Are you bound by the Mosaic Laws or Rabbinic Judaism?

[CherubRam]

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[visionary]

I am bound by the ten, guided by the rest and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Lulav]

No. The Festivals definitely remain, especially those that have not been fulfilled. A shadow cannot be fulfilled until the reality comes. The sacrifices/offerings have been fulfilled by Yeshua.

There were sacrifices and offerings for different things. Not all were what Yeshua fulfilled.

The word translated as either sacrifice or offering is Korban.

It does not mean what most think it means. The Hebrew comes from a root that means to 'draw near'. This shows the meaning of these to bring us closer to G-d.

We do not offer them today as written because the temple is not there and that is the place G-d choose for the sacrifices and offerings to be made. This also includes the ones that were to be made on the feasts.

The drawing near today can be seen from what Yeshua said as well as the prophet.

Hoshea: For I desire steadfast love (mercy) and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

In Matthew 9 Yeshua references this by saying

"Now go and learn the meaning of this Scripture: 'I want you to show mercy, not offer sacrifices.' For I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners."

 

[Lulav]

I was not separating them from the moral law.. I was identifying them in relationship to the moral law upon which all other laws hang.
Matthew 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

You surely remember my picture of this, posting for others who haven't seen it.

Please note that I have put #5 in both the first column and second column. I believe it goes in the first as G-d is our Father not our neighbor and neither are the parents he gave us.

By
'hanging off' I believe Yeshua was saying that all the rest of Torah, and what the prophets taught can all be filed under one of the ten, those are basically headings for the laws, precepts, commandments. etc.

 

[pat34lee]

Are you bound by the Mosaic Laws or Rabbinic Judaism? Are the Mosaic Laws and the New Covenant irreconcilable with each other? Are people looking for a Jewish identity in the New Covenant with Yahshua the Messiah?

What is Messianic Judaism all about?

Bound is not a good term for this, but there
are consequences for not obeying his word.

Should we take God's instructions to heart?
Of course. Our creator knows what is best.

Jewish identity, no. Judaism is only partially
biblical, which is why I prefer just Messianic
or Hebrew Roots.

 

[pat34lee]

I will not address your question directly, but rather, I recall a set of papers given to me years ago by a devout Christian. She got the papers from another Christian, possibly a doctor or nurse. Anyway, the thrust of the papers was that Christians should follow the Old Testament dietary laws, not for religious reasons, but because it would improve one's health and well being. Apparently all or most of the Old Testament admonitions on which foods to eat really do make sense from a medical point of view.

Most were likely given to keep the Hebrews healthy,
while others kept them from idolatry and other sin.
Christians should know that the one who created us
would tell us how to keep us healthy.

 

[HARK!]

What is Messianic Judaism all about?

Shabbat Shalom.

It is about love and submission to Yahweh.

(CLV) 1Jn 2:23
Everyone who is disowning the Son, neither has the Father. He who is avowing the Son has the Father also.

This means accepting Yahshua as our Mashiach.

If we accept Yahshua as our King, and High Priest; we must also be in subjection to Yahshua.

What does this mean? Let's see what Yahshua says. Here are just a few examples:

(CLV) Mt 19:17
Yet He said to him, "Why are you asking Me concerning good? One is good. Yet if you are wanting to be entering into life, keep the precepts."

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

(CLV) Jn 13:15
For an example have I given you, that, according as I do to you, you also may be doing.

(CLV) Jn 21:19
Now this He said, signifying by what death he will be glorifying God. And saying this, He is saying to him, "Follow Me!"

 

[CherubRam]

ישׁוע = Yahshua in the Aramaic. Y(ah)(sh)ua.

ישׁוע / The yod alone can stand for the name Yah in a word.

People want to say (Yeshua / y'shua) by dropping their ayins. They think it makes them sound Jewish. Lol. The scribes also dropped the H in writing God's name so that it would not be pronounced.

Yah/wah
Yah/shua

 

[ralliann]

The "Mosaic Laws" are YHWH's Laws given through Moses. Since we must obey the two greatest commandments of the "Mosaic Law", then what other laws given through Moses do we need to obey? What about the "Ten Commandments/Ten Words"? The New Covenant Scriptures certainly teach we are to obey nine of those ten. I believe they teach us to obey all Ten. What about a lesser command through Moses such as not moving our neighbors boundary marker? Are we free to do that under the New Covenant? If not, then it would behoove us to know exactly what commands given through Moses we are to obey. One cannot simply say the entire Mosaic Law is abolished, but then continue to keep many of those laws.

Interesting concerning boundaries. Each tribe was to have an allotted inheritance. But none know which tribe they are from.

 

[ralliann]

Most were likely given to keep the Hebrews healthy,
while others kept them from idolatry and other sin.
Christians should know that the one who created us
would tell us how to keep us healthy.

The healthy thing does not make sense to me. If it concerned health then poisonous plants would have been included.

 

[gadar perets]

Interesting concerning boundaries. Each tribe was to have an allotted inheritance. But none know which tribe they are from.

I believe the command is referring to an individual's boundary marker, not tribal boundary markers. If I was your neighbor today and moved your property's boundary marker, I would be breaking that command.

 

[ralliann]

I believe the command is referring to an individual's boundary marker, not tribal boundary markers. If I was your neighbor today and moved your property's boundary marker, I would be breaking that command.

But tribal inheritances were not to be removed from tribe to tribe none the less.
Nu 36:7 So shall not the inheritance of the children of Israel remove from tribe to tribe: for every one of the children of Israel shall keep himself to the inheritance of the tribe of his fathers.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The healthy thing does not make sense to me. If it concerned health then poisonous plants would have been included.

1st: Do you know anyone competent mentally who willingly will eat a poisonous plant ?

2nd: Would anyone do this TWICE ?!

3rd: I know of some who would, who will, and who do, but that's another thread I think.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Christians should know that the one who created us
would tell us how to keep us healthy.

Why do you think so few know YHWH'S WORD concerning health ?
or
Why do so few teach about this, YHWH'S WORD concerning health ?

 

[ralliann]

1st: Do you know anyone competent mentally who willingly will eat a poisonous plant ?

2nd: Would anyone do this TWICE ?!

3rd: I know of some who would, who will, and who do, but that's another thread I think.

Well there were lots of plants thought to be poisonous which were not, tomatoes for example. And there are plants that, only parts of them are edible, artichokes for example. People just did not know which were and which were not, they had to learn which were and which were not.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well there were lots of plants thought to be poisonous which were not, tomatoes for example.

Tomatoes are fatal,or cause severe reactions for some people.
Apples also, and several others, btw.

People just did not know which were and which were not, they had to learn which were and which were not.

Who did not know ?
Many have learned and pass on the knowledge.
Can YHWH teach anyone ?

Did YHWH see any one even of the Israelites eat a poison in the wilderness, or in Egypt before then, or in the Promised Land after then ?
Was His hand short, or His Promise Fail, when He Said He would Protect them and would send none of the illnesses that fall on thousands around them upon them ? (maybe with conditions, in His Word, of course)

 

[ralliann]

Tomatoes are fatal,or cause severe reactions for some people.
Apples also, and several others, btw.


Who did not know ?
Many have learned and pass on the knowledge.
Can YHWH teach anyone ?

Did YHWH see any one even of the Israelites eat a poison in the wilderness, or in Egypt before then, or in the Promised Land after then ?
Was His hand short, or His Promise Fail, when He Said He would Protect them and would send none of the illnesses that fall on thousands around them upon them ? (maybe with conditions, in His Word, of course)

Same is true for clean and unclean animals. So that is why it makes no sense for it to be about health IMO.

 

[gadar perets]

But tribal inheritances were not to be removed from tribe to tribe none the less.
Nu 36:7 So shall not the inheritance of the children of Israel remove from tribe to tribe: for every one of the children of Israel shall keep himself to the inheritance of the tribe of his fathers.

Correct, but this has nothing to do with an individual's boundary markers (landmarks) mentioned in Deut 19:14 & 27:17.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Same is true for clean and unclean animals. So that is why it makes no sense for it to be about health IMO.

Ah, as written "for lack of knowledge, MY people perish" .....

there is a lot to learn, but it must be desired, with willlingness both to joyously experientially know and to obey YHWH.

 

[ralliann]

Correct, but this has nothing to do with an individual's boundary markers (landmarks) mentioned in Deut 19:14 & 27:17.

Fine....I was just commenting concerning boundaries of tribal allotment among the tribes is all. It wasn't to discuss necessarily Deuteronomy etc. Just reminded me of the command concerning their inherited lands.