Are you bound by the Mosaic Laws or Rabbinic Judaism?

[visionary]

Tomatoes are fatal,or cause severe reactions for some people.
Apples also, and several others, btw.


Who did not know ?
Many have learned and pass on the knowledge.
Can YHWH teach anyone ?

Did YHWH see any one even of the Israelites eat a poison in the wilderness, or in Egypt before then, or in the Promised Land after then ?
Was His hand short, or His Promise Fail, when He Said He would Protect them and would send none of the illnesses that fall on thousands around them upon them ? (maybe with conditions, in His Word, of course)

I believe it is Monsanto creations that cause these fatal and severe reactions in some people.

 

[Lulav]

I believe it is Monsanto creations that cause these fatal and severe reactions in some people.

Tomatoes are part of the nightshade family so I think have been poisonous for a long time. It wasn't until I think a few hundred years ago they started eating the fruit of the plant in Italy and realized that it was the green parts that were poisonous. Same with potatoes.

Apples are fine but the seed does contain cyanide and in the pits of peaches hides a similar compound. Bitter Almonds and apricots also contain the same in the pits.

 

[CherubRam]

Tomatoes are part of the nightshade family so I think have been poisonous for a long time. It wasn't until I think a few hundred years ago they started eating the fruit of the plant in Italy and realized that it was the green parts that were poisonous. Same with potatoes.

Apples are fine but the seed does contain cyanide and in the pits of peaches hides a similar compound. Bitter Almonds and apricots also contain the same in the pits.

The leaves of the tomatoes and potatoes are poisonous.

 

[CherubRam]

The "Mosaic Laws" are YHWH's Laws given through Moses. Since we must obey the two greatest commandments of the "Mosaic Law", then what other laws given through Moses do we need to obey? What about the "Ten Commandments/Ten Words"? The New Covenant Scriptures certainly teach we are to obey nine of those ten. I believe they teach us to obey all Ten. What about a lesser command through Moses such as not moving our neighbors boundary marker? Are we free to do that under the New Covenant? If not, then it would behoove us to know exactly what commands given through Moses we are to obey. One cannot simply say the entire Mosaic Law is abolished, but then continue to keep many of those laws.

Are the Mosaic laws that govern the sacrifices and Festivals separate from God's commandments?

Are you saying that sacrifices and the Festivals remain as part of the New Covenant?

I was reading this, written by a Rabbi many years ago.

In the future all sacrifices, with the exception of the Thanksgiving-sacrifice, will be discontinued.
(Midrash Vayikra Rabbah 9:7)


And that all sacrifices will be annulled in the future.
(Tanchuma Emor 19, Vayikra Rabbah 9:7)

Thoughts?

There is no accepted authoritative answer within Judaism as to which mitzvot, if any, would be annulled.

Most mitzvot will no longer be in force.
(Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Niddah 61b and Tractate Shabbat 151b)

What made ancient Rabbi's think sacrifices and Festivals would be done away with?

Perhaps we could get back to the thread now.

 

[Soyeong]

Are you bound by the Mosaic Laws or Rabbinic Judaism? Are the Mosaic Laws and the New Covenant irreconcilable with each other? Are people looking for a Jewish identity in the New Covenant with Yahshua the Messiah?

What is Messianic Judaism all about?

Straightforwardly, Messianic Judaism is about walking in the way of the Jewish Messiah in accordance with his commands, and as such, we are bound by the Mosaic Law. It can be useful to study Rabbinic Judaism in order better understand the cultural context of the Bible, but God's Word is the highest authority, so we need to check everything they teach against it to see if it is in accordance with it. In Acts 17:11, the Bereans were praised because they diligently tested everything Paul said against OT Scriptures to see if what he said was true. The NT authors quoted or alluded to the OT thousands of times in order to establish that it supported what they said that that they did not depart from it to the right or to the left.

There are many verses that say that the Mosaic Law is for our own good to teach us how to walk in God's ways such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, so the Law is not about how to act like a Jew, but rather it is God's instructions for how to reflect His attributes to the world, such holiness, righteousness, goodness (Romans 7:12), justice, mercy, faithfulness (Matthew 23:23), love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self-control (Exodus 36:6-7, Galatians 5:21-23). So while we are not under the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless till under the same God, who has the same ways, and therefore the same instructions for how to walk in His ways, and as such there is no difference between the laws of the Mosaic Covenant or the New Covenant, especially because the New Covenant involves God writing this same Law on our hearts so that we will obey it (Jeremiah 31:33).

To give another example, in 1 Peter 1:13-16, it says that we are to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, such as Leviticus 11:44-45, so refraining from eating unclean animals is not about acting like a Jew, but rather it is about acting in accordance with the eternal holiness of our God and reflecting His holiness to the world. Jews have the the God-give role of being a light to the world, to teach the nations about God and how to walk in His ways (Isaiah 2:2-3, Isaiah 49:6, Deuteronomy 4:5-8), so the Law was given to the Jews for the purpose that they would be a blessing to the nations by teaching them how to obey it, and the reason why the Gospel always went out to the Jew first and then to the nations was so that they could fulfill this role. So again, it's not about identifying with Jews, but about identifying with God.

 

[Soyeong]

Are you saying that sacrifices and the Festivals remain as part of the New Covenant?

In Acts 18:18, Paul took a vow involving shaving his head, which would have been a Nazarite vow (Numbers 6), and in Acts 21:20-24, Paul was on his way to pay for the expenses of others who had undertaken a similar vow, so offerings did not cease with the New Covenant, but rather they only ceases because of the destruction of the temple. However, the Bible prophesies a time when a 3rd temple will be built and when offerings will resume (Ezekiel 44-46). Another example is that in Daniel 9:27, the antichrist will put a stop to the daily offerings, so we know that the daily offerings will resume between then now and then. In Hebrews 8:4, it speaks about offering still being done in accordance with the Law, so it was still in full effect. Furthermore, if it were not in full effect, then it would have no power to prevent Messiah from being a priest if he were still on earth. The Law instructs how to act in accordance with the attributes of God, so no part of the Law has been done away with any more than we can do away with the attributes of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I believe it is *M&nsnt* creations that cause these fatal and severe reactions in some people.

Yes, very much so, (same with *v&ccn&s*, btw) with most disease today, in many areas,

but it might be a good idea to alter the speltink in order that it is less 'noticable' / not found as fast, by the internet search engines (sphyders, harvesters, crawlers, etc) that they use to "police" and to "censor" the internet,
and so forth and so on.... (yes, for real, every day)....

 

[Soyeong]

I was reading this, written by a Rabbi many years ago.

In the future all sacrifices, with the exception of the Thanksgiving-sacrifice, will be discontinued.
(Midrash Vayikra Rabbah 9:7)


And that all sacrifices will be annulled in the future.
(Tanchuma Emor 19, Vayikra Rabbah 9:7)

Thoughts?

Upon the destruction of the temple, non-believing Jews were faced with a rather large problem in that atonement was no longer being made for the sins of the people in the temple on the Day of Atonement. So they were forced to come up with a replacement or a reason why that was no longer necessary, but whether that was based upon anything God had said is a different story.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Apples are fine but the seed does contain cyanide and in the pits of peaches hides a similar compound. Bitter Almonds and apricots also contain the same in the pits.

It is called vitamin B17 in Russia and some other parts of the world,
and by the doctors who have studied it.

GOOD , and GOOD for PEOPLE. the natives in panama and other central ammerican countries eat the seeds with the fruit, and almost never get (in the past, until recently) cancer. the cycanide is bound in the fruit , and is totally HARMLESS to a persons health, until it is in touch with a cancer cell, at which point an enzyme type releases the bond holding the cyanide harmless, and kills the cancer cell immediately. This was known world wide from about 1920, thru today, and was one of the first and most effective treatments worldwide published against all cancers. "World Without Cancer" was published with the realization that with natural treatments cancer would be again gone from the world,
but the money makers decided to oppose it, and publically defeated it in the minds of the people who they had control over. This was done again, and again, and again, profit motivated, since about the 2nd world war, and federal laws were developed to oppose the Christians, and false medical studies ever since the 2nd world war have been used to try to discredit what Christians knew and proved.

 

[Soyeong]

I will not address your question directly, but rather, I recall a set of papers given to me years ago by a devout Christian. She got the papers from another Christian, possibly a doctor or nurse. Anyway, the thrust of the papers was that Christians should follow the Old Testament dietary laws, not for religious reasons, but because it would improve one's health and well being. Apparently all or most of the Old Testament admonitions on which foods to eat really do make sense from a medical point of view.

Indeed, there are night and day difference between the toxicity of clean and unclean animals, mostly due to the fact that unclean animals tend to be predators or scavengers or due to the animal's ability to expel toxins. Still, according to 1 Peter 1:13-16 and Leviticus 11:44-45, refraining from eating unclean animals is about acting in accordance with the holiness of our God, so the health benefits is only part of the reason why we should eat kashrut. I recommend this video if you're interest in the science behind it:

 

[Soyeong]

You surely remember my picture of this, posting for others who haven't seen it.

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Please note that I have put #5 in both the first column and second column. I believe it goes in the first as G-d is our Father not our neighbor and neither are the parents he gave us.

By
'hanging off' I believe Yeshua was saying that all the rest of Torah, and what the prophets taught can all be filed under one of the ten, those are basically headings for the laws, precepts, commandments. etc.

I think that the first five of the Ten Commandments are in regard to our relationship with our creators or the people who are vertically above us while the last five are in regard to our horizontal relationships with our neighbors, so I would agree with putting the fifth command in the first column. I also think that commands 1-5 parallel commands 6-10, so each pair of commands is in regard to the same issue, but takes a different form because of the different form of relationship.

 

[SteveCaruso]

ישׁוע = Yahshua in the Aramaic. Y(ah)(sh)ua.

There are zero Aramaic languages or dialects where the first vowel is an "a".

It's "Yeshua".

 

[CherubRam]

There are zero Aramaic languages or dialects where the first vowel is an "a".

It's "Yeshua".

Early Aramaic and Hebrew vowels

The early Aramaic and Hebrew vowel system is reconstructed as a o i u



Summary

The following charts summarize the most common reflexes of the Proto-Semitic vowels in the various stages of Hebrew:

Proto-Semitic: a, i, u.

Proto-Hebrew: a, o, i, u.

Secunda: a, o, i, u.

Tiberian: ɔ, o, i, u.

Babylonian: ɔ, o, i, u.

Palestinian: a, o, i, u.

Samaritan: ( a, ɒ,) u, ( e, i,) (o, u.)



The vowel “a” is pronounced, “ah.” The “u” is pronounced “ow or uw.” And the Ayin is pronounced “ah.”

Yahwah: יהוה

Yashua: ישוע


Some scholars argue that there are too many vowels in some Hebrew words.

 

[CherubRam]

Oldest Hebrew Vowels


The oldest method used for Hebrew vowels is the vowel-letters י ן א and also ה ע . The employment of vowel-letters was a gradual development. They were first used sparingly to denote final vowels. (Mesha Stone, and Phoenician inscriptions. 950 to 750 BC)

 

[CherubRam]

Arabic and Aramaic are similar but not the same.

 

[CherubRam]

Straightforwardly, Messianic Judaism is about walking in the way of the Jewish Messiah in accordance with his commands, and as such, we are bound by the Mosaic Law. It can be useful to study Rabbinic Judaism in order better understand the cultural context of the Bible, but God's Word is the highest authority, so we need to check everything they teach against it to see if it is in accordance with it. In Acts 17:11, the Bereans were praised because they diligently tested everything Paul said against OT Scriptures to see if what he said was true. The NT authors quoted or alluded to the OT thousands of times in order to establish that it supported what they said that that they did not depart from it to the right or to the left.

There are many verses that say that the Mosaic Law is for our own good to teach us how to walk in God's ways such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13, so the Law is not about how to act like a Jew, but rather it is God's instructions for how to reflect His attributes to the world, such holiness, righteousness, goodness (Romans 7:12), justice, mercy, faithfulness (Matthew 23:23), love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self-control (Exodus 36:6-7, Galatians 5:21-23). So while we are not under the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless till under the same God, who has the same ways, and therefore the same instructions for how to walk in His ways, and as such there is no difference between the laws of the Mosaic Covenant or the New Covenant, especially because the New Covenant involves God writing this same Law on our hearts so that we will obey it (Jeremiah 31:33).

To give another example, in 1 Peter 1:13-16, it says that we are to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, such as Leviticus 11:44-45, so refraining from eating unclean animals is not about acting like a Jew, but rather it is about acting in accordance with the eternal holiness of our God and reflecting His holiness to the world. Jews have the the God-give role of being a light to the world, to teach the nations about God and how to walk in His ways (Isaiah 2:2-3, Isaiah 49:6, Deuteronomy 4:5-8), so the Law was given to the Jews for the purpose that they would be a blessing to the nations by teaching them how to obey it, and the reason why the Gospel always went out to the Jew first and then to the nations was so that they could fulfill this role. So again, it's not about identifying with Jews, but about identifying with God.

You say that everything is the same in the New Covenant. Here God says that it will not be the same. Thoughts?


Jeremiah 31:32
It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord.

 

[SteveCaruso]

The oldest method used for Hebrew vowels is the vowel-letters י ן א and also ה ע . The employment of vowel-letters was a gradual development. They were first used sparingly to denote final vowels. (Mesha Stone, and Phoenician inscriptions. 950 to 750 BC)

Ok, so we've once again established that you can copy-paste serious typos (nun isn't a vowel). ;-)

None of what you benightedly plagiarized changes the fact that there are zero Aramaic languages where the first vowel of ישוע is a-class, and that the contemporary pronunciation of ישוע in Jesus' time is well established as "Yeshua."

 

[CherubRam]

Ok, so we've once again established that you can copy-paste serious typos (nun isn't a vowel). ;-)

None of what you benightedly plagiarized changes the fact that there are zero Aramaic languages where the first vowel of ישוע is a-class, and that the contemporary pronunciation of ישוע in Jesus' time is well established as "Yeshua."

Here, you figure it out:

http://adath-shalom.ca/history_of_hebrew.htm

 

[HARK!]

The healthy thing does not make sense to me. If it concerned health then poisonous plants would have been included.

(CLV) Gn 1:29
And Elohim said: Since I have given you all seed-yielding herbage that is on the face of the entire earth, and every tree on which there is the fruit of a seed-yielding tree, it shall be yours for food.

Any plant can be poisonous if eaten to the point of gluttony. YHWH gave us all of these plants for food, as it is written; but he commands us not to abuse this food.


(CLV) Dt 21:20
They will say to the elders of his city: This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He is not hearkening to our voice. He is a glutton and carouser.

(CLV) Dt 21:21
Then all the men of his city will pelt him with stones so that he dies. Thus you will take out the evil from among you, and all Israel, they shall hear and fear.

 

[CherubRam]

Ok, so we've once again established that you can copy-paste serious typos (nun isn't a vowel). ;-)

None of what you benightedly plagiarized changes the fact that there are zero Aramaic languages where the first vowel of ישוע is a-class, and that the contemporary pronunciation of ישוע in Jesus' time is well established as "Yeshua."

In both biblical and rabbinic Hebrew, the letters י‬ ו‬ ה‬ א‬ are also used as matres lectionis (the use of certain consonants to indicate a vowel) to represent vowels.