Show me evidence for Noah's flood.

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So are you saying that you are sick of yourself?

Joshua, I'm starting to get sick of your attempt at psychology. If you continue like this, I will be forced to add you to my ignore list.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Ok but you still have an exact place and a exact point in time: "The snowball-Earth episodes occurred before the sudden radiation of multicellular bioforms, known as the Cambrian explosion. " wiki

You claim that the earth was NEVER covered with water and science does not agree with that. In order for a Paradigm to work you have to have an exact place and a exact point in time.

Joshua, being covered in snow is not the same as being covered in water. And also, the time frame is completely wrong for this to be the basis for the Great Flood of Noah since NO HUMAN WAS ALIVE AT THAT TIME!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Jesus set the example for us to follow. He would say: "You are in error because". We need to do as Jesus did and show people what their error is.

And yet you aren't showing anyone what their error is!

 

[Bungle_Bear]

And yet you aren't showing anyone what their error is!

He's full of wind and what appears to be hyperbole. Lots of talk, no substance.

 

[DogmaHunter]

COOL! A fantastical story !

Well, yes....
Tales of miraculous healings, the dead coming alive again, etc.... If that isn't fantastical, then what is?

Great description. Remembered 3 years old , thinking of the fantastical man coming down the chimney putting gifts under the tree.....
or 12 to 21 years old (in the neighborhood) thinking the drug pushers had a great wonderful deal ! (don't be shocked - most adults go along with this too)

Ow yea, those two are the same.

All thru life fantastical stories..... one after another.....

Uhu, uhu.

Did you also have a point, or...?

 

[DogmaHunter]

I have heard of fake news. Now you are saying science is fake?

Your claimed version of history is, is what is false.

As I also pointed out, but which you conveniently left out of the quote.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I accept Usshers book because you can not falsify his book. For me that makes it true until you can demonstrate otherwise.

LOL!

Great criteria you got there.

Here are some other books that I can't falsify:
- Harry Potter
- Star Wars
- Lord of the Rings
- The Quran
- The Bagavhad Gita
- The Iliad
- ...

So I guess you should be accepting all of them as true.

See, this is why the burden of proof is kind of important.

 

[DogmaHunter]

The only argument I have is that all true science can verify that the Bible is absolute truth.

I love how you put safeguards into the wording of that sentence.

From this statement, it follows that whenever science is not in accordance with (your interpretation) of the bible, then by definition it isn't "true science".

Newsflash bro: when your beliefs don't agree with reality, it's not reality that is wrong.......

I am not trying to argue for my opinions. I am simply showing how true and accurate the Bible is.

Actually, you're just making statements about how true and accurate the bible is. At no point are you actually demonstrating it.

I can make a bazillion of such assertions, but I understand that there's no point in doing that.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So where is your evidence that the Bible is NOT 100% accurate and true. Every attempt in that regard is simply a straw-man that goes up in a puff of smoke.

Shifting the burden of proof will not help your case. On the contrary.
Whenever someone needs to resort to "...but can you prove it is not true?", you can know that he has no positive evidence.

 

[DogmaHunter]

What you are calling a bottle neck is FAR FAR FAR from a bottleneck. The descendants of Adam and Eve in the Bible are many. The people that live on the Arab continental plate are the descendants of Abraham by either Sarah his wife or Hagar the maid of his wife. Most of he Muslims in the world today consider Abraham to be their patriarch and the DNA evidence substantiates this. I see no evidence of any sort of a bottleneck. All I see is a common ancestor.

If all arabs are descents of 1 of just 2 people a couple thousand years ago, it would result in a MASSIVE genetic bottleneck.

So massive, I might add, that biology would declare such a small population as being doomed to extinction.

And no, the DNA evidence substantiates none of this. There are no bottlenecks in human DNA for at least the last 70.000 years. And that bottleneck had human population reduced to a couple thousand.

There never were just two humans. There never were just a handfull of breeding pairs.
Human population size has never been below several thousand individuals.

 

[DogmaHunter]

What happened to a theory or hypothesis, or seeking one ? You don't any more ?

It is true you don't need one. No one does.

Without scientific theories, you would not be reading this post, because no internet nore the device you are using, would exist.

Meanwhile, the pot of water is on the stove... burner is on ... is it going to boil ?

If it reaches 100°C

Let's try another experiment.
My friend lost his leg in an accident.
If I ask a million "true christians" to pray for his leg to grow back, will it grow back?

 

[DogmaHunter]

What evidence do you have that life would be different.

No scientific theories means:
- no knowledge of atoms
- no knowledge of electro magnetism
- no knowledge of germs

Those 3 alone, would catapult all of us back to medieval times, at best.

You keep making claims but you never provide any evidence to substantiate those claims.

One would think that a person older then 8 and living in the 21st century, would understand that removing science from society, would also remove all the technologies it made possible.

 

[DogmaHunter]

That is interesting, some people say nothing is a miracle and other people say everything is a miracle.

Indeed. It would almost make one conclude that there really isn't any difference between "no miracle" and "miracle".

As if it is a meaningless term that can be attached to anything while making no difference whatsoever.

Kind of like adding "zero" to any number.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You claim that the earth was NEVER covered with water and science does not agree with that. In order for a Paradigm to work you have to have an exact place and a exact point in time.

It's called an ice age.
And the "snowball earth" refers to periods upwards of 600 million years ago.

Are you saying Noah build an arc in the pre-cambrian?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Your statement is proof that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. "And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2Timothy4:4 "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing." Luke 4:21

Your statement fulfills scripture and verifies the Bible to be accurate and true. You are doing your part to show that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. You are giving testimony to that effect.

New York exists.
Therefor, marvel is 100% true and accurate.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

That is interesting, some people say nothing is a miracle and other people say everything is a miracle.

When one takes the time to educate themselves on how reality works, then there's much less mystery to it, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

What does this have to do with the Bible. Again you do not understand what is true Bible and what is false, counterfeit or forgery.

Do you understand what is true science compared to the false, counterfeit forgery they call science?

Sure. True Science will be borne out in the evidence and repeatability/continual testing, because this is how Science works. How do you determine what is True Scripture and what is false, counterfeit or forgery? Science has a method which has continually produced tangible results and self corrections, but it seems (from the tens of thousands of denominations just in Christianity alone, let alone all the abrahamic religions available) that there's no way to tell with certainty what religious writings are true and what is allegory, false, counterfeit or forgery.

If you take the time to sift through the evidence of the trial, you'll see she was influenced quite heavily by a particular street preacher and retreated to reading the Bible quite profusely leading up to the murder of her children. She claimed on a number of occasions that she wasn't a good enough example for her children and that they were going to reach the age of reason and be condemned to Hell for her own inadequacies in not being able to live up to the standards of Heaven - so she chose to send them to Heaven while they were still children, knowing it was murder and against the law of man. <=== THIS is why 'Faith' ought to be challenged at every turn.

From: Andrea Yates case: Expert: Mom believed she was battling Satan - CNN.com

"Based on interviews and his study of the defendant's psychiatric records, Resnick said Yates believed killing her children was the only way to win her battle with Satan for her children's souls -- if she killed them while they were still under the "age of accountability," they would join God in Heaven."
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From: Mum who drowned her five kids now spends life watching happy home videos

"Her husband Rusty had always claimed that his wife's condition was due to demons, not mental health. This idea was better understood when Andrea addressed the court during the first trial claiming, "If I didn't do it, they would be tormented by Satan." She stated that she committed the act, and prayed they would all now go to heaven."​

From: Breaking News, Analysis, Politics, Blogs, News Photos, Video, Tech Reviews - TIME.com

"Dietz zeroed in. "As you drowned each one, did you think it was the right thing to be doing?" Andrea nodded yes. Dietz asked, upon drowning the kids, if she thought about heaven.

"I was praying they would go there." ​

She said she called the police because she knew the murders would be perceived as bad, despite her higher purpose."​

Given God doesn't come down here and correct everyone's special and correct (yet entirely different to everyone else's) interpretation of his Holy Text (whichever one it might be -Judaism, Christian, Islam, Mormon, etc.), how do you know her interpretation is incorrect? Was Abraham incorrect to take his Son to the Altar for sacrifice? Was Jeptha wrong to offer his daughter up as a burnt offering to God? What's the difference, and how do you know Andrea isn't right in her beliefs? Seems to me her being right with respect to scripture can't be ruled out...

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I am glad you asked. ONLY those who trust in Jesus are going to Heaven. There is NO other way to be saved. Before Jesus died at Calvary the saved people went to a place called paradise. After Jesus died they were released from Paradise.

Any evidence to support this? Jews don't agree (for the most part) and Muslims don't agree and for that matter, Hindus don't agree either. This is not an exhaustive list either by any stretch. Many more people don't accept your claim than do.

The point is that Jesus is the ONLY way to be saved and there is NO other way. If your a Muslim you need Jesus to be saved. If your Hindu you need Jesus to be saved. If your a Buddhist you need Jesus to be saved. If your Hebrew you need Jesus to be saved. There is no other way provided onto man to be saved.

So you say, these groups you mention won't agree with you though, so why should they? Do you worry about not going to Muslims Paradise? Do you worry about the consequences of not accepting Mohammed as Allah's final prophet?

IF there was any other way you would have a point, but there is no other way so your point is null and void.

You have no point either. You're just asserting your fantasies as if they were true, but sadly, it just isn't so.

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Bertrand Russell:

"And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence"​

Gene Roddenberry:

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes"​

Stephen Roberts:

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours"​

 

[bhsmte]

My wife is from the Philippines. She grew up without any of that stuff. She will tell you the most important is love not science. James 2:5 "Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?"

I do not understand your point. You are the one rejecting science here, not me.

LOL

I am rejecting science how exactly?

 

[bhsmte]

1. Science shows us how accurate and true the Bible is. So if science is so important then you should receive the witness and testimony that science gives us for the truth we find in our Bible.

We are still here waiting for you to produce evidence for this claim. Whenever you are ready.