Might say exaggerations.
Probably both hers and yours.
AND SLOPPY WAYS OF DESCRIBING THINGS THAT ARE "GOOD ENOUGH."
No I don't think she lied, I doubt she was that kind of person at all.
List the supposed implications and I'll deal with them one at a time.
(I suspect NONE of them is a necessary implication ...)
Well, you are the one who said
WHAT IF :
LIZ DID NOT EVEN FEEL, even feel ANYTHING IN HER BELLY
And just made up a story.
Sure sounded like you wanted to say she was lying. Claiming such a thing, and involving the Holy Spirit, when you know you didn't feel any such thing ... is a little more serious than just exaggerating.
But frankly, I believe that she meant exactly what she said and was telling the truth.
If we get to arbitrarily say that so-and-so "just made up a story" when they relate events that happen in Scripture, then you might as well throw the whole thing out, if it's so untrustworthy.
But I don't think it is.
Even if it makes uncomfortable points.
If the child John could leap on the womb for joy at hearing the Virgin Mary speak, his mother filled with the Holy Spirit as a result, and know that Mary was carrying Jesus in her womb, the implication is that John the Baptist was a person.
I've already mentioned that.
Yes, the Holy Spirit interacts with human beings.
ANOTHER DEMONSTRATION or proof THAT THERE COULD NOT BE A HUMAN BEING IN THE WOMB.
Not even an independent physical body (animal), NOT EVEN PHYSICAL BODILY ACTION let alone spiritual acting. Which is why the bit about "leaping" is so incredible, unbelievable.
NOTHING TO LEAP OVER. Something like that.
WOMBS and their contents are pretty much solid flesh - not room for air for instance, not like a balloon that is filly with air - NOTHING AIRY EVEN.
Babies can move in the womb. As you pointed out, she was not full term. No, it is not full of air, it is full of amniotic fluid.
This is faulty reasoning in an attempt to dodge what Scripture says. Again, you deny the words of a woman who - incidentally - was just filled with the Holy Spirit, who gave her supernatural revelation that the Virgin Mary carried Jesus.
CERTAINLY NOTHING OF THE HOLY GHOST OR HOLY SPIRIT.
(Except for the very peripheral fact that spirit of some sort of other may have been involved in getting her pregnant.)
Denial of Scripture again.
"leaping" is always a spirit thing?
That's why the "leaped" suggestion is begging the question. Wherever it came from.
I said no such thing. Read the Scriptures. Unless again, you think Elizabeth made it up.
Just so you know, I will not be engaging in this silliness back and forth all day. If you choose to reply, I will reply in a day or so. But this is unfruitful as your arguments deny the Scriptures, make false arguments, and set up strawmen from my words which I never said. (Don't ask me where - in the parts I reply to above.)
I'm unsure what the motive for this conversation is. If it is to justify an abortion, it is better that anyone who sins repents and deals with it so they can move on to healing. And my compassion is for any such person. If it is a true lack of understanding then I would suggest accepting what the Scriptures say. But if it is merely a desire to stir up arguments, that is a sport unworthy of a Christian, and grieving to God. Or perhaps it is something else. Be that as it may, I must limit the time spent on causes that risk simply being contentious.