tell you about those things before you believed it? Is it written in a scripture? Whether you learned it orally or by scripture, how do you know that what you learned is true? This could be said about any scripture or teaching, and therefore it isn't a good reason not to believe. (Or else it's a good reason not to believe anything from any scriptures.)
But as for Jesus' disciples writing the account of His resurrection and etc based on a particular belief, why would they have that belief if He hadn't taught it? And as far as the resurrection in particular, they didn't believe that He was going to rise again, even though He told them repeatedly.
Here's just a couple examples of that.
John 20:25
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Luke 24
13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? 18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. 22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; 23 and when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive. 24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not. 25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Sorry for that one being long. It just kind of needs to be in context to get the gist of it.

So they didn't have an expectation of Jesus rising from the dead. They are all distraught, thinking that was still dead. And even when He prophesied His own death and resurrection, they didn't understand.
Mark 9:30-32
30 And they departed thence, and passed through Galilee; and he would not that any man should know it. 31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. 32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.
Luke 18:32-34
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: 33 and they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. 34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

And when the angel told them, he had to remind them of what Jesus told them, and then they remembered.
Luke 24:6-9
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, 7 saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again. 8 And they remembered his words, 9 and returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.

And not to mention all the tortures and death that His disciples willingly endured, and not only them, but thousands of others who were saved afterwards.

You could say it would be a blessing to have seen Jesus after His resurrection.And I'm sure those who did felt that way. But Jesus said that those who didn't see Him and still believed were the ones who were really blessed.
John 20:26-30
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
 
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I cannot say if Jesus was a liar, because I never met him or witnessed his acts or claims. I followed the Christian path for 30+ years, and I never found proof for any of that.
What do you see the Christian path as being? In what way did you follow that path?
(And I'm sorry for only mentioning meditation. I know there's more to it than that. I was just trying to show that the Bible commends meditation too, but on God's word instead.)
 
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Wrong the adversary only had limited power and in Job that was to tempt him but not to kill or hurt him. Job1:12 and don'
Forget Job said "for the hand of God has touched me."


God keeps Satan on a leash.....Satan has no power that compares to Gods power.....but he still has tons of it and we are are no match for him
 
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Well why shouldn't you?

Probably the same reason you don't accept the Koran, The Five Invasions of Ireland, or unicorns living on Jupiter. There's no compelling reason why I should

Why do you accept what you do accept?

Because I have personal experiences with another religion. Before I had those experiences, I did not subscribe to any religion.

You asked what the criteria was for knowing the gospel. I answered originally that the criteria is the Word of God.

Right. We should believe the gospel because that's what the gospel says. That reason shouldn't convince anyone of anything.
 
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Well why do you believe what you believe?
Why? Because when I see the Divine Spark in others as well as with in all of Creation, I know for certain that there is something going on that is not bound by any religion or spiritual belief. And having tasted that Divine Spark and tried God, my soul has no other choice but to Love my Beloved!

[But as for Jesus' disciples writing the account of His resurrection and etc based on a particular belief, why would they have that belief if He hadn't taught it? And as far as the resurrection in particular, they didn't believe that He was going to rise again, even though He told them repeatedly.
Here's just a couple examples of that.
For myself, those are just a couple of examples of the oral traditions that developed and written down by others who wrote through the lens of that particular religious trajectory that developed over time. That's not uncommon for those in the religious world to do.
 
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What do you see the Christian path as being? In what way did you follow that path? (And I'm sorry for only mentioning meditation. I know there's more to it than that. I was just trying to show that the Bible commends meditation too, but on God's word instead.)
I followed the moderate/conservative Protestant Christian traditions - faith in Christ, with a life expressive of love, prayer, and meditation on the Christian scriptures. I was also active in the faith as a teacher for both children and adults, including leading an apologetics class.
 
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Probably the same reason you don't accept the Koran, The Five Invasions of Ireland, or unicorns living on Jupiter. There's no compelling reason why I should



Because I have personal experiences with another religion. Before I had those experiences, I did not subscribe to any religion.



Right. We should believe the gospel because that's what the gospel says. That reason shouldn't convince anyone of anything.


What are the five invasions? I believe in unicorns,but not Jupiter....I mean,as long as we can make up anything we want—-why not?
 
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