Why doesnt Jesus

[Dave Watchman]

Why doesnt Jesus know the hour except the father? Why cant he know?

I think it's related to how the restrainer has to be "taken" out of the way. He doesn't step out of the way of His own accord or at the time of His choosing.

Because He has a conflict of interest. Christ is our chief intercessor. Jesus is our high Priest in Heaven's Temple. He stepped in between humanity and God's wrath on the very day that Adam sinned. Even the wicked owe it to Him for every new day that they get to live here. But at some point He is going to be taken out of the way, and millions will die. It would seem only proper for the Father to give the nod for this.

“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
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This isn't talking about the second coming. This is talking about the first day where: "for then there will be great tribulation". Because He goes on to talk about the days BEFORE the flood:

"For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days BEFORE the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.​

Until the flood came and swept them all away.

"For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect Him.​

I think that He knows which weekend. Night comes before light. Say that it would be during our "New Years" festival holiday weekend and Jesus knew this. Sundown on the 31st begins at 4:50 PM. People will be rushing around for last minute preparations, get their case of beer, bottle of gin, Doritos and a bag of weed. And then there was the midnight cry, the most famous midnight for all the time zones of the world. But would it be at 11:55 PM on the 31st, or 12:05 AM on the next hour into the next day of the new year.

"As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept.

"But at midnight there was a cry,
‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Yarddog]

Why doesnt Jesus know the hour except the father? Why cant he know?

The point is to trust the Father.

 

[Cat Loaf You]

It is still a mystery, unknown to most.
Note HOW MUCH of a mystery in 1 Corinthians 15:51 .
Note how many think NONE of us sleep. (see? still a mystery) (and lots of false teachings everywhere practically)

No you don't understand . Mystery in bible is doctrine never revealed before . Church itself was mystery you won't see it in OT.

 

[Vicomte13]

Why doesnt Jesus know the hour except the father? Why cant he know?

Jesus may well know the hour NOW, now that he has ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He DIDN'T know the hour when he was walking around Roman Judaea, Samaria and Galilee as a divine man.

Why? He didn't know because El Elyon - the Most High God - his Father - had not yet told him.

 

[dogs4thewin]

One reason may be that if we knew we would be less likely to act and spread the gospel. If I am afraid of something or lazy and I know that it is not going to happen until a particular time I am less likely to prepare until the last minute. An example, would be in school a teacher that has test dates and has pop quizzes. If I know that I will ONLY be tested on something on a set date then I am less likely to care and work until the last minute (particularly if I do not like the subject). On the other hand, if I know that at any time I could be tested on the matercial I am more likely to stay on top of it and study as I should. Likewise, if we knew when Jesus was coming human nature says most people would not care and be less likely to share Jesus until shortly prior to His coming ( particularly in situations where there is a risk of sharing such as death or even losing Earthly support or being unpopular.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Why doesnt Jesus know the hour except the father? Why cant he know?

I dont know. Im confused.

You think that's confusing, try explaining the Trinity and Jesus not knowing, when he and God are one? Yet it is a fact, he does not know.

Maybe someone can help me with that, and hope you don't mind the bend in another direction but it does stay on topic with "confusing".

 

[Kenny'sID]

Well it just came to thought and i always wondered why so i asked

It's a good question.

If I had to guess, I'd say God simply decided to make it a policy to tell no one, so there would be no chance of people doing as they wish, then getting right at the right moment. He wanted us to live as though it could happen any time, or always act as we should. And to show how serious he was about that policy, he didn't even tell someone he knows he can trust.

In short, to know would somehow shift his intended natural order in an undesirable direction.

 

[Servantof MostHighGod]

I believe that many of us forget that Jesus was jewish. So, in the Jewish sense, what He said made sense as a human. The Jewish family would have the man provide and prepare his house. When the house was ready, then the Father would tell him to go and get his bride. Jesus is preparing homes for His people (He tells us this in John 14:1-4). So, before we go to the divine aspects, let us look at Jesus human side. He was in fact God in the flesh(we do not deny that). So, back to what I was saying: After the Father(God) had been assured that everything was in order then he would tell the son(Jesus) to go and get His Bride(rapture). So, in this sense, the Son would not know....only the Father. Jesus was in fact God in the flesh, but on this earth, He was human. He slept, He got tired, He ate(all of these the Bible tells us God does not have to do.....He never sleeps (Psalm 121:3-4). There is a lot that we do not know, but the bottom line is if Jesus said it, then just believe it. He says only the Father knows, then only the Father knows.

 

[Sola1517]

Why doesnt Jesus know the hour except the father? Why cant he know?

Maybe there isn't a specific hour, maybe it's just that there's a goal in God's mind that the church needs to accomplish. I think that the goal is to reach every tribe/tongue/nation with the Gospel. Only the Father knows when the Church will accomplish it.

I could be wrong.

 

[discipler7]

Why doesnt Jesus know the hour except the father? Why cant he know?

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Similarly for JOHN.14: = 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

A good analogy of our One and only God is our one and only sun.

The sun in outer space sends her visible light and her invisible warmth to earth to sustain mortal life.
The God in heaven sends His visible Son and His invisible Spirit to earth to sustain immortal life.

Hence, God the Father in heaven is more knowledgeable and greater than His Son on earth, even though the Son came forth from God.
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In the final chapter of God's plan for His people, God will have no more need to go through His Son(= the Son transforms back to God), ie after Judgment Day(REVELATION.20:12), His people will be able to see God in heaven face-to-face.(cf; EXODUS.33:20, JOHN.1:18 & 5:37, EZEKIEL.1 & REVELATION.4)
... At the moment, His people on earth could only see His Son and sense His Spirit, eg the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ to earth and then His Millennial Kingdom on a new earth.
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There is a great gulf between heaven and earth, because of Adam's Original Sin. ...

1CORINTHIANS.15: =
The Last Enemy Destroyed
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

 

[Deadworm]

Jennifer,
The most basic answer is that Jesus, by virtue of His incarnation, took on all our limitations, including our limitations in knowledge and power. Besides Mark 13:32, consider these 4 texts:

(1) Jesus "grew in wisdom and favor with God and humanity (Luke 2;52)."
How can Jesus grow in wisdom and favor with God, unless He was previously less wise and less in favor with God? In other words, Jesus had to prove Himself just like the rest of us and grow in knowledge just like us.

(2) Jesus "was tested in every way just as we are, yet without sin (Hebrews 4:15)."
Our tests are hard for us because of our limited knowledge. The same was true of the incarnate Jesus. It is precisely because Jesus assumed our limitations in knowledge and power that He can serve as a legitimate example for us.

(3) Jesus "learned obedience from the things He suffered (Hebrews 5:8)."
Why would Jesus need to learn obedience if He were omniscient in His human form?

(4) Jesus "could do no deeds of power there, except...(Mark 6:6)."
Then we must confront Jesus' limitations in power. Notice that Mark doesn't say that Jesus "chose not to;" rather the implication is that His efforts to heal in Nazareth had limited success because of their unbelief.

 

[Vicomte13]

You think that's confusing, try explaining the Trinity and Jesus not knowing, when he and God are one? Yet it is a fact, he does not know.

Maybe someone can help me with that, and hope you don't mind the bend in another direction but it does stay on topic with "confusing".

When Jesus says the father and I are one, think united. “We are one.” “E pluribus unum.” One in the sense of together, United, on the same wavelength. Not “identical”. A Triple-unity, not a monad.
Then it makes sense. Jesus had a God: the Father. Jesus wasn’t praying to himself.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Jesus wasn’t praying to himself.

Don't think we are allowed to discuss it but...bingo.

I figure I was skating in thin ice just offering the tid of food for thought, but just couldn't help myself.

 

[Vicomte13]

Don't think we are allowed to discuss it but...bingo.

I figure I was skating in thin ice just offering the tid of food for thought, but just couldn't help myself.

Not allowed to discuss what? The Tri-unity isn’t a monad.

 

[Jenniferdiana]

You all make good points. And what youre saying makes sense i guess. I just dont understand why he can not know that..i guess God does what he does for a reason..i just find it a bit confusing..

 

[Jenniferdiana]

And i didnt ask why we cant know, i asked why Jesus cant know..

 

[The Times]

Good question. I think that the correct answer would be to appeal to the Hypostatic Union and to say that Jesus in his humanity does not know (limited human knowledge). But Jesus in his divinity does know (divine omniscience).

So after he ascended up on high to be seated on the right hand of the Father, he would as the Alpha and Omega, as declared in his Revelation, that was given to John, that he is in Charge and in full knowledge of all things, because of the fact that he sits as the righteous judge in judging the world.

If Jesus said he did not know, then it could not hold true after he sat on the right hand of the Father, when an eternal indestructible Kingdom was given to him, as declared in Daniel 2:44, Daniel 7:13-14. The Righteous Kingly Judge cannot be ignorant of his coming, rather it is apparent that in Matthew KJV there is no mention of him not knowing, yet we find in Mark the language being used in separating him from the category of human beings and of angels, by declaring "NOT SO the Son", in other words "not the case for the Son".

When Jesus was in the world he was in an emptied of deity authority state, as the suffering servant. However within the context of the 1st Century message given to John, to write to the seven Churches, he is portrayed as the Almighty Judge, the Alpha and the Omega.

So, it could be understood that one state pleads to ignorance, yet the latter state is far from pleading to ignorance. I say, that neither state pleaded to ignorance, whether he was in the world or with the Father. To make a case for ignorance is a preposterous preposition indeed and one that I am not willing to make, in the face of Revelation Jesus Christ.

 

[The Times]

And i didnt ask why we cant know, i asked why Jesus cant know..

You really mean, why can he not know the hour of his coming, after he declared himself within the 1st Century, as the Alpha and Omega, the Almighty Judge?

You have to really ask yourself the question what is confusing me, which you are by the way, hence why the post, right?

Answer is, the preposition for the Son pleading ignorance and the reasoning behind it, simply does not exist, because there is no case for pleading ignorance, in the case of the Son not knowing the hour.

That should pretty much answer your question, that is, if a preposition is not true in the first place, then making a false preposition true, is a confusing venture indeed and one that eventually leads to failure in finding legitimate reasoning!

Do you understand friend?

 

[The Times]

I'm not too sure that I agree with you on this one. I don't think that He's talking about the end of the world. There were various other times where they tried to grab Him, or when He was avioding a trip to Jerusalem where it was written: "His hour had not yet come", or: "My hour has not yet come."

The Jewish cultural phrase of his hour had not yet come, really just implies that "his time had not yet come". In this regard context becomes everything to the accompanying phrase, because if you said his time has not yet come, then the question that begs is for what?

In the case of the wedding at Galilee, the context is his wedding day. This is a very simple context to extrapolate, in order to associate it with the phrase that his time had not yet come, when he weds his bride that is.

It really comes down to context and the reasoning behind the preposition, given the phrase is generic in use and is not unique to a specific event.

 

[Jenniferdiana]

Yeah. I guess i just like questioning and knowing and thinking about the deep things of God..but it doesnt matter if he does or doesnt know now..i just read the verse and wondered why he couldnt know the hour. Lol