Show me evidence for Noah's flood.

[joshua 1 9]

Again, your claim, which by the way, you seem to lose track of the claims you just made minutes ago.

No, I lose track of what YOU are talking about because you are so vague and not specific.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Yes God is Pro Life....<background whitenoise>

Wait, "Pro Life"??

From Murder in the Bible – Evil Bible .com :

Murder in the Bible
The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty of examples of God’s irrationality by his direct killing of many people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including the murder of women, infants, and children.

The following passages are a very small percentage of the total passages approving of murder in the Bible. They are divided here into three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders. This list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders approved of in the Bible.
​

For brevity, I'm just going to include the summary heading and verse - feel free to clickie the link above for the full version. I'm interested to see how these are "Pro Life" elements of your God..:

1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches (Exodus 22:18 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB) (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT) (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)



2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons:

Kill Brats (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

God Kills the Curious (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Killed by a Lion (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

Killing the Good Samaritan (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)



3) Murdering Children

Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

God Will Kill Children (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

Kill Men, Women, and Children (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

Kill Old Men and Young Women (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

More Rape and Baby Killing (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)



4) Miscellaneous Murders

More of Samson’s Murders (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)

Peter Kills Two People (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)

Mass Murder (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

You Have to Kill (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

The Danites Kill the Next Town (Joshua 19:47 NAB)

God Kills Some More (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)

God Promises More Killing (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)

The Angel of Death (Exodus 23:23 NAB)

Destruction of Ai (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)

Killing at Jericho (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)

God Kills an Extended Family (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)

Mass Murder(Judges 20:48 NAB)

The Angel of Death (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)

Kill Your Neighbors (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

Kill the Family of Sinners (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster’s Bible)

Kill Followers of Other Religions (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

Murder (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)

Kill All of Babylon (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

Micah Kills a Whole Town (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)​

Also (because I'm sure this'll come up...) Here's Jesus and his recommendations on how relevant all these old testament laws are now...

Every single one of the Old Testament Laws are still in effect (Matthew 5:17-20 NLT)​

 

[AV1611VET]

And now your god is a petty and petulant being because I don't (after consideration) have any evidence it exists.

No holidays where you live? no bumper stickers? no churches, statues, hymns, carols, songs, martyrs, missionaries, schools, clubs, books, Bibles, cards, or anything?

 

[AV1611VET]

Someone who sends blessing, rain and sunshine, on the just and on the UNjust,
might .

In the form of prevenient grace, yes.

But saving grace, no.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Sure. True Science will be borne out in the evidence and repeatability/continual testing, because this is how Science works. How do you determine what is True Scripture and what is false, counterfeit or forgery? Science has a method which has continually produced tangible results and self corrections, but it seems (from the tens of thousands of denominations just in Christianity alone, let alone all the abrahamic religions available) that there's no way to tell with certainty what religious writings are true and what is allegory, false, counterfeit or forgery.

You start running your race so well and then you stumble and fall. I keep repeating over and over again THAT a paradigm requires a time and a place. IF a doctor prescribes a medicine you have to know the name of the medicine and you have to know the dose. When you study the Bible you HAVE to have a time and a place. If you want to have a date with a pretty girl you have to have a time and a place where you are going to meet that girl. If you go to the wrong place you do not meet the girl. If you are early or late you will not meet the girl, she will not be there. You have to have and EXACT TIME and a EXACT PLACE.

Now lets look at Noah and Noah's flood. You have an exact time and you have an exact place. We base this on Bishop Ussher. He bases his work on over 12,000 footnotes in addition to over 2,000 Bible references. A lot of the resources that were available to Bishop Ussher in his day are no longer available to us today. Because we have the good Bishops book and we no longer need the references.

Are you following me so far? I have not lost you have I. YOU HAVE to have a time and a place. Now take Noah for example. According to Bishop Ussher on Friday October 23, 2348 BC Noah removed the cover of the Ark. We have a time and we have a place. Now we can go to history and science. WE can go to the exact same time and place to see what History and Science has to say about it. We know right away that Science tells us that the entire world was not flooded.

My wife wants something.

 

[bhsmte]

No, I lose track of what YOU are talking about because you are so vague and not specific.

More evasion.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And now your god is a petty and petulant being because I don't (after consideration) have any evidence it exists.

When you call God an "it" you yourself are providing evidence that He exists. Even if your concept is of a petty and petulant being.

I do not think it makes a difference if all we have is the concept or if the concept is true and there really is a God because I do not now if you exist and if you are real or not.

We are dealing with an antithesis. Let me explain it this way. In order to have a good guy you have to have a bad guy. You can not have super hero without super villains. When you create a concept of an evil God that means there has to be at least a concept of a super hero God.

 

[joshua 1 9]

More evasion.

I only gave so much time to work with.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

When you call God an "it" you yourself are providing evidence that He exists. Even if your concept is of a petty and petulant being.

So... if I refer to the Jabberwock, then that means it exists?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

You start running your race so well and then you stumble and fall. I keep repeating over and over again THAT a paradigm requires a time and a place. IF a doctor prescribes a medicine you have to know the name of the medicine and you have to know the dose. When you study the Bible you HAVE to have a time and a place. If you want to have a date with a pretty girl you have to have a time and a place where you are going to meet that girl. If you go to the wrong place you do not meet the girl. If you are early or late you will not meet the girl, she will not be there. You have to have and EXACT TIME and a EXACT PLACE.

Now lets look at Noah and Noah's flood. You have an exact time and you have an exact place. We base this on Bishop Ussher. He bases his work on over 12,000 footnotes in addition to over 2,000 Bible references. A lot of the resources that were available to Bishop Ussher in his day are no longer available to us today. Because we have the good Bishops book and we no longer need the references.

Are you following me so far? I have not lost you have I. YOU HAVE to have a time and a place. Now take Noah for example. According to Bishop Ussher on Friday October 23, 2348 BC Noah removed the cover of the Ark. We have a time and we have a place. Now we can go to history and science. WE can go to the exact same time and place to see what History and Science has to say about it. We know right away that Science tells us that the entire world was not flooded.

My wife wants something.

Not sure what the Bible says about when the worldwide flood happened, just that it happened and Noah had to save all the animals and his family - Science demonstrates that no worldwide flood occurred and no genetic bottleneck of anything happened around then either.... So far, so good (though not so much for the Bible Literalists).

Eagerly awaiting this explanation for where I stumble though... Also looking forward to your addressing Andrea Yates killing her kids prior to their age of reason so they go to Heaven, and how that isn't anything to do with the Bible.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In the form of prevenient grace, yes.

But saving grace, no.

Saving Grace , yes, I keep saving some in a jar in the kitchen for frequent use .... er, I mean in the prayer closet ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No holidays where you live? no bumper stickers? no churches, statues, hymns, carols, songs, martyrs, missionaries, schools, clubs, books, Bibles, cards, or anything?

Martyrs; good testimony, faithful to Jesus.

All the others; might be evidence of something false not good.

 

[HitchSlap]

No, I lose track of what YOU are talking about because you are so vague and not specific.

 

[bhsmte]

I only gave so much time to work with.

You give a lot of time to making claims. Maybe dedicated a bit to actually supporting them and actually remember what you post.

 

[ruthiesea]

Wait, "Pro Life"??

From Murder in the Bible – Evil Bible .com :

Murder in the Bible
The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty of examples of God’s irrationality by his direct killing of many people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including the murder of women, infants, and children.

The following passages are a very small percentage of the total passages approving of murder in the Bible. They are divided here into three parts: 1) Capital Punishment Crimes, 2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons, 3) Murdering Children, and 4) Miscellaneous Murders. This list is long, but it barely scratches the surface of all the murders approved of in the Bible.
​

For brevity, I'm just going to include the summary heading and verse - feel free to clickie the link above for the full version. I'm interested to see how these are "Pro Life" elements of your God..:

1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents (Proverbs 20:20 NAB) (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets (Zechariah 13:3 NAB) (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT) (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)



2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons:

Kill Brats (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

God Kills the Curious (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

Killed by a Lion (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

Killing the Good Samaritan (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)



3) Murdering Children

Kill Sons of Sinners (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

God Will Kill Children (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

Kill Men, Women, and Children (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

God Kills all the First Born of Egypt (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)

Kill Old Men and Young Women (Jeremiah 51:20-26)

(Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter. So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)

More Rape and Baby Killing (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)



4) Miscellaneous Murders

More of Samson’s Murders (Judges 15:14-15 NAB)

Peter Kills Two People (Acts 5:1-11 NLT)

Mass Murder (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

You Have to Kill (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

The Danites Kill the Next Town (Joshua 19:47 NAB)

God Kills Some More (Jeremiah 15:1-4 NLT)

God Promises More Killing (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)

The Angel of Death (Exodus 23:23 NAB)

Destruction of Ai (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)

Killing at Jericho (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)

God Kills an Extended Family (1 Kings 14:9-16 NLT)

Mass Murder(Judges 20:48 NAB)

The Angel of Death (2 Kings 19:35 NAB)

Kill Your Neighbors (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

Kill the Family of Sinners (Joshua 7:19-26 Webster’s Bible)

Kill Followers of Other Religions (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)

Murder (1 Kings 18:36-40 NLT)

Kill All of Babylon (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

Micah Kills a Whole Town (Judges 18:27-29 NLT) (Note that God approves of this slaughter in verse 6.)​

Also (because I'm sure this'll come up...) Here's Jesus and his recommendations on how relevant all these old testament laws are now...

Every single one of the Old Testament Laws are still in effect (Matthew 5:17-20 NLT)​

And yet, as told in Talmud, one death sentence every 70 years is too many. Oh yeah, and Israel has no capital punishment.

G-d values life. So, it is up to Him whether a person lives or dies for committing a sin.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

TIME for LAUNDRY? IRONING ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

G-d values life. So, it is up to Him whether a person lives or dies for committing a sin.

Did anything in the post you just quoted or in any previous post say otherwise ?

 

[joshua 1 9]

More evasion.

Wait for it, watch it to the end.

 

[bhsmte]

Wait for it, watch it to the end.

More irony and evasion.

 

[joshua 1 9]

G-d values life. So, it is up to Him whether a person lives or dies for committing a sin.

It is sort of like Harvard university. Many apply but few are chosen. To be rejected means you are in the majority. Harvard's acceptance rate is around 6%. With God it is possible His acceptance rate could be as high as one third: "In the whole land," declares the LORD, "two-thirds will be struck down and perish; yet one-third will be left in it."

Zechariah 13:9
"This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'"